I am a GOOD American - Page 2

05-05-2001, 04:44 PM

I am your best friend. I am a GOOD American.

I like big cars, big hooters, and big paychecks. I believe that the money I make belongs to me and my family, but I recognize that it is to my benefit if as many people as possible get fed, clothed, and get a good education, so I don’t mind having to pay taxes. I recognize that I live in a society that makes it possible for me to live so nicely, and I’m ok with giving back to that society.

I am in touch with my feelings. I know who I am. I’m not afraid of facing the truth, even when it is ugly. I don’t believe that anyone has ever died because of something that Ozzy Osbourne sang, though I recognize that children are impressionable, so I do my best to be a good role model for those who might look for me to be one. I don’t believe that owning a gun makes you a killer, though I have no problem with gun control. I think licensing handguns is a good idea that would hurt nobody but the lazy, and that if you think that licensing is the first step to confiscation, then you really don’t know what America is all about. Don’t tread on me with your ignorance.

I don’t think that being a minority makes you noble or victimized, but I recognize that this country was built in large part by slaves who paid the way for a lot of the rich families of this country. Like I said before, I’m not afraid of facing the truth, even when it is ugly. I realize that this land was stolen from the Indians who lived on it before us. I think it’s a shame when people marginalize the sacrifices that the American Indians gave up for this great country.

I believe that graduating from college is the best thing you can do for yourself, and I don’t care how you pay for it. I believe that anyone who really wants to graduate from college can… Where there’s a will, there’s a way. Don’t come crying to me because you trapped yourself in a factory job and bought a really cool car before you put a serious investment in yourself. But don’t worry, I pay taxes to help people like you if you did. And I’m more than happy to do so, sitting in my office with a view, and diplomas on the wall.

I believe that my daughter is just as smart as your son. She could probably kick his *** too, if she put her mind to it. And it will be over my dead body that you deny her of the same opportunities that your son should enjoy. This is America, and females are Americans too.

I am happy to see that President Bush is doing his weekly addresses in both English and Spanish. America is the land of the diverse, and if you can’t handle that, then you are in the wrong place. I'm against the weekly presidential radio address being in ebonics though.

I am my own hero. I don’t need to look to anyone but my God, myself, and my family for strength. I like watching television, but I’m not going to make fictional characters my heroes. You can pretend that you’re John Wayne if you want. My little son thinks that he’s a cowboy too. When he gets old enough, he’ll realize that there is no such thing as a cowboy anymore… Just farmers, and God bless them all.

I believe that every vote should count, and I’m not fooled by the results of this last election. I’ll accept it, but I believe the next time we should actually VOTE the president in. It was a tough situation, and I can see both sides. I’m not going to pretend that one side or the other was wrong or right, but I will say that the Supreme Court shouldn’t have acted so visibly biased. The solutions are out there if you bother to look for them in every instance, including this one.

You can be proud of yourself for being a BAD American if that’s what you are. I’ll choose to be proud of being a GOOD American, because that’s what I am.

California Injun · 05-05-2001, 09:45 PM

Moving from the multi-racial SoCal to the uni-racial NoCal, (except for a few Native Americans and the Chinese that helped with the gold mining trade), it will be cold day in hell before "Kalifornia" turns into the Estados de America.

But the we are 800 miles from the border so we have enough time to prepare for a formidible defense...

05-05-2001, 10:35 PM

Did you win the old KC pennant on EBay?

In response to this thread, I agree with everything Frazod (or Studio B) has said but I'm not quite as passionate on the issue as he.

Just move, Clint? Move where? To Wichita? What does that solve? Just move. Please.

As far as welfare is concerned, I guess I could easily be pulling down a check from the government, too. I have no college whatsoever. I couldn't pay for it upon graduation from high school and even if I could, I probably would have partied out....

I joined the Marine Corps, learned a trade and have made in the past 3 years almost as much money as Toney Richardson made last year. I made myself a contributing member of society and anybody on welfare that is able bodied has the same damn opportunities I had.

Tomahawk 11 · 05-05-2001, 10:49 PM

I have a friend that works for the border patrol in Arizona if anyone wants info or an application.

Fraz, switch to decaf man! I agree to an extent, but $hit!

California Injun · 05-05-2001, 10:57 PM

Phil,

No I did not. This is the 3rd or 4th time this type of pennant has been offered and the pricing went from $225 - 160 - 155.

I got a bit anxious and topped out at $110 but to no avail.

Just can't see paying over $100 for the thing but with each year the Chiefs miss the play-offs, my desire for it will increase.

It sure would look nice up in my Sports Room though...

Rick Stephens · 05-05-2001, 11:15 PM

California_Injun,

I see on E bay there is another pennant for the Kansas City Chiefs for Super Bowl 4. Is this the type of pennant that your looking for?

Frazod · 05-06-2001, 01:09 AM

Just got back from the bar - I'm a touch crocked, but will respond to various posts.

Rick: I here you about the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia and sympathize. I live in the Peoples Republic of Chicano - I mean, Chicago. I would think the only difference between Mexico and my neighborhood is that my neighborhood gets much colder in the winter and has more Mexicans in it. We've got the gang graffiti here, too, along with all the crime and BS that goes with it. This place SUCKS.

Lap Dog, you make a valid point. What to do about it is beyond me, expect perhaps putting a couple of army divisions on the border and kill anything that tries to cross it. That would be good for starters. Perhaps we could get a few more divisions to weed out all the illegals that are here now and ship them right the hell back from whence they came. That would be a good follow-up.

Phil: I started the same way, except I went in the Navy. Started with absolutely nothing and have busted my a$$ to get where I am now. No rich relatives here. If I can do it, so can they. As for the passion, if you'd lived in this sick fucking hellhole for a decade, you'd be passionate about it, too.

Tomahawk: I won't switch to decaf, but I am switching to the suburbs - 28 days until my escape. White flight - DAMN RIGHT!

And finally, Clint: I'll tell you what, on June 1, my apartment in Chicago will be vacant. Why don't you move in here so you can be with all your liberal bretheren in the land of brutal taxes, high crime and wonderful multi-lingual diversity? I'm sure you'd love it.

Actually, you'd probably run screaming back to Wichita within a week and then get a GOP elephant tattooted on your friggin forehead.

In any event, feel free to KISS MY A$$.

I'm off to bed. Goodnight to most of you.

tommykat · 05-06-2001, 01:20 AM

I'd say you had one to many Cocktails tonight. Celebrating Cinco De Mayo tonight? LOL Hope you are more civil tomorrow....

05-06-2001, 03:20 AM

Frazod. You are a racist piece of garbage, and are the real source of problems in America. You can stay though, as we need bad role models to teach our kids what not to be. Shooting mexicans? You don't deserve the freedom this great country provides you, nor do you deserve to act as though you are American nobility.

Take your 'me first' attitude and sit on it. Your ancestors immigrated here too you ignorant *******.

47mack · 05-06-2001, 06:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Taco John
Frazod. You are a racist piece of garbage, and are the real source of problems in America. You can stay though, as we need bad role models to teach our kids what not to be. Shooting mexicans? You don't deserve the freedom this great country provides you, nor do you deserve to act as though you are American nobility.

Take your 'me first' attitude and sit on it. Your ancestors immigrated here too you ignorant *******.

1. There is NO freedom in this country anymore.

2. Yes, my/our ancestors migrated here too, so why don't I/we receive the benefits that minorities and immigrants receive?

old_geezer · 05-06-2001, 07:06 AM

Just a short note as I leave for church. To all my friends and brothers of all races and colors. The fact that someone can think of themselves as better than another simply because of the color of their skin or the country they came from just blows my mind. God loves all of you the SAME, regardless of race, color, where you might live.
Are you a Good American? Do you actively seek to make this country a better place to live; or do you spend most of your time moaning and complaining about what it should be like?
This message is not directed to anyone in particular on this BB; just something I felt needed to be said. God bless;
old_geezer (Ron)

TCB · 05-06-2001, 08:00 AM

The only thing that I might add to what the old geezer just said is that it saddens me that many of you, who think that this country was put here for english speaking caucasians, have children. The message that you send to your children means that there will be one more generation of racists to drag this country down.

Fortunately some of your children will rise above your narrowminded views and hopefully put an end to the lineage of racism that you are attempting to spread.

The arrogance that is required to actually think that this country was put here just to satisfy your own personal view of "America" escapes me.

ken man

47mack · 05-06-2001, 08:17 AM

TCB

The narrow mind is the one that thinks everything is owed to people. If I think that english should be spoken at a public place in the United States, that does not make me racist. Some of my great friends are black, but I still think that minorities are given special treatment. Does that make me racist? I didn't qualify for the United Negro College Fund because I am white....is that racist? You would probably say no. You also probably think that affirmative action works.

I am proud to be American. It just so happens that I think this country is going downhill at an extreme rate of speed.

milkman · 05-06-2001, 08:27 AM

In my job I deal, and have dealt with, people of many different cultures. Some that have such a poor grasp of the English language that I can't even begin to understand them. Should I have to learn each of their languages so that I can service their acoounts better?
I don't think so. If they want to live and prosper in our country, they should have to learn the language of our country.
My grandfather was Mexican. He learned to speak English, fluently. He understood that it was his responsibilty to learn the English language in order to communicate effectively, not everyone else's to learn Spanish.

47mack · 05-06-2001, 09:01 AM

In no way do I think that immigrants need to totally conform. If they want to speak their language at home and in public, that's fine. However, if they plan on doing business here they need to be able to communicate with the spoken language.

I don't see how this makes me a bad person.

Frazod · 05-06-2001, 10:06 AM

Taco, I really don't give a damn what you think of me. And if you think my views are harsh, well, they are a direct result of living in this cesspool for 10 years and seeing first hand what many of these people are like. I've been robbed, mugged and victimized by them for far too long. I've lived in neighborhoods dominated by hispanic gangs, heard gunshots daily, seen the results of the robberies and murders. Live like that for a while and see if it doesn't darken your outlook on life a bit.

I don't hate all hispanics. If they come here legally, learn the language, become productive members of society and don't jam their culture down my throat 24/7, I have no problem with them. Believe it or not, I have friends of all sorts of ethnic backgrounds. You might be surprised to learn that I have hispanic friends who feel the same way I do. As for the "shooting" part, I don't want to shoot all Mexicans - I want our borders PROTECTED against the endless tide of illegal immigration, from all countries, not just Mexico. And I want the immigrants who are here illegally removed. There was a time when we needed hordes of immigrants, but that time has passed. We've got all the huddled masses that we need.

And yes, my ancestors immigrated here, too, although they called themselves COLONISTS at the time (with the exception of the one who came over with Lafeyette during the revolution). My right to be here was bought and paid for centuries ago. If being offended watching helplessly as the country they built is continually eroded makes me a racist in your eyes, so be it. If my thinking I have more of a right to be here than some scumbag who sneaks over the border inside a gas tank makes me a racist, so be it. If not giving a damn about a bunch of people in a foreign country that have nothing to do with me makes me a racist, so be it. Maybe if these people put their energies into improving their own damned countries, they wouldn't feel inclined to come here and steal mine.

In any event, in 27 days I'm outta here. This city and all its problems will no longer be my problem, and I'll be pretty happy about that.

05-05-2001, 04:44 PM
Taco John Guest Casino cash: $	I am your best friend. I am a GOOD American. I like big cars, big hooters, and big paychecks. I believe that the money I make belongs to me and my family, but I recognize that it is to my benefit if as many people as possible get fed, clothed, and get a good education, so I don’t mind having to pay taxes. I recognize that I live in a society that makes it possible for me to live so nicely, and I’m ok with giving back to that society. I am in touch with my feelings. I know who I am. I’m not afraid of facing the truth, even when it is ugly. I don’t believe that anyone has ever died because of something that Ozzy Osbourne sang, though I recognize that children are impressionable, so I do my best to be a good role model for those who might look for me to be one. I don’t believe that owning a gun makes you a killer, though I have no problem with gun control. I think licensing handguns is a good idea that would hurt nobody but the lazy, and that if you think that licensing is the first step to confiscation, then you really don’t know what America is all about. Don’t tread on me with your ignorance. I don’t think that being a minority makes you noble or victimized, but I recognize that this country was built in large part by slaves who paid the way for a lot of the rich families of this country. Like I said before, I’m not afraid of facing the truth, even when it is ugly. I realize that this land was stolen from the Indians who lived on it before us. I think it’s a shame when people marginalize the sacrifices that the American Indians gave up for this great country. I believe that graduating from college is the best thing you can do for yourself, and I don’t care how you pay for it. I believe that anyone who really wants to graduate from college can… Where there’s a will, there’s a way. Don’t come crying to me because you trapped yourself in a factory job and bought a really cool car before you put a serious investment in yourself. But don’t worry, I pay taxes to help people like you if you did. And I’m more than happy to do so, sitting in my office with a view, and diplomas on the wall. I believe that my daughter is just as smart as your son. She could probably kick his *** too, if she put her mind to it. And it will be over my dead body that you deny her of the same opportunities that your son should enjoy. This is America, and females are Americans too. I am happy to see that President Bush is doing his weekly addresses in both English and Spanish. America is the land of the diverse, and if you can’t handle that, then you are in the wrong place. I'm against the weekly presidential radio address being in ebonics though. I am my own hero. I don’t need to look to anyone but my God, myself, and my family for strength. I like watching television, but I’m not going to make fictional characters my heroes. You can pretend that you’re John Wayne if you want. My little son thinks that he’s a cowboy too. When he gets old enough, he’ll realize that there is no such thing as a cowboy anymore… Just farmers, and God bless them all. I believe that every vote should count, and I’m not fooled by the results of this last election. I’ll accept it, but I believe the next time we should actually VOTE the president in. It was a tough situation, and I can see both sides. I’m not going to pretend that one side or the other was wrong or right, but I will say that the Supreme Court shouldn’t have acted so visibly biased. The solutions are out there if you bother to look for them in every instance, including this one. You can be proud of yourself for being a BAD American if that’s what you are. I’ll choose to be proud of being a GOOD American, because that’s what I am.
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05-05-2001, 09:45 PM	#16
California Injun Bucs 48 Raiders 21 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: San Andreas, CA. USA Casino cash: $10004900	Moving from the multi-racial SoCal to the uni-racial NoCal, (except for a few Native Americans and the Chinese that helped with the gold mining trade), it will be cold day in hell before "Kalifornia" turns into the Estados de America. But the we are 800 miles from the border so we have enough time to prepare for a formidible defense... __________________ I just made $13,000 on the Chiefs!!! Once they win the Super Bowl I'll be counting my winnings. (13:1 @ Lake Tahoe Horizon Sportsbook).
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05-05-2001, 10:35 PM	#17
Phobia Guest Casino cash: $	Injun Did you win the old KC pennant on EBay? In response to this thread, I agree with everything Frazod (or Studio B) has said but I'm not quite as passionate on the issue as he. Just move, Clint? Move where? To Wichita? What does that solve? Just move. Please. As far as welfare is concerned, I guess I could easily be pulling down a check from the government, too. I have no college whatsoever. I couldn't pay for it upon graduation from high school and even if I could, I probably would have partied out.... I joined the Marine Corps, learned a trade and have made in the past 3 years almost as much money as Toney Richardson made last year. I made myself a contributing member of society and anybody on welfare that is able bodied has the same damn opportunities I had.
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05-05-2001, 10:49 PM	#18
Tomahawk 11 Starter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: 10-20? Casino cash: $10004900	I have a friend that works for the border patrol in Arizona if anyone wants info or an application. Fraz, switch to decaf man! I agree to an extent, but $hit! __________________ T-11. "Never mess with the bull youngman, you'll get the horns!"
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05-05-2001, 10:57 PM	#19
California Injun Bucs 48 Raiders 21 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: San Andreas, CA. USA Casino cash: $10004900	Phil, No I did not. This is the 3rd or 4th time this type of pennant has been offered and the pricing went from $225 - 160 - 155. I got a bit anxious and topped out at $110 but to no avail. Just can't see paying over $100 for the thing but with each year the Chiefs miss the play-offs, my desire for it will increase. It sure would look nice up in my Sports Room though... __________________ I just made $13,000 on the Chiefs!!! Once they win the Super Bowl I'll be counting my winnings. (13:1 @ Lake Tahoe Horizon Sportsbook).
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05-05-2001, 11:15 PM	#20
Rick Stephens #1 Chiefs Collector Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Garden Grove, California Casino cash: $10004900	California_Injun, I see on E bay there is another pennant for the Kansas City Chiefs for Super Bowl 4. Is this the type of pennant that your looking for? Last edited by Rick Stephens; 05-05-2001 at 11:18 PM..
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05-06-2001, 01:09 AM	#21
Frazod Did you hear what I said? Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $-786615	Just got back from the bar - I'm a touch crocked, but will respond to various posts. Rick: I here you about the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia and sympathize. I live in the Peoples Republic of Chicano - I mean, Chicago. I would think the only difference between Mexico and my neighborhood is that my neighborhood gets much colder in the winter and has more Mexicans in it. We've got the gang graffiti here, too, along with all the crime and BS that goes with it. This place SUCKS. Lap Dog, you make a valid point. What to do about it is beyond me, expect perhaps putting a couple of army divisions on the border and kill anything that tries to cross it. That would be good for starters. Perhaps we could get a few more divisions to weed out all the illegals that are here now and ship them right the hell back from whence they came. That would be a good follow-up. Phil: I started the same way, except I went in the Navy. Started with absolutely nothing and have busted my a$$ to get where I am now. No rich relatives here. If I can do it, so can they. As for the passion, if you'd lived in this sick fucking hellhole for a decade, you'd be passionate about it, too. Tomahawk: I won't switch to decaf, but I am switching to the suburbs - 28 days until my escape. White flight - DAMN RIGHT! And finally, Clint: I'll tell you what, on June 1, my apartment in Chicago will be vacant. Why don't you move in here so you can be with all your liberal bretheren in the land of brutal taxes, high crime and wonderful multi-lingual diversity? I'm sure you'd love it. Actually, you'd probably run screaming back to Wichita within a week and then get a GOP elephant tattooted on your friggin forehead. In any event, feel free to KISS MY A$$. I'm off to bed. Goodnight to most of you.
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05-06-2001, 01:20 AM	#22
tommykat zzzz Kats always Join Date: Mar 2001 Casino cash: $9994925	I'd say you had one to many Cocktails tonight. Celebrating Cinco De Mayo tonight? LOL Hope you are more civil tomorrow.... __________________ Take that KC helmet and just
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05-06-2001, 03:20 AM	#23
Taco John Guest Casino cash: $	Frazod. You are a racist piece of garbage, and are the real source of problems in America. You can stay though, as we need bad role models to teach our kids what not to be. Shooting mexicans? You don't deserve the freedom this great country provides you, nor do you deserve to act as though you are American nobility. Take your 'me first' attitude and sit on it. Your ancestors immigrated here too you ignorant *******.
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05-06-2001, 07:06 AM	#25
old_geezer bite me Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Windsor, Mo. Casino cash: $-2415262	Just a short note as I leave for church. To all my friends and brothers of all races and colors. The fact that someone can think of themselves as better than another simply because of the color of their skin or the country they came from just blows my mind. God loves all of you the SAME, regardless of race, color, where you might live. Are you a Good American? Do you actively seek to make this country a better place to live; or do you spend most of your time moaning and complaining about what it should be like? This message is not directed to anyone in particular on this BB; just something I felt needed to be said. God bless; old_geezer (Ron) __________________ If you can see Chuck Norris, he can see you. If you can't see Chuck Norris you may be only seconds away from death.
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05-06-2001, 08:00 AM	#26
TCB confused Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Springfild, Mo. Casino cash: $10004900	The only thing that I might add to what the old geezer just said is that it saddens me that many of you, who think that this country was put here for english speaking caucasians, have children. The message that you send to your children means that there will be one more generation of racists to drag this country down. Fortunately some of your children will rise above your narrowminded views and hopefully put an end to the lineage of racism that you are attempting to spread. The arrogance that is required to actually think that this country was put here just to satisfy your own personal view of "America" escapes me. ken man __________________ never slow down.....never grow old
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05-06-2001, 08:17 AM	#27
47mack Lonestar Chief Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Sugarland, Texas (Houston) Casino cash: $10004900	TCB The narrow mind is the one that thinks everything is owed to people. If I think that english should be spoken at a public place in the United States, that does not make me racist. Some of my great friends are black, but I still think that minorities are given special treatment. Does that make me racist? I didn't qualify for the United Negro College Fund because I am white....is that racist? You would probably say no. You also probably think that affirmative action works. I am proud to be American. It just so happens that I think this country is going downhill at an extreme rate of speed. __________________ TWB "I would never do crack... I would never do a drug named after a part of my own ass, okay?" Denis Leary.
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05-06-2001, 08:27 AM	#28
milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	In my job I deal, and have dealt with, people of many different cultures. Some that have such a poor grasp of the English language that I can't even begin to understand them. Should I have to learn each of their languages so that I can service their acoounts better? I don't think so. If they want to live and prosper in our country, they should have to learn the language of our country. My grandfather was Mexican. He learned to speak English, fluently. He understood that it was his responsibilty to learn the English language in order to communicate effectively, not everyone else's to learn Spanish. __________________
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05-06-2001, 09:01 AM	#29
47mack Lonestar Chief Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Sugarland, Texas (Houston) Casino cash: $10004900	In no way do I think that immigrants need to totally conform. If they want to speak their language at home and in public, that's fine. However, if they plan on doing business here they need to be able to communicate with the spoken language. I don't see how this makes me a bad person. __________________ TWB "I would never do crack... I would never do a drug named after a part of my own ass, okay?" Denis Leary.
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05-06-2001, 10:06 AM	#30
Frazod Did you hear what I said? Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $-786615	Taco, I really don't give a damn what you think of me. And if you think my views are harsh, well, they are a direct result of living in this cesspool for 10 years and seeing first hand what many of these people are like. I've been robbed, mugged and victimized by them for far too long. I've lived in neighborhoods dominated by hispanic gangs, heard gunshots daily, seen the results of the robberies and murders. Live like that for a while and see if it doesn't darken your outlook on life a bit. I don't hate all hispanics. If they come here legally, learn the language, become productive members of society and don't jam their culture down my throat 24/7, I have no problem with them. Believe it or not, I have friends of all sorts of ethnic backgrounds. You might be surprised to learn that I have hispanic friends who feel the same way I do. As for the "shooting" part, I don't want to shoot all Mexicans - I want our borders PROTECTED against the endless tide of illegal immigration, from all countries, not just Mexico. And I want the immigrants who are here illegally removed. There was a time when we needed hordes of immigrants, but that time has passed. We've got all the huddled masses that we need. And yes, my ancestors immigrated here, too, although they called themselves COLONISTS at the time (with the exception of the one who came over with Lafeyette during the revolution). My right to be here was bought and paid for centuries ago. If being offended watching helplessly as the country they built is continually eroded makes me a racist in your eyes, so be it. If my thinking I have more of a right to be here than some scumbag who sneaks over the border inside a gas tank makes me a racist, so be it. If not giving a damn about a bunch of people in a foreign country that have nothing to do with me makes me a racist, so be it. Maybe if these people put their energies into improving their own damned countries, they wouldn't feel inclined to come here and steal mine. In any event, in 27 days I'm outta here. This city and all its problems will no longer be my problem, and I'll be pretty happy about that.
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