Parity Beneficiaries - Page 2

KCJohnny · 07-20-2001, 04:56 PM

Since the '98 season, parity has made the NFL conventional wisdom arcane. Teams with losing records the year prior are regularly advancing to the Conference championships and even the SB, even WINNING the SB.

Who picked the Titans, Rams, G-men and Ravens? NONE of us. Only the Giants had a winning season prior to their SB run (9-7?).

Losers get a soft schedule and high draft picks and seem to be competing with alarming regularity (no, sorry Bengals fans, the nightmare must go on for you...).

Who are this year's beneficiaries of the parity regime?
Bears? Steelers? Cards? Bolts? Pats? 49ers? Chiefs?

There IS no conventional wisdom established in this new category, so let's predict the impossible.

I say the Bolts could go 11-5 and the Steelers could go 13-3.

Stranger things have happened...

...your take?

KCJ:confused:

**The Bad Guy** · 07-21-2001, 02:46 PM

Johnny,

How are they dynasties when they never won a championship?

To become a dynasty in sports, you need to be like the 90's 49ers, and Cowboys. Or in the NBA, the 90's Chicago Bulls.

Winning championships is what it is all about.

The Chiefs and the Jazz are not in the same class as those teams in the 90s.

gh4chiefs · 07-21-2001, 03:31 PM

For Pete's sake guys, lighten up! I was the one who used the term "dynasty" and all I meant was the Chiefs were a winning team that returned to the playoffs year after year during the 90's.

I find it amazing that there are so many people on this board willing to start an argument over the silliest things.

KCJohnny · 07-21-2001, 04:05 PM

Gary,
Welcome to the Planet.
What you have just encountered is the PPL, or, Planet Party Line.
Dissent is strongly discouraged here. The cardinal sin is to speak affirmingly of anything the Chiefs did right before Dick Vermiel came to save us from ourselves.

You'll catch on.

Hang in there, bro!
KCJ
Human bull's eye:)

keg in kc · 07-21-2001, 04:14 PM

John, enough with that crap already. There's no great conspiracy just because people might happen to have a different opinion than you do and aren't afraid to voice it. There's a heck of a lot of argument here about a lot of things, football and otherwise, and in fact you're probably one of the loudest barriers to open discussion because you tend to whine and shout "FOUL! Planet Party Line! FOUL!" whenever someone marches to the beat of a drum other than yours. You know, your constant "nobody listens to me" attitude when your own ears are closed more times than not...

This is just like the real world, not everyone agrees but we do our best to coexist.

Show a little respect, man. We're all just as entitled to our opinions (and they vary widely I should add) as you are. ;)

Otter · 07-21-2001, 04:21 PM

John,

Actually, I was one game away from winning $1500 last season through a super bowl prediction bet.

I picked Baltimore and Minnesota to go to the big game.

I consider myself part of the planet so “NONE of us” doesn’t quite fly.

Just an FYI ;)

milkman · 07-21-2001, 04:31 PM

Johnny,
Just because just about everyone disagrees with about 99% of the time doesn't mean that's there's a planet party line.
It just means that you are wrong about 99% of the time.

Sometimes the easiest answers are the right answers.

**The Bad Guy** · 07-21-2001, 04:34 PM

Proctor is pulling this public enemy #1 garbage because he thinks people actually set out to disagree with his points.

Wake up to reality Proctor. People disagree with your opinions because they are far-fetched sometimes, not because you don't agree with the party-line.

You will be hard-pressed to find a pack of people who will defend Jimmy Raye, Gunther Cunningham, RBBC, Kurt Schottenheimer, or Willie Shaw like you did, or continue to do.

I refuse to defend mediocrity. And because I refuse to do so, that makes me part of the Chiefs party line?

Please.

You called the Chiefs a dynasty, which is wrong. Dynasties aren't made in the regular season, but the playoffs.

Your it's me against the board routine is old.

KCJohnny · 07-21-2001, 07:26 PM

I didn't mention any names, but a few of you have come forward to defend the PPL. LOL!

Funny!

Otter: You get a bye. Care to pick this year's Cinderella?

KCJ
Self-pitying, barrier ercting egomaniac

keg in kc · 07-21-2001, 07:34 PM

Funny that you would say that John, when Frank, Milkman and myself disagree on a number of things. Ask Red Eyes and myself what we think of the Vermeil hiring and see what sort of answer you get...

You might not know that because you rarely (apparently) pay attention to any thread that you don't start or doesn't deal with Marty or Gunther. Maybe you do, and just don't post, but either way, you don't seem to participate in much outside of your own threads, religious threads, and Marty/Gunther/martyball threads.

We may all not think Marty was the greatest thing since sliced bread, but I don't think that's because of any party line. I didn't respect Marty for years before I came to Kansas City because this team always choked in the playoffs. Remember I only got on-board two years ago and was never followed the team closely when Marty was here. But, again, what I did know was that KC just didn't get it done in the playoffs, and I attributed that to head coaching decisions at the time (and still do).

Kind of hard to call me a part of any party line...

I'm being polite, John, but this sort of behavior is what costs you credibility in my eyes. You talk about opinions but seem to respect none but your own. You talk but don't listen, and do everything you can to devalue and/or deflate the beliefs of other folks by simply ignoring them or dismissing them out of hand.

Zebedee DuBois · 07-21-2001, 07:39 PM

We had a party line when I was a kid.... great for eavesdropping on the neighbors.

Zeb,
feeling nonconformist tonight. ;)

Chiefs Pantalones · 07-21-2001, 08:18 PM

90s Chiefs a dynasty?!?!? LOL!!!!:eek: :D

Geez, Proc, you must love mediocrity! I have never seen or heard anyone say that they think any team that doesn't win when it counts, but successful when it counts the least (regular season) a dynasty!!! That is hilarious!!!!!!!!:D :D

Gee, I hope the Chiefs are 7-9, 9-7 for the rest of eternity, and never win the Super Bowl!! Then they would not be a dynasty, but the best team of all time!!!!!:rolleyes: :D

CG

is glad he is not a GM or HC or owner, or everything/anything that has to do with any organization for the NFL, etc.

no wonder you love Marty and co. so much

Chiefs Pantalones · 07-21-2001, 08:33 PM

I'm sorry, but I'm still laughing!!!!:D :D :D

That is the first time I have ever heard a team, in any sport, be called a dynasty, without winning ANY championships!!!:D :D

CG

Low standards? I think so.

Its not your fault though, Proc, if it weren't for Marty or Jerry Sloan, your mind would not be so flooded with "best record, but no championships? YES!!!! whoohoo!"

:D

gh4chiefs · 07-21-2001, 10:18 PM

Ok guys, call the word police. :rolleyes: FORGIVE me for using the word dynasty. I mispoke, OK? Can we just drop it already and I promise to be more careful in my selection of words in the future.

Now back to the point, I don't like parity because as a Chiefs fan I feel I was the beneficiary being a fan of a team that was (insert whatever phrase you feel appropriate here) during the 90's. They were a good team, unfortunately not a championship team. But for the better part of the 90's, you could count on them to be in the playoffs and to win more games than they lost, unlike a lot of other teams who were losers year in and year out.

Now with the parity stuff, these said losers are suddenly SB champs and the Chiefs are falling down along with the losers and it sucks!

Chiefs Pantalones · 07-21-2001, 10:44 PM

You gotta have faith, gh!

Our time will come, don't worry. And I believe that we have a better shot at the big one with this staff than with any other staff we have had in the past.

CG

thinks IT could be right around the corner, keep the faith, gh!;) :)

California Injun · 07-21-2001, 11:43 PM

If the Jazz were a dynasty, then what does that make the Lakers (13 rings and counting) and the Celtics (16 rings)?

Maybe you were confusing "Dynasty" with "Dinosaurs" (aka Stockton and Malone)?

07-20-2001, 04:56 PM
KCJohnny Blind, deceived homer Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Maryland, USA Casino cash: $10004900	Parity Beneficiaries Since the '98 season, parity has made the NFL conventional wisdom arcane. Teams with losing records the year prior are regularly advancing to the Conference championships and even the SB, even WINNING the SB. Who picked the Titans, Rams, G-men and Ravens? NONE of us. Only the Giants had a winning season prior to their SB run (9-7?). Losers get a soft schedule and high draft picks and seem to be competing with alarming regularity (no, sorry Bengals fans, the nightmare must go on for you...). Who are this year's beneficiaries of the parity regime? Bears? Steelers? Cards? Bolts? Pats? 49ers? Chiefs? There IS no conventional wisdom established in this new category, so let's predict the impossible. I say the Bolts could go 11-5 and the Steelers could go 13-3. Stranger things have happened... ...your take? KCJ:confused:
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07-21-2001, 02:46 PM	#16
The Bad Guy Scott Pioli Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Copacobana Casino cash: $9273645	Johnny, How are they dynasties when they never won a championship? To become a dynasty in sports, you need to be like the 90's 49ers, and Cowboys. Or in the NBA, the 90's Chicago Bulls. Winning championships is what it is all about. The Chiefs and the Jazz are not in the same class as those teams in the 90s. __________________
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07-21-2001, 03:31 PM	#17
gh4chiefs Regular Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Jefferson City, MO Casino cash: $-846408	For Pete's sake guys, lighten up! I was the one who used the term "dynasty" and all I meant was the Chiefs were a winning team that returned to the playoffs year after year during the 90's. I find it amazing that there are so many people on this board willing to start an argument over the silliest things. __________________ Gary
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07-21-2001, 04:05 PM	#18
KCJohnny Blind, deceived homer Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Maryland, USA Casino cash: $10004900	Gary, Welcome to the Planet. What you have just encountered is the PPL, or, Planet Party Line. Dissent is strongly discouraged here. The cardinal sin is to speak affirmingly of anything the Chiefs did right before Dick Vermiel came to save us from ourselves. You'll catch on. Hang in there, bro! KCJ Human bull's eye:) __________________
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07-21-2001, 04:14 PM	#19
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	John, enough with that crap already. There's no great conspiracy just because people might happen to have a different opinion than you do and aren't afraid to voice it. There's a heck of a lot of argument here about a lot of things, football and otherwise, and in fact you're probably one of the loudest barriers to open discussion because you tend to whine and shout "FOUL! Planet Party Line! FOUL!" whenever someone marches to the beat of a drum other than yours. You know, your constant "nobody listens to me" attitude when your own ears are closed more times than not... This is just like the real world, not everyone agrees but we do our best to coexist. Show a little respect, man. We're all just as entitled to our opinions (and they vary widely I should add) as you are. ;)
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07-21-2001, 04:31 PM	#21
milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	Johnny, Just because just about everyone disagrees with about 99% of the time doesn't mean that's there's a planet party line. It just means that you are wrong about 99% of the time. Sometimes the easiest answers are the right answers. __________________
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07-21-2001, 04:34 PM	#22
The Bad Guy Scott Pioli Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Copacobana Casino cash: $9273645	Proctor is pulling this public enemy #1 garbage because he thinks people actually set out to disagree with his points. Wake up to reality Proctor. People disagree with your opinions because they are far-fetched sometimes, not because you don't agree with the party-line. You will be hard-pressed to find a pack of people who will defend Jimmy Raye, Gunther Cunningham, RBBC, Kurt Schottenheimer, or Willie Shaw like you did, or continue to do. I refuse to defend mediocrity. And because I refuse to do so, that makes me part of the Chiefs party line? Please. You called the Chiefs a dynasty, which is wrong. Dynasties aren't made in the regular season, but the playoffs. Your it's me against the board routine is old. __________________
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07-21-2001, 07:26 PM	#23
KCJohnny Blind, deceived homer Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Maryland, USA Casino cash: $10004900	This is hilarious! I didn't mention any names, but a few of you have come forward to defend the PPL. LOL! Funny! Otter: You get a bye. Care to pick this year's Cinderella? KCJ Self-pitying, barrier ercting egomaniac __________________
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07-21-2001, 07:34 PM	#24
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	Funny that you would say that John, when Frank, Milkman and myself disagree on a number of things. Ask Red Eyes and myself what we think of the Vermeil hiring and see what sort of answer you get... You might not know that because you rarely (apparently) pay attention to any thread that you don't start or doesn't deal with Marty or Gunther. Maybe you do, and just don't post, but either way, you don't seem to participate in much outside of your own threads, religious threads, and Marty/Gunther/martyball threads. We may all not think Marty was the greatest thing since sliced bread, but I don't think that's because of any party line. I didn't respect Marty for years before I came to Kansas City because this team always choked in the playoffs. Remember I only got on-board two years ago and was never followed the team closely when Marty was here. But, again, what I did know was that KC just didn't get it done in the playoffs, and I attributed that to head coaching decisions at the time (and still do). Kind of hard to call me a part of any party line... I'm being polite, John, but this sort of behavior is what costs you credibility in my eyes. You talk about opinions but seem to respect none but your own. You talk but don't listen, and do everything you can to devalue and/or deflate the beliefs of other folks by simply ignoring them or dismissing them out of hand.
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07-21-2001, 07:39 PM	#25
Zebedee DuBois Veteran Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: floating in a tin can Casino cash: $-1914801	We had a party line when I was a kid.... great for eavesdropping on the neighbors. Zeb, feeling nonconformist tonight. ;) __________________ What am I even doing here?
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07-21-2001, 08:18 PM	#26
Chiefs Pantalones GO CHIEFS!!!!!! Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $6868717	90s Chiefs a dynasty?!?!? LOL!!!!:eek: :D Geez, Proc, you must love mediocrity! I have never seen or heard anyone say that they think any team that doesn't win when it counts, but successful when it counts the least (regular season) a dynasty!!! That is hilarious!!!!!!!!:D :D Gee, I hope the Chiefs are 7-9, 9-7 for the rest of eternity, and never win the Super Bowl!! Then they would not be a dynasty, but the best team of all time!!!!!:rolleyes: :D CG is glad he is not a GM or HC or owner, or everything/anything that has to do with any organization for the NFL, etc. no wonder you love Marty and co. so much __________________ Don't be fooled by my username, I'm white.
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07-21-2001, 08:33 PM	#27
Chiefs Pantalones GO CHIEFS!!!!!! Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $6868717	I'm sorry, but I'm still laughing!!!!:D :D :D That is the first time I have ever heard a team, in any sport, be called a dynasty, without winning ANY championships!!!:D :D CG Low standards? I think so. Its not your fault though, Proc, if it weren't for Marty or Jerry Sloan, your mind would not be so flooded with "best record, but no championships? YES!!!! whoohoo!" :D __________________ Don't be fooled by my username, I'm white.
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07-21-2001, 10:18 PM	#28
gh4chiefs Regular Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Jefferson City, MO Casino cash: $-846408	Ok guys, call the word police. :rolleyes: FORGIVE me for using the word dynasty. I mispoke, OK? Can we just drop it already and I promise to be more careful in my selection of words in the future. Now back to the point, I don't like parity because as a Chiefs fan I feel I was the beneficiary being a fan of a team that was (insert whatever phrase you feel appropriate here) during the 90's. They were a good team, unfortunately not a championship team. But for the better part of the 90's, you could count on them to be in the playoffs and to win more games than they lost, unlike a lot of other teams who were losers year in and year out. Now with the parity stuff, these said losers are suddenly SB champs and the Chiefs are falling down along with the losers and it sucks! __________________ Gary Last edited by gh4chiefs; 07-22-2001 at 08:12 AM..
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07-21-2001, 10:44 PM	#29
Chiefs Pantalones GO CHIEFS!!!!!! Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $6868717	You gotta have faith, gh! Our time will come, don't worry. And I believe that we have a better shot at the big one with this staff than with any other staff we have had in the past. CG thinks IT could be right around the corner, keep the faith, gh!;) :) __________________ Don't be fooled by my username, I'm white.
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07-21-2001, 11:43 PM	#30
California Injun Bucs 48 Raiders 21 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: San Andreas, CA. USA Casino cash: $10004900	If the Jazz were a dynasty, then what does that make the Lakers (13 rings and counting) and the Celtics (16 rings)? Maybe you were confusing "Dynasty" with "Dinosaurs" (aka Stockton and Malone)? __________________ I just made $13,000 on the Chiefs!!! Once they win the Super Bowl I'll be counting my winnings. (13:1 @ Lake Tahoe Horizon Sportsbook).
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