Johan Santana Traded to Mets - Page 2

**doomy3** · 01-29-2008, 06:50 PM

Good news for the Royals that we don't have to face him several times a year. The deal is done, but contingent on Santana agreeing to a long term extension in the next 48 hours. The Twins do get some good prospects in Carlos Gomez, Deolis Guerra, Kevin Mulvey and Philip Humber.

Here is a link on Rotoworld:

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/pla...rt=MLB&id=2993

Johan Santana-S- Twins Jan. 29 - 4:29 pm et

USA Today believes the Mets have landed Johan Santana from the Twins for Carlos Gomez, Deolis Guerra, Kevin Mulvey and Philip Humber.

A contract extension would still have to be worked out, so even if it is officially agreed to, this will likely linger through Friday at least. It's a pretty disappointing day for Twins fans. Both packages being discussed by the Red Sox and Yankees during the winter meetings seemed more attractive to us. Gomez and Guerra are big-time talents, but Gomez lacks plate discipline and might not fit in the top half of the lineup and an awful lot could go wrong before Guerra even sniffs the majors. Mulvey and Humber are third starters at best and probably more like fourths. It's a whole lot better than losing Santana for draft picks next winter, but we'd have taken a Phil Hughes or Jacoby Ellsbury package over this.
Source: USATODAY.com

**doomy3** · 01-29-2008, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Priest4Prez

Is it really that big of a deal?

Ah, it's OK. He's the biggest douchebag in the history of douchebaggery, narrowly edging out Hootie and findthedr.

Meth/Marlboro Man edges them out though because they're just stupid and Marlboro is stupid and a racist dickweed.

Priest4Prez · 01-29-2008, 09:57 PM

I am sort of bummed that Johan didn't go to to the bosox. they would have been unstoppable with him in the rotation. The Mets need him though

**doomy3** · 01-29-2008, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Priest4Prez

I am sort of bummed that Johan didn't go to to the bosox. they would have been unstoppable with him in the rotation. The Mets need him though

Yeah, that's kind of what I was hoping for too. Would have been cool to see that team roll through the AL East this year.

Although, I like the Mets a lot too with Wright, Reyes, Beltran, etc. They should be fun to watch this year.

**The Bad Guy** · 01-29-2008, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 88TG88

Johan better work out because the Mets gave away some real nice prospects to get him.

Nice?

Yes.

Real nice?

No.

Guerra is still about 3 years away. He has one pitch - a fastball. He has no breaking stuff. He could develop that, but that's a big if.

Gomez has speed, great glove, but hasn't developed a sense of the strike zone yet. If he does, he'll be good for the Twins. If not, he's a pinch runner late in games and a defensive sub.

Humber has fallen off the map since 2 years ago. His stuff never impressed me and I'm happy to see him go.

Mulvey is a guy who projects at best to be a Jon Garland-type pitcher.

This is a steal for the Mets. They kept Fernando, and Pelfrey, and added the best arm in baseball.

Santana in the NL is going to be insanely good.

Eleazar · 01-29-2008, 10:35 PM

Sounds like the Mets got the better end of this, which is good for us.

Demonpenz · 01-30-2008, 12:28 AM

We are still going to get our brains beat in. I wonder how the fans will feel when the royals loose 100 this year

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-30-2008, 12:34 AM

Looking at the minor league splits for the prospects that the Mets gave up, I'm wondering WTF the Twins were thinking. Nothing like trading for three pitchers who were .500 together in mid-level minor league ball, and what seems like a middling outfielder.

Demonpenz · 01-30-2008, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Looking at the minor league splits for the prospects that the Mets gave up, I'm wondering WTF the Twins were thinking. Nothing like trading for three pitchers who were .500 together in mid-level minor league ball, and what seems like a middling outfielder.

records don't mean as much to me as what the scouts say. What kind of velocity, repeatable delivery, etc, I would trust the twins scouting department to know what the hell they are doing.

Demonpenz · 01-30-2008, 12:38 AM

In a video game geek moment I am in year 5 or six of mvp 2005 baseball and santana not only throws 103 miles an hour he has 99 curve ball that breaks out of the screen and a change up that looks like the 103 fastball but is just slow enough you swing and miss.

Miles · 01-30-2008, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Cochise

Sounds like the Mets got the better end of this, which is good for us.

What the will have to pay him will even things out some but I was still fairly surprised it didn't take an elite level prospect / young player to get him. I wonder if the Twins decided to take a little bit less to get him out of the AL?

Miles · 01-30-2008, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz

records don't mean as much to me as what the scouts say. What kind of velocity, repeatable delivery, etc, I would trust the twins scouting department to know what the hell they are doing.

Its not a very accurate reflection of ability major league level and means even less in the minors.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-30-2008, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Miles

Its not a very accurate reflection of ability major league level and means even less in the minors.

When guys have sub .500 records in the minors, and mediocre ERAs, it doesn't bode well for their success...it's not like some of these guys have played one year in A ball and were told "Hey, throw your split on every two strike count today" to get work in. One of them was a 2004 draft pick (third overall), another already has two years plus in the minors.

I think the Twins got royally boned on this one.

Miles · 01-30-2008, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I think the Twins got royally boned on this one.

If does seem a lot like they overplayed the market then just took what was left. I seem to remember there being a strong rumor that the Twins were insisting on fucking Jose Reyes last fall.

HolmeZz · 01-30-2008, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

When guys have sub .500 records in the minors, and mediocre ERAs, it doesn't bode well for their success...

Gee, really? You should probably check out Johan Santana's minor league numbers.

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/playe...-santana.shtml

Guerra's young and was in a relatively heavy hitters league. The velocity on his fastball has gone up almost 5 MPH since the Mets got him and his changeup has developed into a tremendous pitch. You don't judge guys down there by raw numbers. You do it mostly by tools and potential they're showing.

Mecca · 01-30-2008, 12:57 AM

If you want to look at minor league pitching stats are a couple that you look at more than any other to determine success at the MLB level and if the guy has it or not.

K/9 K/BB ratio Whip stats like that are a lot more telling than ERA or wins.

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