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Old 12-17-2007, 11:14 AM  
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Explain to me why we need to give Herm more time
After seeing my worst fears come true in Herm with the Jetsification of the Chiefs (a top 5 draft pick) and the destruction of a team. I wonder in this microwave world of instant gratification how is it we cling to the notion 2 years doesn't set a trend especially giving his previous body of work. So I thought well surely 2 years must be handed out like candy in the past to any head coach and then it occurred to me to check the Chiefs history to confirm this.

Chiefs Head Coaches with shortest tenures:

Tom Bettis - 1977
Frank Gansz - 1987-1988
Gunther Cunningham - 1999-2000
Paul Wiggin - 1975-1977
John Mackovic - 1983-1986

Thats half of the Chiefs Head Coaches in the history of this team. 3 of them are 2 years or less. So in the present world why not cut ties with Herm. Actually excluding Herm 33% of Chiefs coaches have had a tenure of 2 years or less. And yes I know Bettis is a bad choice. Still 2 years of Herm like performance has cost coaches their jobs in the past.

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Old 12-17-2007, 11:32 AM   #16
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Could someone give me ONE LEGITIMATE REASON why Bill Cowher would take a job here?

He left one of the best jobs in the NFL, fresh off a SB win, to be closer to his family.

One reason?
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Old 12-17-2007, 11:34 AM   #17
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Cowher is basically a pipe dream.....

I'd wanna talk to whoever is Pioli's right hand man in NE is and see if we could hire him. That person has been in a successful organization and sees how things are done properly. Then go from there.

For a coach?

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Old 12-17-2007, 11:35 AM   #18
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I like that alternative.

But Cowher won't be back coaching next season. I also think if you know a rebuild or retooling or whatever is necessary you give your HC three years.

Herm/Carl get their three years and if/when it doesn't work Cowher's ready to come back with a ton of say in player/personel and city more than happy to have him. Timing.
On paper I like the "three year rule", but in its application to KC it just stinks. Why give Carl/Herm another year of draftees and free agents when a new GM and coach will come around in 2009?
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Old 12-17-2007, 11:35 AM   #19
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He's just frankly the wrong guy, his idea of wanting to draft, get young and build the team is right in theory but his idea of how to do it and how to play is wrong.
100% Correct.

Seriously this comment should be sent to all the "Give Herm a chance to build his own team" crowd.
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Old 12-17-2007, 11:35 AM   #20
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For a coach?

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Oh no, it starts at GM, then you see who he likes as coach.
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Old 12-17-2007, 11:36 AM   #21
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Could someone give me ONE LEGITIMATE REASON why Bill Cowher would take a job here?

He left one of the best jobs in the NFL, fresh off a SB win, to be closer to his family.

One reason?
How about 8,000,000 reasons? I'd pay it if I was Clark.

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Old 12-17-2007, 11:36 AM   #22
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I think Herm came in saddled with an OC and a DC dictated by CP. Herm has mentioned on a couple of occasions lately that there are things he can not talk about as directed by powers above in the organization. And even though he came out and said Gun is his man for the DC spot, it is clear they are not on the same page.

I really believe Herm and Dungy are of the same mold, and I like what Dungy has done in both Indy and Tampa. But I believe Herm needs to be allowed to run the team the way he sees fit, and not with the meddling of the GM to interfer with the everyday operations of the coaching staff.
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I think Herm came in saddled with an OC and a DC dictated by CP. Herm has mentioned on a couple of occasions lately that there are things he can not talk about as directed by powers above in the organization. And even though he came out and said Gun is his man for the DC spot, it is clear they are not on the same page.

I really believe Herm and Dungy are of the same mold, and I like what Dungy has done in both Indy and Tampa. But I believe Herm needs to be allowed to run the team the way he sees fit, and not with the meddling of the GM to interfer with the everyday operations of the coaching staff.

That is complete BS... Herm was given complete freedom in hiring the coaching staff of his choice.
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Old 12-17-2007, 11:39 AM   #24
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How about 8,000,000 reasons? I'd pay it if I was Clark.

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Good thing you're not Clark.

I don't think Cowher would come here even for that amount. TheRooney's offered him a substantial raise to stick around, and he still retired.

He didn't leave a great franchise with a great young roster to start a rebuilding project.
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I think Herm came in saddled with an OC and a DC dictated by CP. Herm has mentioned on a couple of occasions lately that there are things he can not talk about as directed by powers above in the organization. And even though he came out and said Gun is his man for the DC spot, it is clear they are not on the same page.

I really believe Herm and Dungy are of the same mold, and I like what Dungy has done in both Indy and Tampa. But I believe Herm needs to be allowed to run the team the way he sees fit, and not with the meddling of the GM to interfer with the everyday operations of the coaching staff.
You know why the Colts win and why Dungy could never win in Tampa, Peyton Manning. You wanna play that the Chiefs are gonna get Manning? Also they have a GM that told Dungy he wasn't allowed to change the offense...

Also when Dungy in the past tried to pull typical Dungy moves Manning would overrule him. So until we get a QB with enough sack and enough stroke to tell the coach to suck it, we won't win.
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Old 12-17-2007, 11:39 AM   #26
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That is complete BS... Herm was given complete freedom in hiring the coaching staff of his choice.
What??? Please show me the proof of that.

Link?
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I don't even want Cowher here, honestly. He reeks of the Marty/Herm school. And he wouldn't have the super bowl ring either, except for the most poorly officiated game in super bowl history.
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Yep he even called Gun and asked him if he was ready to get started.

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Old 12-17-2007, 11:40 AM   #29
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That is complete BS... Herm was given complete freedom in hiring the coaching staff of his choice.
I don't buy that. If it is so, then Herm needs to go.
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Peterson knew Gun, Vermiel & Edwards. The one time he went with someone not of his cast of croonies is when he had his most success.

Mecca is no doubt right. Until Peterson is gone, it will just be more of the same. Keep Edwards until Carl isn't picking the HC's anymore
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