Will Grbac succeed or fail in Baltimore?... - Page 2

Chiefs Pantalones · 07-19-2001, 10:07 PM

Just curious as to what everyone thinks...

Why will he or won't he succeed, will he win over the fans, will he give Bmore back to back Championships, etc?

CG

and if no one wants to discuss this, thats fine. If you guys feel this has been beaten into the ground, I'll delete this topic, if ya'll want me too.:D

I'm a nice guy:p

stevieray · 07-20-2001, 08:10 AM

And it will sting, a little.

Fat Elvis · 07-20-2001, 08:17 AM

Personally, I hope he falls on his ***, not for his sake but for the fans. The Ravens fans have already assumed that they will repeat and are talking three-peat. They are far more annoying and less articulate than our beloved Broncos and Raiders fans. They consider, "F#%& b%#@$ mwahahaha," to be a complete sentence.:rolleyes:

KCTitus · 07-20-2001, 08:20 AM

If anyone has leared anything on this and the Star's BB, it's that those that have serious dislike for EG will determine him a failure regardless of his performance.

Realistically, if Baltimore goes back to the playoffs and they play well, win one or two playoff games with EG at the helm, he would have to be seen as successful with Baltimore.

LoudMouth · 07-20-2001, 09:13 AM

IMHO, EG does have some talent, but it is his whinny attitude and always wanting to blame other people for his mistakes that is going to keep him from ever being what he truly wants to be and that is successful. His teammates will learn this if they don’t already know it and they will not respect him for it. If your teammates do not respect their so-called leader then that leader can not be successful.

To address another matter, you do not have to cheer for and like every player on a team to be called a true fan. I consider myself a very devoted Chiefs fan, but I was against EG ever coming to Kansas City. I did not think he had what it took to be a starter and I still think that he would be better off as backup. For the sake of Baltimore I do hope that the coaches can do better job for EG then Kansas City was able to do.

KCTitus · 07-20-2001, 09:18 AM

So in short, LoudMouth, what you're saying is there's really nothing that EG can ever do that will measure success in your book because of your perception of his 'attitude'?

On a side note, how long have you personally known Elvis?

MrBlond · 07-20-2001, 09:26 AM

I think Elvis will be as successful there as he was here. Close to .500, no playoff wins, bonehead plays in the field, good stats, alienated teammates, poor clock managment, and injury-prone. IF he does succeed beyond my meager expections, the reason will be his supporting cast. After watching every game he ever played for the Chiefs I am positive about one thing: Grbac does not elevate the play of his team. He does not make those around him better or inspire confidence. If Baltimore won the Superbowl with Trent Dilfer, they certainly can win it all with Grbac. That is no testement to Grbacs talent.

Fat Elvis · 07-20-2001, 09:28 AM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by KCTitus [/i]
[B]If anyone has leared anything on this and the Star's BB, it's that those that have serious dislike for EG will determine him a failure regardless of his performance.

Realistically, if Baltimore goes back to the playoffs and they play well, win one or two playoff games with EG at the helm, he would have to be seen as successful with Baltimore. [/B][/QUOTE]

The fans and even his teammates (esp Sharpe) have said that anything less than a repeat and Elvis is considered a failure.

KCTitus · 07-20-2001, 09:35 AM

Sharpe...the perfect example of a player with a poor attitude, yet I consider him to be quite successful.

Fat Elvis: did you note the word 'Realistically'? I expect Balt fans (just like KC fans) to expect a SB win and the players to say that now, however after the season, a 'realistic' or objective review might not have such a grandiose goal to measure success.

**Baby Lee** · 07-20-2001, 09:45 AM

[quote] I think Elvis will be as successful there as he was here. Close to .500, no playoff wins, bonehead plays in the field, good stats, alienated teammates, poor clock managment, and injury-prone. IF he does succeed beyond my meager expections, the reason will be his supporting cast. After watching every game he ever played for the Chiefs I am positive about one thing: Grbac does not elevate the play of his team. He does not make those around him better or inspire confidence. If Baltimore won the Superbowl with Trent Dilfer, they certainly can win it all with Grbac. That is no testement to Grbacs talent. [/quote]

In summary, all past Chief's failures fall on Grbac's shoulders, all past Chief's successes are attributable to everyone but Grbac. Who could leave behind a fan base that can demonstrate irrefutable logic like that?

ck_IN · 07-20-2001, 10:16 AM

Don't you just love the mindset JC? And these same people label the man a traitor because he got fed up with the BS and left. I'll be curious to see how long the Green honeymoon lasts. Since I'm seeing a 6-10 season, I'm betting boos will rain by midyear.

As was said earlier if you solely define sucess by a SB win, than 30 of the 31 QB's 'suck' every year. Since he <b>finally</b> has a coach with a clue on offense, a RB to help him and a decent defense to back him up I expect EG to be a sucess. I'm guessing something around 3000+ yards and a deep run in the playoffs is in the offing.
Will he and Balt win the SB? I don't know but I wouldn't bet against them. And if he does will he direct an 'up yours' to KC? I wouldn't blame him if he did.

Mark M · 07-20-2001, 10:27 AM

Titus--
(sniff ... sniff)
Methinks I smell a Packfan in LoudMouth. Be careful. ;)

The fact is, people who hate Grbac always will. Some that liked him no longer will now that he's gone. If he wins it all they will say he got lucky, if he loses they will say I told you so.

I find the question of his success in Bmore interesting enough to comment upon, but when all is said and done I could honestly care less. I'm a fan of the Chiefs, not of individual players.

MM
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Clint in Wichita · 07-20-2001, 10:27 AM

Keep in mind that the Raven offense was absolutely pathetic last year, up to and including the postseason. Trent Dilfer was asked not to lose games, and he didn't.

Grbac, on the other hand, has made a habit of going out and LOSING games that were within KC's grasp...and with offensive weapons that were superior to Baltimore's last year, and will be again this year.

Billick may be a great offensive mind, but clearly Al Saunders is as forward-thinking as any offensive mind in the NFL, and he just might have the talent to do most of what he wants...Billick does not. If BB opens up the playbook because of his new "star" QB's so-called talent, he will be making a huge mistake, and will quickly crawl back into the offensive shell he was in all of last year.

I personally think that Grbac will become very, very average at best. (23-24 TDs, 15-16 INTs, 3,300 yds.) Trent Green, if healthy, will blow him out of the water mentally, physically, and statistically.

IMO Dilfer is just as physically talented as Grbac, and much more intelligent. If KC had signed him instead of Green, I'd still consider it an upgrade.

Clint in Wichita · 07-20-2001, 10:38 AM

The Grbashers were right, and the Grbackers were dead wrong. IMO Elvis' absence in KC proves this.

If EG was as good as some seem to think he is, CP would've coughed up the money. After all, no skilled GM would let a "franchise" QB just walk. Some say the fans drove him out of town, but if that's the case, he's a head case. Donovan McNabb was booed mercilessly by Philly fans (probably the toughest fans in the country in ALL sports) after being drafted, but won them over with his skill and leadership. IMO KC fans are no harder on their local athletes than Philly. No one is. They booed Mike Schmidt (SP?) for God's sake!

Either Grbac is not as good as advertised, or Carl Peterson is a total moron letting a "bada$$" QB leave a QB-starved team.

milkman · 07-20-2001, 10:47 AM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Clint in Wichita [/i]
[B]Either Grbac is not as good as advertised, or Carl Peterson is a total moron letting a "bada$$" QB leave a QB-starved team. [/B][/QUOTE]

The answer lies somewhere in the middle.
Grbac was neither as good as the GrBackers believed, nor as bad as the GrBashers proclaimed.
And CP isn't a [COLOR=skyblue]total[/COLOR] moron.

The question, for me, remains, why is CP still here?

KCTitus · 07-20-2001, 10:53 AM

Im allways interested in that assertion, Clint. Right about what? Wrong about what?

Any skilled GM would not endanger the entire teams future for one person, nor would any skilled GM pay the ridiculous contract that Grbac was demanding. It's a nice circular reasoning, I see you've learned from Ken well.

I think you should acknowledge that there is nothing Grbac will ever do, including winning a SB this coming season, that would cause you to give him credit for anything.

07-19-2001, 10:07 PM
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07-20-2001, 08:10 AM	#16
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07-20-2001, 08:17 AM	#17
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07-20-2001, 08:20 AM	#18
KCTitus Archivist Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: The Ethernet Casino cash: $9882732	If anyone has leared anything on this and the Star's BB, it's that those that have serious dislike for EG will determine him a failure regardless of his performance. Realistically, if Baltimore goes back to the playoffs and they play well, win one or two playoff games with EG at the helm, he would have to be seen as successful with Baltimore. __________________ Anything you post on this BB can and will be used against you...
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07-20-2001, 09:13 AM	#19
LoudMouth Rookie Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Wichita Casino cash: $10004900	IMHO, EG does have some talent, but it is his whinny attitude and always wanting to blame other people for his mistakes that is going to keep him from ever being what he truly wants to be and that is successful. His teammates will learn this if they don’t already know it and they will not respect him for it. If your teammates do not respect their so-called leader then that leader can not be successful. To address another matter, you do not have to cheer for and like every player on a team to be called a true fan. I consider myself a very devoted Chiefs fan, but I was against EG ever coming to Kansas City. I did not think he had what it took to be a starter and I still think that he would be better off as backup. For the sake of Baltimore I do hope that the coaches can do better job for EG then Kansas City was able to do. __________________ Don't press your luck!
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07-20-2001, 09:18 AM	#20
KCTitus Archivist Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: The Ethernet Casino cash: $9882732	So in short, LoudMouth, what you're saying is there's really nothing that EG can ever do that will measure success in your book because of your perception of his 'attitude'? On a side note, how long have you personally known Elvis? __________________ Anything you post on this BB can and will be used against you...
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07-20-2001, 09:26 AM	#21
MrBlond Lets Rock. Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: South of the border. Casino cash: $10004900	I think Elvis will be as successful there as he was here. Close to .500, no playoff wins, bonehead plays in the field, good stats, alienated teammates, poor clock managment, and injury-prone. IF he does succeed beyond my meager expections, the reason will be his supporting cast. After watching every game he ever played for the Chiefs I am positive about one thing: Grbac does not elevate the play of his team. He does not make those around him better or inspire confidence. If Baltimore won the Superbowl with Trent Dilfer, they certainly can win it all with Grbac. That is no testement to Grbacs talent. __________________ "I can handle things, I'm smart, not like everybody says, like dumb, I'm smart, and I want respect!"
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07-20-2001, 09:28 AM	#22
Fat Elvis Sexiest Athlete Join Date: Apr 2001 Casino cash: $-2048075	[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by KCTitus [/i] [B]If anyone has leared anything on this and the Star's BB, it's that those that have serious dislike for EG will determine him a failure regardless of his performance. Realistically, if Baltimore goes back to the playoffs and they play well, win one or two playoff games with EG at the helm, he would have to be seen as successful with Baltimore. [/B][/QUOTE] The fans and even his teammates (esp Sharpe) have said that anything less than a repeat and Elvis is considered a failure.
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07-20-2001, 09:35 AM	#23
KCTitus Archivist Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: The Ethernet Casino cash: $9882732	Sharpe...the perfect example of a player with a poor attitude, yet I consider him to be quite successful. Fat Elvis: did you note the word 'Realistically'? I expect Balt fans (just like KC fans) to expect a SB win and the players to say that now, however after the season, a 'realistic' or objective review might not have such a grandiose goal to measure success. __________________ Anything you post on this BB can and will be used against you...
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07-20-2001, 09:45 AM	#24
Baby Lee Supporter Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $8028275	[quote] I think Elvis will be as successful there as he was here. Close to .500, no playoff wins, bonehead plays in the field, good stats, alienated teammates, poor clock managment, and injury-prone. IF he does succeed beyond my meager expections, the reason will be his supporting cast. After watching every game he ever played for the Chiefs I am positive about one thing: Grbac does not elevate the play of his team. He does not make those around him better or inspire confidence. If Baltimore won the Superbowl with Trent Dilfer, they certainly can win it all with Grbac. That is no testement to Grbacs talent. [/quote] In summary, all past Chief's failures fall on Grbac's shoulders, all past Chief's successes are attributable to everyone but Grbac. Who could leave behind a fan base that can demonstrate irrefutable logic like that?
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07-20-2001, 10:16 AM	#25
ck_IN Feels so good. Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Don't you just love the mindset JC? And these same people label the man a traitor because he got fed up with the BS and left. I'll be curious to see how long the Green honeymoon lasts. Since I'm seeing a 6-10 season, I'm betting boos will rain by midyear. As was said earlier if you solely define sucess by a SB win, than 30 of the 31 QB's 'suck' every year. Since he <b>finally</b> has a coach with a clue on offense, a RB to help him and a decent defense to back him up I expect EG to be a sucess. I'm guessing something around 3000+ yards and a deep run in the playoffs is in the offing. Will he and Balt win the SB? I don't know but I wouldn't bet against them. And if he does will he direct an 'up yours' to KC? I wouldn't blame him if he did. __________________ As sweet as Tupelo Honey
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07-20-2001, 10:27 AM	#26
Mark M What time is it? Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: You tell me ... Casino cash: $9884900	Titus-- (sniff ... sniff) Methinks I smell a Packfan in LoudMouth. Be careful. ;) The fact is, people who hate Grbac always will. Some that liked him no longer will now that he's gone. If he wins it all they will say he got lucky, if he loses they will say I told you so. I find the question of his success in Bmore interesting enough to comment upon, but when all is said and done I could honestly care less. I'm a fan of the Chiefs, not of individual players. MM ~~Believes he has spotted a troll in Chiefs clothing ... __________________ ChiefsPlanet -- n. The place where brilliant minds assemble to willfully pool ignorance with questionable logic in order to reach absurd conclusions.
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07-20-2001, 10:27 AM	#27
Clint in Wichita Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Keep in mind that the Raven offense was absolutely pathetic last year, up to and including the postseason. Trent Dilfer was asked not to lose games, and he didn't. Grbac, on the other hand, has made a habit of going out and LOSING games that were within KC's grasp...and with offensive weapons that were superior to Baltimore's last year, and will be again this year. Billick may be a great offensive mind, but clearly Al Saunders is as forward-thinking as any offensive mind in the NFL, and he just might have the talent to do most of what he wants...Billick does not. If BB opens up the playbook because of his new "star" QB's so-called talent, he will be making a huge mistake, and will quickly crawl back into the offensive shell he was in all of last year. I personally think that Grbac will become very, very average at best. (23-24 TDs, 15-16 INTs, 3,300 yds.) Trent Green, if healthy, will blow him out of the water mentally, physically, and statistically. IMO Dilfer is just as physically talented as Grbac, and much more intelligent. If KC had signed him instead of Green, I'd still consider it an upgrade.
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07-20-2001, 10:38 AM	#28
Clint in Wichita Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	The Grbashers were right, and the Grbackers were dead wrong. IMO Elvis' absence in KC proves this. If EG was as good as some seem to think he is, CP would've coughed up the money. After all, no skilled GM would let a "franchise" QB just walk. Some say the fans drove him out of town, but if that's the case, he's a head case. Donovan McNabb was booed mercilessly by Philly fans (probably the toughest fans in the country in ALL sports) after being drafted, but won them over with his skill and leadership. IMO KC fans are no harder on their local athletes than Philly. No one is. They booed Mike Schmidt (SP?) for God's sake! Either Grbac is not as good as advertised, or Carl Peterson is a total moron letting a "bada$$" QB leave a QB-starved team.
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07-20-2001, 10:47 AM	#29
milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Clint in Wichita [/i] [B]Either Grbac is not as good as advertised, or Carl Peterson is a total moron letting a "bada$$" QB leave a QB-starved team. [/B][/QUOTE] The answer lies somewhere in the middle. Grbac was neither as good as the GrBackers believed, nor as bad as the GrBashers proclaimed. And CP isn't a [COLOR=skyblue]total[/COLOR] moron. The question, for me, remains, why is CP still here? __________________
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07-20-2001, 10:53 AM	#30
KCTitus Archivist Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: The Ethernet Casino cash: $9882732	Im allways interested in that assertion, Clint. Right about what? Wrong about what? Any skilled GM would not endanger the entire teams future for one person, nor would any skilled GM pay the ridiculous contract that Grbac was demanding. It's a nice circular reasoning, I see you've learned from Ken well. I think you should acknowledge that there is nothing Grbac will ever do, including winning a SB this coming season, that would cause you to give him credit for anything. __________________ Anything you post on this BB can and will be used against you...
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