Why do we suck in 2007? Blame our drafts and King Carl. Evidence can't be denied.

[BigRedChief]

I agree with most everyone here that from the 2003 LJ/Jared Allen drafts we have been doing a good job with our drafts. But we are still suffing in 2007 because of these draft years between Tony G and LJ.

2002 - Kansas City Chiefs
Rd Sel # Player Position
1 6 Ryan Sims DT
2 43 Eddie Freeman DT
4 107 Omar Easy RB
5 143 Scott Fujita OLB
7 221 Maurice Rodriguez


2001 - Kansas City Chiefs
Rd Sel # Player Position
3 75 Eric Downing DT
3 77 Snoop Minnis WR
4 107 Monty Beisel DE
4 108 George LayneRB
5 141 Billy Baber TE
5 150 Derrick Blaylock RB
6 176 Alex Sulfsted T
7 212 Shaunard Harts DB
7 243 Terdell Sands DT

2000 - Kansas City Chiefs
Rd Sel # Player Position
1 21 Sylvester Morris WR
2 54 William Bartee CB
3 85 Greg Wesley SS
4 115 Frank Moreau RB
5 153 Dante Hall RB
5 162 Pat Dennis CB
6 188 Darnell Alford T
7 208 Desmond Kitchings WR

1999 - Kansas City Chiefs
Rd Sel # Player Position
1 14 John Tait T
2 54 Mike Cloud RB
3 75 Gary Stills LB
3 84 Larry Atkins DB
4 108 Larry Parker WR
7 220 Eric King --

1998 - Kansas City Chiefs
Rd Sel # Player Position
1 27 Victor Riley T
3 88 Rashaan Shehee RB
4 120 Greg Favors ILB
5 128 Robert Williams DB
6 181 Derrick Ransom DT
7 216 Eric Warfield DB
7 224 Ernest Blackwell

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Correct. How many of those undrafted free agents have the Pats/Indy got in the last few years? There is an obvious corelation. So, we have a handful in 17 years of trying? Thats good enough to keep your job?

Also if you rememeber right Priest was brought in to be a 3rd down back not the feature back. Tony Richardson was going to be the feature back.

Yep, we got lucky with Priest, but if you keep trying it should happen once in a while. I know I was really excited when we signed him, he was a proven commodity to me.
I think we may actually have a couple UDFAs on the roster now, that could could stick. Further evidence, Herm is the best talent evaluator this team has had since Marty.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by Zouk

Actually, I didn't. He's not a consistent, physical player. He needs replacing.

then you are retart.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

You forgot about Kris Wilson.

Kris Wilson, while possibly not worth a late second round pick, has potential.

After watching the Redskins the past two seasons under Saunders, it's clear that he envisioned a "Chris Cooley" type role for Wilson. Cooley is quite effective as an H-back/tight end and had he not broken his leg in a meaningless pre-season game, he *may* have become a bigger factor by now.

[Zouk]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Kris Wilson, while possibly not worth a late second round pick, has potential.

After watching the Redskins the past two seasons under Saunders, it's clear that he envisioned a "Chris Cooley" type role for Wilson. Cooley is quite effective as an H-back/tight end and had he not broken his leg in a meaningless pre-season game, he *may* have become a bigger factor by now.

But don't we have Tony G to play the Cooley role? There's not enough room on the field for them to both work the middle.

What we really need at the fullback position is someone like the Redskins have in Mike Sellers. A 6-3 285 pound monster who can block like an extra lineman, and also catch the ball if necessary. Not someone who wets his pants at the sight of an 8 man front.

[Wile_E_Coyote]

Wilson has been the one of the most consistent playmakers on the offense

[Dayze]

Originally Posted by hawkchief

Whoopdy-freakin-doo. Carl's whiffs outnumber his hits by about 10 to 1. He's simply pathetic.

yup; exaclty.
Even a broken watch is correct twice per day.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Wile_E_Coyote

Wilson has been the one of the most consistent playmakers on the offense

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Zouk

But don't we have Tony G to play the Cooley role? There's not enough room on the field for them to both work the middle.

What we really need at the fullback position is someone like the Redskins have in Mike Sellers. A 6-3 285 pound monster who can block like an extra lineman, and also catch the ball if necessary. Not someone who wets his pants at the sight of an 8 man front.

Last I checked, Tony G is a tight end, not an H-back.

The reason Saunders wanted Wilson was to have another big bodied receiver to create mismatches.

When this happens, it works out beautifully (i.e. play number uno yesterday). The problem is Huard hadn't been looking off his receivers, nor has he had much time to do so.

Hopefully with Brodie Croyle, the ball will be spread around the field more consistently.

Only time will tell.

[Wile_E_Coyote]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

line of scrimmage outlet saving Huard's behind

[StcChief]

Originally Posted by Wile_E_Coyote

Wilson has been the one of the most consistent playmakers on the offense

pass it down whatever your smokin'

[Wile_E_Coyote]

He has one drop & one forced fumble, taking the heat Huard can't handle. sacks & fumbles

[Zouk]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Last I checked, Tony G is a tight end, not an H-back.

The reason Saunders wanted Wilson was to have another big bodied receiver to create mismatches.

When this happens, it works out beautifully (i.e. play number uno yesterday). The problem is Huard hadn't been looking off his receivers, nor has he had much time to do so.

Hopefully with Brodie Croyle, the ball will be spread around the field more consistently.

Only time will tell.

I know what position they play - my point is only that it's hard for him to run those kind of routes with Gonzalez on the team. What does Kris Wilson give us that we can't get from Michael Allan - a 7th rounder from Whitworth?

We need tougher, more physical players on offense. Wilson is part of the problem, not part of the solution.

[ChiefGator]

Total Players Drafted: 35

Players remaining on our roster from these drafts: 1
. Greg Wesley SS

Players on other teams rosters: 7

. Ryan Sims (played in no games this year)
. Scott Fujita (starts for New Orleans, third team)
. Monty Beisel (backup in Arizona)
. Terdell Sands (starts in Oakland - 3 tackles)
. Dante Hall (St. Louis)
. John Tait (starts in Chicago)
. Gary Stills ( backup in Baltimore )

Now THAT, is PRICELESS!

Of the player we drafted, I would takeStills back for special teams only, and of course, Tait. And Wesley is a good backup safety.

Terrible drafting.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by ChiefGator

Total Players Drafted: 35

Players remaining on our roster from these drafts: 1
. Greg Wesley SS

Players on other teams rosters: 7

. Ryan Sims (played in no games this year)
. Scott Fujita (starts for New Orleans, third team)
. Monty Beisel (backup in Arizona)
. Terdell Sands (starts in Oakland - 3 tackles)
. Dante Hall (St. Louis)
. John Tait (starts in Chicago)
. Gary Stills ( backup in Baltimore )

Now THAT, is PRICELESS!

Of the player we drafted, I would takeStills back for special teams only, and of course, Tait. And Wesley is a good backup safety.

Terrible drafting.

How do the King Carl defenders justify this record?

[ChiefGator]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

How do the King Carl defenders justify this record?

Beats me... About four productive players ( Hall, Tait, Wesley, and Stills) and probably only one who should be starting (Tait). That's not a good record out of 35 picks. That's around 11%.

And less than 3% of these players drafted by the Chiefs still play for the chiefs.

And 77% of them are out of football entirely!

I didn't really realize it was so bad until I started searching for each of these players in NFL rosters.

Mark