Chiefs King Carl gives Whitlock shit, and Whitlock fires right back! - Page 2

Hammock Parties · 09-08-2008, 01:59 AM

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In a battle of postgame cluelessness, the judges gave the title to The Artist Formerly Known as King Carl over “star” receiver Dwayne Bowe in a split decision.

I, of course, agree with the judges.

In the moments after the Chiefs fell to the New England Patriots 17-10, Carl Peterson sauntered over to me and bragged about Kansas City’s closer-than-expected loss.

“It wasn’t a fifth exhibition game for the Patriots,” Peterson sneered as I chatted with Tony Gonzalez.

Moments later, Bowe told me and several television reporters, “I played OK.”

I waited for the cameras to leave and then asked Bowe whether he was disappointed with his play and whether he was taking the loss personally. Bowe assured me he wasn’t.

Wow. The Chiefs nearly pulled off the shocker of the NFL opening weekend. Their defense knocked Tom Brady out of the game midway through the first quarter (knee injury), and the Kansas City offense lined up first and goal at the 5 with a chance to tie the game in the final seconds.

The two people most responsible for the loss felt nothing and/or the impulse to brag.

Bowe dropped the game-tying touchdown. On first and goal, Damon Huard drilled Bowe with a perfect fade stop. Bowe dropped it. His fourth drop of the game. Bowe was horrible Sunday. He made a leaping snag on a 13-yard TD catch. Other than that, he was miserable. He certainly wasn’t a No. 1 receiver.

“Too many drops,” Herm Edwards said after the game. “He’s better than that. He was pressing.”

When the game was over, I expected Bowe to stand before reporters and tearfully swear he’d never play that poorly again. I expected him to say what Edwards said: “I had too many drops. I’m better than that. I let my quarterback down. Damon came in and did a nice job replacing Brodie Croyle, and I have to make that catch for him and the team.”

Instead, Bowe insisted nothing was wrong and suggested the Chiefs played well in the second half.

Honestly, I anticipated Peterson’s cluelessness. He’ll never admit that he’s an anchor around this franchise. Sunday’s game was a glaring example of his shortcomings as a personnel man.

He’s never drafted and/or developed a No. 1 receiver, which has prevented the Chiefs from cultivating a legitimate franchise quarterback. For 20 years, the Chiefs have tried to win football games with pretenders at quarterback and receiver.

Andre Rison, a castoff at the end of his career, has been Peterson’s best receiver. Trent Green, a castoff and journeyman, has been Peterson’s best quarterback. In terms of draft picks, the best Peterson has done is Joe Horn, a guy Peterson let go because he wrongly concluded Horn wasn’t a real No. 1 receiver.

Rather than gloating about beating the spread because a potentially “illegal” hit sidelined Brady, Peterson should’ve watched the game and recognized his own failure.

In a league that requires a top-flight quarterback and receiver to win consistently, the Chiefs have the league’s second-youngest roster and no promising options at quarterback or receiver.

I know it’s just one game, but I’m far from convinced Bowe is a No. 1 receiver. He’s 10 pounds too thick by my eyes, a step too slow and much too immature. A four-drop afternoon angers and embarrasses a superstar receiver. A crucial fourth-quarter drop in the end zone causes depression.

I’ll be interested to see what Bowe does next week against Oakland.

It’s going to be interesting to see what the Chiefs do at quarterback the rest of this season. Croyle left because of a shoulder injury early in the third quarter. Kansas City’s receiver-less offense had done nothing to that point.

Huard provided a spark. He connected with Bowe for a score. On Kansas City’s final drive, Huard stood in the pocket, absorbed the rush of three New England defenders and hit KC’s No. 2 receiver Devard Darling with a beautiful strike on a skinny post.

Darling should have scored. He’s supposed to be KC’s speed receiver. He was out in space and somehow got dragged down 5 yards short of a 73-yard, game-tying TD catch-n-run.

“It should’ve been a score,” Darling said.

“I guess the guy had an angle on him,” Edwards said.

There was no angle. Darling is not a true No. 2 receiver. He’s a special-teams player masquerading as a No. 2 because of Peterson’s incompetence.

No doubt the Chiefs turned in a solid effort, especially on the defensive side. Kansas City’s young defenders up front — Tank Tyler, Turk McBride and Glenn Dorsey — showed some promise. The Chiefs’ defense, as has been the case for most of the Peterson era, flashed some grit.

Kansas City’s offense, on the other hand, was foiled by the exact same shortcomings that have haunted the Chiefs for 20 years.

At least we can credit Peterson for being consistently clueless. We can hope Bowe will get a clue as he matures.

TEX · 09-08-2008, 05:23 AM

Whitlock nailed this one IMO. When a WR at any level drops 4 he did NOT play "ok." When a GM is fired up about "playing it closeer than expected" he's NOT playing to win and thus is NOT a good GM. What a bunch of pathetic LOSERS. Seems the fans care more...

Deberg_1990 · 09-08-2008, 05:32 AM

I refuse to get down on Bowe so soon. Thats just dumb. Not when Guys like Marvin Harrison, Braylon Edwards and many others didnt break out until their 3rd and 4th seasons.

Maybe JW is just trying to light a fire??

**Bob Dole** · 09-08-2008, 05:41 AM

It would be a truly awesome article if the play Jason is harping on was really a play and not blown dead because of a NE timeout.

Bob Dole isn't saying that Bowe doesn't need to get over the dropsies, but facts is facts and that wouldn't have been a TD even if he HAD caught the ball.

jjjayb · 09-08-2008, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I agree with that part of his article, but he's also saying that because he had one case of the dropsies that he's not a #1. It's not like Braylon Edwards or TO have Jerry Rice's hands.

Except for the fact that Bowe has had the dropsies since he's been here. Sure he can make the circus catch while double covered, but he drops too many routine catches.

InChiefsHeaven · 09-08-2008, 06:16 AM

What freaks me out the most is we could have, should have won this game. Against the friggin' PATRIOTS! Bowe needed to come up big, but instead he really looked bad, at least in the first half...wide open on 3rd down, Croyle makes a throw for the ages and Bowe starts running before he catches the ball...I think that was his second drop. Bowe is supposed to be there to help Croyle, not **** him over.

...now that Croyle is injured, I guess it's a moot point, but if he wasn't I'd hope he'd get in Bowe's face later and tell him to shape the **** up...

**007** · 09-08-2008, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

What freaks me out the most is we could have, should have won this game. Against the friggin' PATRIOTS! Bowe needed to come up big, but instead he really looked bad, at least in the first half...wide open on 3rd down, Croyle makes a throw for the ages and Bowe starts running before he catches the ball...I think that was his second drop. Bowe is supposed to be there to help Croyle, not **** him over.

...now that Croyle is injured, I guess it's a moot point, but if he wasn't I'd hope he'd get in Bowe's face later and tell him to shape the **** up...

You honestly thought we would win the game had it gone to OT? Seriously?

Hell, I would have called for us to go for 2 rather than play for OT. Only because it was NE.

Chiefnj2 · 09-08-2008, 06:47 AM

We have a GM who is happy that the Chiefs played it close, as opposed to actually winning the game when they had 4 shots to get it in the endzone from the 5. I guess Herm was a good choice for Carl after all.

As for Bowe, he was always known at LSU as being a very good receiver who would occassionally drop some easy balls. Some people bought into the excuse that the drops stopped after he received some corrective eye surgery, but it didn't really. Bowe was never known for having great hands.

TrickyNicky · 09-08-2008, 06:49 AM

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**Buehler445** · 09-08-2008, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I think the idea is that Bowe is really the Chiefs young star player and he's not reacting like you'd want him to. Owens for all his shit if he played like that would be pissed off at himself and say it.

I'd beg to differ on that one. Owens' first year in Dallas he had a ginormous case of the dropsies. I remember one game, he caught a glimpse of the LB looking to smoke him when he was coming across the middle. You could see him stutter step and then aligator arm it. Not just a little bit, but like the full chomp.

That was the year that the media said that he had a league high "drops" even though thats a terribly unofficial and subjective stat. IIRC, all I remember him saying is that he is always working hard in the offense to be the best he can be or some BS like that.

TN_Chief · 09-08-2008, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

I'd beg to differ on that one. Owens' first year in Dallas he had a ginormous case of the dropsies. I remember one game, he caught a glimpse of the LB looking to smoke him when he was coming across the middle. You could see him stutter step and then aligator arm it. Not just a little bit, but like the full chomp.

That was the year that the media said that he had a league high "drops" even though thats a terribly unofficial and subjective stat. IIRC, all I remember him saying is that he is always working hard in the offense to be the best he can be or some BS like that.

I hate TO with a passion. But that first season in Dallas he had a F'd-up hand/finger that required offseason surgery. That's why he dropped so many balls.

**Buehler445** · 09-08-2008, 07:00 AM

I guess my take on it is that King Carl is a douchenozzle. Whitlock didn't really uncover anything substantial there.

As far as Bowe goes, the cat is in his second year. He's going to make second year player mistakes. The important part is that he privately recognizes and rectifies them. Whether he does it in public really has no effect on me.

I would urge you people to take patience with the young people on this team. They are going to miss blocks, drop passes, blow coverages, not get off blocks, etc. We can't throw them under the bus every time a rookie makes a rookie mistake.

KevB · 09-08-2008, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob Dole

It would be a truly awesome article if the play Jason is harping on was really a play and not blown dead because of a NE timeout.

Bob Dole isn't saying that Bowe doesn't need to get over the dropsies, but facts is facts and that wouldn't have been a TD even if he HAD caught the ball.

Bob Dole,

The first play that wouldn't have counted was also a fade to Bowe, and it was actually caught out of bounds by the defender. The second play (and first that would have counted) was the fade stop to Bowe that he dropped....that would have counted.

WilliamTheIrish · 09-08-2008, 07:07 AM

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Kansas City’s offense, on the other hand, was foiled by the exact same shortcomings that have haunted the Chiefs for 20 years

The same "Keep it close and steal it late" philosophy of Marty.

The same "We need a game manager, not a playmaker" QB philosophy.

This is going to be a Paul Wiggin like year.

Extra Point · 09-08-2008, 08:26 AM

Whitlock complains that the pork chop at the restaurant doesn't smell fresh enough, while he sits in the pants he shit in all day.

09-08-2008, 08:34 AM

I'm just thrilled Jason made it through an entire game in Foxboro without a looming suspension. Congratulations on that, Jason. Well done.

09-08-2008, 01:59 AM
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $790478	King Carl gives Whitlock shit, and Whitlock fires right back! . Epic journalismizing! http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chi...ry/786871.html In a battle of postgame cluelessness, the judges gave the title to The Artist Formerly Known as King Carl over “star” receiver Dwayne Bowe in a split decision. I, of course, agree with the judges. In the moments after the Chiefs fell to the New England Patriots 17-10, Carl Peterson sauntered over to me and bragged about Kansas City’s closer-than-expected loss. “It wasn’t a fifth exhibition game for the Patriots,” Peterson sneered as I chatted with Tony Gonzalez. Moments later, Bowe told me and several television reporters, “I played OK.” I waited for the cameras to leave and then asked Bowe whether he was disappointed with his play and whether he was taking the loss personally. Bowe assured me he wasn’t. Wow. The Chiefs nearly pulled off the shocker of the NFL opening weekend. Their defense knocked Tom Brady out of the game midway through the first quarter (knee injury), and the Kansas City offense lined up first and goal at the 5 with a chance to tie the game in the final seconds. The two people most responsible for the loss felt nothing and/or the impulse to brag. Bowe dropped the game-tying touchdown. On first and goal, Damon Huard drilled Bowe with a perfect fade stop. Bowe dropped it. His fourth drop of the game. Bowe was horrible Sunday. He made a leaping snag on a 13-yard TD catch. Other than that, he was miserable. He certainly wasn’t a No. 1 receiver. “Too many drops,” Herm Edwards said after the game. “He’s better than that. He was pressing.” When the game was over, I expected Bowe to stand before reporters and tearfully swear he’d never play that poorly again. I expected him to say what Edwards said: “I had too many drops. I’m better than that. I let my quarterback down. Damon came in and did a nice job replacing Brodie Croyle, and I have to make that catch for him and the team.” Instead, Bowe insisted nothing was wrong and suggested the Chiefs played well in the second half. Honestly, I anticipated Peterson’s cluelessness. He’ll never admit that he’s an anchor around this franchise. Sunday’s game was a glaring example of his shortcomings as a personnel man. He’s never drafted and/or developed a No. 1 receiver, which has prevented the Chiefs from cultivating a legitimate franchise quarterback. For 20 years, the Chiefs have tried to win football games with pretenders at quarterback and receiver. Andre Rison, a castoff at the end of his career, has been Peterson’s best receiver. Trent Green, a castoff and journeyman, has been Peterson’s best quarterback. In terms of draft picks, the best Peterson has done is Joe Horn, a guy Peterson let go because he wrongly concluded Horn wasn’t a real No. 1 receiver. Rather than gloating about beating the spread because a potentially “illegal” hit sidelined Brady, Peterson should’ve watched the game and recognized his own failure. In a league that requires a top-flight quarterback and receiver to win consistently, the Chiefs have the league’s second-youngest roster and no promising options at quarterback or receiver. I know it’s just one game, but I’m far from convinced Bowe is a No. 1 receiver. He’s 10 pounds too thick by my eyes, a step too slow and much too immature. A four-drop afternoon angers and embarrasses a superstar receiver. A crucial fourth-quarter drop in the end zone causes depression. I’ll be interested to see what Bowe does next week against Oakland. It’s going to be interesting to see what the Chiefs do at quarterback the rest of this season. Croyle left because of a shoulder injury early in the third quarter. Kansas City’s receiver-less offense had done nothing to that point. Huard provided a spark. He connected with Bowe for a score. On Kansas City’s final drive, Huard stood in the pocket, absorbed the rush of three New England defenders and hit KC’s No. 2 receiver Devard Darling with a beautiful strike on a skinny post. Darling should have scored. He’s supposed to be KC’s speed receiver. He was out in space and somehow got dragged down 5 yards short of a 73-yard, game-tying TD catch-n-run. “It should’ve been a score,” Darling said. “I guess the guy had an angle on him,” Edwards said. There was no angle. Darling is not a true No. 2 receiver. He’s a special-teams player masquerading as a No. 2 because of Peterson’s incompetence. No doubt the Chiefs turned in a solid effort, especially on the defensive side. Kansas City’s young defenders up front — Tank Tyler, Turk McBride and Glenn Dorsey — showed some promise. The Chiefs’ defense, as has been the case for most of the Peterson era, flashed some grit. Kansas City’s offense, on the other hand, was foiled by the exact same shortcomings that have haunted the Chiefs for 20 years. At least we can credit Peterson for being consistently clueless. We can hope Bowe will get a clue as he matures.
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09-08-2008, 05:23 AM	#16
TEX Out Gunning CP's Fandom Police Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Galveston, TX Casino cash: $-1456873	Whitlock nailed this one IMO. When a WR at any level drops 4 he did NOT play "ok." When a GM is fired up about "playing it closeer than expected" he's NOT playing to win and thus is NOT a good GM. What a bunch of pathetic LOSERS. Seems the fans care more... __________________ "Do we have time to run WASP?"
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09-08-2008, 05:32 AM	#17
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $94454	I refuse to get down on Bowe so soon. Thats just dumb. Not when Guys like Marvin Harrison, Braylon Edwards and many others didnt break out until their 3rd and 4th seasons. Maybe JW is just trying to light a fire?? __________________ Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning: Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down. One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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09-08-2008, 05:41 AM	#18
Bob Dole King Shit of **** Mountain Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Texarkana, Texas Casino cash: $-1344563	It would be a truly awesome article if the play Jason is harping on was really a play and not blown dead because of a NE timeout. Bob Dole isn't saying that Bowe doesn't need to get over the dropsies, but facts is facts and that wouldn't have been a TD even if he HAD caught the ball.
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09-08-2008, 06:16 AM	#20
InChiefsHeaven Rockin' yer FACE OFF! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Omaha, Nebraska Casino cash: $585437	What freaks me out the most is we could have, should have won this game. Against the friggin' PATRIOTS! Bowe needed to come up big, but instead he really looked bad, at least in the first half...wide open on 3rd down, Croyle makes a throw for the ages and Bowe starts running before he catches the ball...I think that was his second drop. Bowe is supposed to be there to help Croyle, not ** him over. ...now that Croyle is injured, I guess it's a moot point, but if he wasn't I'd hope he'd get in Bowe's face later and tell him to shape the ** up... __________________ We have a million reasons for failure, but not one excuse... Die Donks, DIE!! Holy Crap fellas!!! We did it!!! THREE TIMES!!!
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09-08-2008, 06:47 AM	#22
Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $6654388	We have a GM who is happy that the Chiefs played it close, as opposed to actually winning the game when they had 4 shots to get it in the endzone from the 5. I guess Herm was a good choice for Carl after all. As for Bowe, he was always known at LSU as being a very good receiver who would occassionally drop some easy balls. Some people bought into the excuse that the drops stopped after he received some corrective eye surgery, but it didn't really. Bowe was never known for having great hands. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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09-08-2008, 07:00 AM	#26
Buehler445 Supporter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Scott City KS Casino cash: $-1605266	I guess my take on it is that King Carl is a douchenozzle. Whitlock didn't really uncover anything substantial there. As far as Bowe goes, the cat is in his second year. He's going to make second year player mistakes. The important part is that he privately recognizes and rectifies them. Whether he does it in public really has no effect on me. I would urge you people to take patience with the young people on this team. They are going to miss blocks, drop passes, blow coverages, not get off blocks, etc. We can't throw them under the bus every time a rookie makes a rookie mistake.
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09-08-2008, 08:26 AM	#29
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09-08-2008, 08:34 AM	#30
Phobia Guest Casino cash: $	I'm just thrilled Jason made it through an entire game in Foxboro without a looming suspension. Congratulations on that, Jason. Well done.
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