For all of you that don't think Autism is related to Vaccines - Page 2

jidar · 04-09-2008, 06:16 PM

You know what, if you're serious about educating yourself on this topic you should read this:

http://www.slate.com/id/2123647/

It's an unbiased and scientific view of the data, and one that I find extremely convincing. There is no real evidence linking autism and vaccinations and what little evidence is claimed is extremely suspect. Probably the biggest one is that the increase in autism rates started in the early 80s but mandatory MMR vaccinations actually started a full decade prior. Also several European countries stopped using MMR vaccinations in 1992 and it had no impact in their increasing rate of reported autism cases.

**luv** · 04-09-2008, 06:22 PM

My nephew did not receive all of his immunizations at once, and he has autism.

Floridafan · 04-09-2008, 07:26 PM

I have four kids and never had any immunized. They got into Missouri public schools no problem just signing the form. Same here in Florida where they finished school.

It's the heavy metals in the vaccines.

Doctor in Chicago having great results chelating the metals out of the brains of these kids. You will never hear about him or his results because of the powers that be.

**jAZ** · 04-10-2008, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by jidar

You know what, if you're serious about educating yourself on this topic you should read this:

http://www.slate.com/id/2123647/

It's an unbiased and scientific view of the data, and one that I find extremely convincing. There is no real evidence linking autism and vaccinations and what little evidence is claimed is extremely suspect. Probably the biggest one is that the increase in autism rates started in the early 80s but mandatory MMR vaccinations actually started a full decade prior. Also several European countries stopped using MMR vaccinations in 1992 and it had no impact in their increasing rate of reported autism cases.

Another article to read...

http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/07-06-20.html#feature

Mosbonian · 04-10-2008, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by jAZ

Another article to read...

http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/07-06-20.html#feature

Thank you for the link jAZ....and here is the part that interests me most:

Envoi

Claims of a causal link between the administration of thimerosal-containing vaccines and the onset of autism are unfounded. The controversy has been driven more by public fervor than it has by science. This is not to suggest that the advocates and parents fueling the fire are malicious or intentionally misleading the public. The reality is that too many families face the unimaginable hardship of learning that their child has been diagnosed with autism and must encounter the subsequent trials and tribulations of providing the best possible care and education for their child. These parents are in desperate need of both assistance and answers. Compounding the difficulty is that many must navigate the waters of emerging science without having received the necessary training to do so. Clarifying misguided claims of causative factors can help redirect necessary resources to more promising treatments, and perhaps reveal a better understanding of the real factors that cause autism.

B_Ambuehl · 04-10-2008, 12:54 AM

There is quite a bit of evidence people with autism have a propensity to have a more difficult time eliminating heavy metals. So what might be safe for someone with a good detoxification system could cause autism in someone else. One study on hair analysis showed lower levels of mercury in the hair of kids with autism and more mercury in the hair of normal children. This is an example of the type of cover-ups on this topic:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...adly_immunity/

**wazu** · 04-09-2008, 08:43 PM

I have a friend who had the same thing happen. His kid got the MMR vaccine at 18 months, suddenly got sick, and then went silent. Went from being gregarious and talking to full-blown severe autism. When he told me about it, he had not heard of any correllation between the shots and the autism, but mentioned to me that he had been wondering about it because the timing was so dead-on. I googled it and found stories all over the place of the same thing, so I let him know.

The thing is, I understand that there is no scientific proof yet. What bothered me so much and why I delayed letting my sons get the MMR was that the whole point of a vaccine is to avoid problems, not create new, life-crippling problems. Doctors I talked to dismissed it immediately, and seemed to have a chip on their shoulders about it.

I finally decided I'd rather risk a dangerous disease than to get the shot while they are still so young and always blame myself if something happened. This basically meant getting the shot at 3 instead of at 1, and by then they had removed the thimerisol (mercury) binding agent. My youngest will get the shot next year just before his 4th birthday. I have to admit being a little uneasy about it already.

Swanman · 04-09-2008, 08:49 PM

I've been out of the loop with the vaccination stuff because I don't have kids yet, but I found out that they now vaccinate for chicken pox. Why?

stlchiefs · 04-09-2008, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Swanman

I've been out of the loop with the vaccination stuff because I don't have kids yet, but I found out that they now vaccinate for chicken pox. Why?

I didn't realize that either. That's like a right of passage as a child. Not to mention you get to stay home for a week or so from school.

Swanman · 04-09-2008, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by stlchiefs

I didn't realize that either. That's like a right of passage as a child. Not to mention you get to stay home for a week or so from school.

It certainly was a rite of passage. I got my Atari 2600 when I got chicken pox, so I got to stay home from school for a week and play some sweet video games on a 13" black and white tv.

Seems to me that immunizing against a fairly harmless disease will do nothing more than force it to mutate and become not so harmless.

Bill Lundberg · 04-09-2008, 09:02 PM

There is a school of thought that believes the genetic make up for Autism is already present, it's something in the vaccination that triggers that gene in Autistic children.

We grilled our pediatrician pretty hard on the subject and after listening to his reasoning we decided to go forward with the vaccines. His office doesn't use any Mercury or thimerosal in their vaccines. There are no preservatives added to the vaccines we received.

melbar · 04-09-2008, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Lundberg

There is a school of thought that believes the genetic make up for Autism is already present, it's something in the vaccination that triggers that gene in Autistic children.

We grilled our pediatrician pretty hard on the subject and after listening to his reasoning we decided to go forward with the vaccines. His office doesn't use any Mercury or thimerosal in their vaccines. There are no preservatives added to the vaccines we received.

As I said above, thats what really scared us about our son. Tip toeing, fascination with spinning wheels, and clapping his individual hands when he gets excited. He is fine now (still does these) and shows expression, emotion, etc., but we still have moments that scare us.

**wazu** · 04-09-2008, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Swanman

I've been out of the loop with the vaccination stuff because I don't have kids yet, but I found out that they now vaccinate for chicken pox. Why?

I wondered the same thing. The doctor finally scared us into it by talking about how now there are some really viscious skin infections that come on top of Chickenpox and cause much more serious problems.

We initially avoided this one in addition to the MMR, but finally decided to go ahead and get it done once they were a little older.

Bill Lundberg · 04-09-2008, 09:04 PM

Truthfully I don't think anyone knows for sure. I know one thing, if the Government knew for a fact that there was no link they certainly wouldn't have a billion dollar fund set aside to assist those with autistic children.

Mosbonian · 04-09-2008, 10:09 PM

Since there seems to be an agenda here, let me provide a little bit of balance from someone who is living the life.

Both my son and daughter have been given the same set of vaccinations, in the same dosages, at the same intervals. Not one iota of difference!

My son who is soon to be 16 suffers from Asperger's.....my daughter who is 12 does not. So how can one explain the difference?

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04-09-2008, 06:16 PM	#1
jidar MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: a Casino cash: $10004900	You know what, if you're serious about educating yourself on this topic you should read this: http://www.slate.com/id/2123647/ It's an unbiased and scientific view of the data, and one that I find extremely convincing. There is no real evidence linking autism and vaccinations and what little evidence is claimed is extremely suspect. Probably the biggest one is that the increase in autism rates started in the early 80s but mandatory MMR vaccinations actually started a full decade prior. Also several European countries stopped using MMR vaccinations in 1992 and it had no impact in their increasing rate of reported autism cases.
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04-09-2008, 06:22 PM	#2
luv You think you can get by this? Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Springfield, MO Casino cash: $-1250000	My nephew did not receive all of his immunizations at once, and he has autism.
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04-09-2008, 07:26 PM	#3
Floridafan Starter Join Date: May 2003 Location: Palm Beach Gardens, FL Casino cash: $9846623	I have four kids and never had any immunized. They got into Missouri public schools no problem just signing the form. Same here in Florida where they finished school. It's the heavy metals in the vaccines. Doctor in Chicago having great results chelating the metals out of the brains of these kids. You will never hear about him or his results because of the powers that be. Last edited by Floridafan; 04-09-2008 at 07:39 PM..
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04-10-2008, 12:54 AM	#6
B_Ambuehl Veteran Join Date: Apr 2005 Casino cash: $9705405	There is quite a bit of evidence people with autism have a propensity to have a more difficult time eliminating heavy metals. So what might be safe for someone with a good detoxification system could cause autism in someone else. One study on hair analysis showed lower levels of mercury in the hair of kids with autism and more mercury in the hair of normal children. This is an example of the type of cover-ups on this topic: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...adly_immunity/ __________________ Who's decision was it to fire Romeo" - Coleman C Hunt: "It was my decision but it was one that Scott agreed with" LOL
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04-09-2008, 08:43 PM	#7
wazu ... Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $-1697705 VARSITY	I have a friend who had the same thing happen. His kid got the MMR vaccine at 18 months, suddenly got sick, and then went silent. Went from being gregarious and talking to full-blown severe autism. When he told me about it, he had not heard of any correllation between the shots and the autism, but mentioned to me that he had been wondering about it because the timing was so dead-on. I googled it and found stories all over the place of the same thing, so I let him know. The thing is, I understand that there is no scientific proof yet. What bothered me so much and why I delayed letting my sons get the MMR was that the whole point of a vaccine is to avoid problems, not create new, life-crippling problems. Doctors I talked to dismissed it immediately, and seemed to have a chip on their shoulders about it. I finally decided I'd rather risk a dangerous disease than to get the shot while they are still so young and always blame myself if something happened. This basically meant getting the shot at 3 instead of at 1, and by then they had removed the thimerisol (mercury) binding agent. My youngest will get the shot next year just before his 4th birthday. I have to admit being a little uneasy about it already.
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04-09-2008, 08:49 PM	#8
Swanman It's a league game, Dude Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Itasca, IL Casino cash: $9967354	I've been out of the loop with the vaccination stuff because I don't have kids yet, but I found out that they now vaccinate for chicken pox. Why?
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04-09-2008, 09:02 PM	#11
Bill Lundberg American Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Overland Park Casino cash: $10004925	There is a school of thought that believes the genetic make up for Autism is already present, it's something in the vaccination that triggers that gene in Autistic children. We grilled our pediatrician pretty hard on the subject and after listening to his reasoning we decided to go forward with the vaccines. His office doesn't use any Mercury or thimerosal in their vaccines. There are no preservatives added to the vaccines we received.
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04-09-2008, 09:04 PM	#14
Bill Lundberg American Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Overland Park Casino cash: $10004925	Truthfully I don't think anyone knows for sure. I know one thing, if the Government knew for a fact that there was no link they certainly wouldn't have a billion dollar fund set aside to assist those with autistic children.
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04-09-2008, 10:09 PM	#15
Mosbonian On Hiatus Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $-1330300	Since there seems to be an agenda here, let me provide a little bit of balance from someone who is living the life. Both my son and daughter have been given the same set of vaccinations, in the same dosages, at the same intervals. Not one iota of difference! My son who is soon to be 16 suffers from Asperger's.....my daughter who is 12 does not. So how can one explain the difference? mmaddog *******
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