Chiefs Gholston theory - Page 2

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-24-2008, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by tooge

I have heard the rumors that Herm is really high on Gholston. I think it is a complete smokescreen. Herm has talked about drafting guys for their system for the last 2 years, and Gholston just plain doesn't fit the chiefs 4-3/cover 2 system. I dont think they have any interest at all in him. It is just a play to try to get NE, whose system he fits perfectly, to be a potential trade partner. Will the trade happen? Who knows, it all depends if Long is there or not. If so, certainly they take him, if not, I bet they are trying real hard to trade back 2 spots where they will end up taking Clady or Albert and gain an extra 2nd rounder. I will absolutely shit my shorts if Gholston is a chief.

Like fucking clockwork.

Anyone else who sees this post over the next two days, and you will ad infinitum, please refer them to this:

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El Jefe · 04-24-2008, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Like fucking clockwork.

Anyone else who sees this post over the next two days, and you will ad infinitum, please refer them to this:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=166

Typical draft week crap. Talk about the same thing in 15 different threads.

SBK · 04-24-2008, 01:11 PM

I think you've heard so much about the Chiefs wanting Ryan, perhaps a few of the other guys as well, is because they want Gholston to fall.

You never make people think you like a guy so they'll trade with you to get him, you do it so they'll trade ahead of you so that who you want will actually be there.

Molitoth · 04-24-2008, 01:19 PM

We better take Long if he is there !

tooge · 04-24-2008, 02:07 PM

I guess I am not saying that I wouldn't want him on the team. I just dont want him with the 5th pick. And, I have read too many places (not just one internet report loser) that they are going to a zone scheme on O. Clady fits fine there.

PhillyChiefFan · 04-24-2008, 01:37 PM

If Long is there and we don't take him over Gholston I'll be upset. Gholston, IMO, is smaller than what I would like in a pass rushing DE, which is what we need.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-24-2008, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by PhillyChiefFan

If Long is there and we don't take him over Gholston I'll be upset. Gholston, IMO, is smaller than what I would like in a pass rushing DE, which is what we need.

So you didn't like Jared Allen?

Brock · 04-24-2008, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by PhillyChiefFan

If Long is there and we don't take him over Gholston I'll be upset. Gholston, IMO, is smaller than what I would like in a pass rushing DE, which is what we need.

Sure-Oz · 04-24-2008, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by PhillyChiefFan

If Long is there and we don't take him over Gholston I'll be upset. Gholston, IMO, is smaller than what I would like in a pass rushing DE, which is what we need.

He is the same size as ALLEN, hello???

Hammock Parties · 04-24-2008, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

He is the same size as ALLEN, hello???

He's actually shorter, which means he's a bit stouter.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-24-2008, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE

He's actually shorter, which means he's a bit stouter.

And he whipped God's ass in a street fight outside of Babylon in 954 B.C.

BigRock · 04-24-2008, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE

He's actually shorter, which means he's a bit stouter.

There's a 3-4 inch difference in their heights. I don't say that to support the idea that Gholston can't play our scheme, but people are acting like Gholston and Allen are twins or something.

Ultra Peanut · 04-24-2008, 02:37 PM

I'm just going to share this, the best scouting report ever, to explain why we must draft Gholston:

2. Vernon Gholston, Ohio State

6-2¾, 263; Round 1

Overview: Junior entry with immense physical talent but questionable football character. Started at defensive end the last two years, and last season had 14 sacks and 15½ tackles for a loss. Has an impressive physique and moved into a possible top-five pick with a superb workout at the scouting combine, where he ran the 40 in 4.58 seconds, had an amazing 42-inch vertical jump and did a defensive-tackle like 37 reps on the 225-pound bench press. Has the rarest of explosive talent, but some scouts are greatly concerned by his spotty effort on game videotape.

The talk: "He's a dog. He's embarrassing. He embarrasses himself and his coach," said one longtime scout. "But about three times a game, he goes like no one's gone in about five years. He's got supernatural stuff, he really does. I don't see anybody in the last five years that has what he has. I'd have to really think back to (Dwight) Freeney or (Julius) Peppers to have the stuff he has. But he's absolutely a dog, and anybody that tells you different should be fired immediately from their job. If we were up there, I'd be scared to death and, at the same time, I'd feel my adrenalin rushing thinking maybe we could turn him on. I confronted him. I said, 'You're about the laziest SOB I've ever seen.' He didn't know how to explain it. He couldn't come back on it. He didn't get mad. I don't know. He was taken by surprise, I guess. Are you going to spend a top 10 pick on a guy? I don't know. But he's got real, real stuff. On a scale of 1 to 10, he's 10. He had 14 sacks. He should have had 30. He'd have set the world's record. They shouldn't be able to block him. He just doesn't care." … "I'd have to agree that there's periods during the game when the guy will disappear," the college scouting director for an AFC team said. "But even saying that, the guy had 14 sacks, and pass rushers are at a premium and so hard to find. If you can push his buttons just a little bit, maybe that 5 or 10 percent of the game, he plays a little harder. I think you've got something. Even saying that, I think he'll come in the league and be a double-digit sack guy, he's got that kind of ability." … "I think the guy's learning how to play a little bit," a third scout countered. "You have to know what they're being taught and what the defense is asking them to do. Because you get a lot of guys that grade tape, and if a guy's not chasing everything like crazy from the get go, they're dogging it. Well, a lot of times they're told to hang back in certain games against certain people because of tendencies. So you've got to be careful about some of that stuff."

Chiefmanwillcatch · 04-24-2008, 02:48 PM

GHOLSTON isn't strong against the run. He could only play D-end like DT. Only 3rd down.

I am sure Herm didn't care for JA.

Chris LONG!

Chiefmanwillcatch · 04-24-2008, 03:06 PM

His tape says he can't shed and has difficulties with the run.

IF HERM says he can play end then it's ok.

04-24-2008, 01:11 PM	#3
SBK Curry is the pick??? Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Georgia Casino cash: $10004900	I think you've heard so much about the Chiefs wanting Ryan, perhaps a few of the other guys as well, is because they want Gholston to fall. You never make people think you like a guy so they'll trade with you to get him, you do it so they'll trade ahead of you so that who you want will actually be there.
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04-24-2008, 01:19 PM	#4
Molitoth Mahomes Fanboi Join Date: Apr 2004 Casino cash: $134969	We better take Long if he is there !
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04-24-2008, 02:07 PM	#5
tooge MVP Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Liberty, MO Casino cash: $584112	I guess I am not saying that I wouldn't want him on the team. I just dont want him with the 5th pick. And, I have read too many places (not just one internet report loser) that they are going to a zone scheme on O. Clady fits fine there.
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04-24-2008, 01:37 PM	#6
PhillyChiefFan Veteran Join Date: May 2007 Location: Harrisburg, PA Casino cash: $3161139	If Long is there and we don't take him over Gholston I'll be upset. Gholston, IMO, is smaller than what I would like in a pass rushing DE, which is what we need.
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04-24-2008, 02:37 PM	#13
Ultra Peanut v^V^v^V^v^V^ Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Holland* Casino cash: $10005177	I'm just going to share this, the best scouting report ever, to explain why we must draft Gholston: 2. Vernon Gholston, Ohio State 6-2¾, 263; Round 1 Overview: Junior entry with immense physical talent but questionable football character. Started at defensive end the last two years, and last season had 14 sacks and 15½ tackles for a loss. Has an impressive physique and moved into a possible top-five pick with a superb workout at the scouting combine, where he ran the 40 in 4.58 seconds, had an amazing 42-inch vertical jump and did a defensive-tackle like 37 reps on the 225-pound bench press. Has the rarest of explosive talent, but some scouts are greatly concerned by his spotty effort on game videotape. The talk: "He's a dog. He's embarrassing. He embarrasses himself and his coach," said one longtime scout. "But about three times a game, he goes like no one's gone in about five years. He's got supernatural stuff, he really does. I don't see anybody in the last five years that has what he has. I'd have to really think back to (Dwight) Freeney or (Julius) Peppers to have the stuff he has. But he's absolutely a dog, and anybody that tells you different should be fired immediately from their job. If we were up there, I'd be scared to death and, at the same time, I'd feel my adrenalin rushing thinking maybe we could turn him on. I confronted him. I said, 'You're about the laziest SOB I've ever seen.' He didn't know how to explain it. He couldn't come back on it. He didn't get mad. I don't know. He was taken by surprise, I guess. Are you going to spend a top 10 pick on a guy? I don't know. But he's got real, real stuff. On a scale of 1 to 10, he's 10. He had 14 sacks. He should have had 30. He'd have set the world's record. They shouldn't be able to block him. He just doesn't care." … "I'd have to agree that there's periods during the game when the guy will disappear," the college scouting director for an AFC team said. "But even saying that, the guy had 14 sacks, and pass rushers are at a premium and so hard to find. If you can push his buttons just a little bit, maybe that 5 or 10 percent of the game, he plays a little harder. I think you've got something. Even saying that, I think he'll come in the league and be a double-digit sack guy, he's got that kind of ability." … "I think the guy's learning how to play a little bit," a third scout countered. "You have to know what they're being taught and what the defense is asking them to do. Because you get a lot of guys that grade tape, and if a guy's not chasing everything like crazy from the get go, they're dogging it. Well, a lot of times they're told to hang back in certain games against certain people because of tendencies. So you've got to be careful about some of that stuff." __________________
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04-24-2008, 02:48 PM	#14
Chiefmanwillcatch Banned Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: KC Casino cash: $10004900	GHOLSTON isn't strong against the run. He could only play D-end like DT. Only 3rd down. I am sure Herm didn't care for JA. Chris LONG!
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04-24-2008, 03:06 PM	#15
Chiefmanwillcatch Banned Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: KC Casino cash: $10004900	His tape says he can't shed and has difficulties with the run. IF HERM says he can play end then it's ok.
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