Chiefs Were our coordinators finally turned loose? - Page 2

**petegz28** · 09-28-2008, 03:52 PM

I cannot help but notice the complete and total change in the playcalling on both sides of the ball. We have all seen Gailey offenses and Gunther defenses of the past and I think we can say what we saw the last 3 weeks were not typical of either.

Today, particularly on defense we seemed to play more agressive, particularly with the LB's.

One has to wonder if Herm's thumb was a little to heavy and maybe after last week the coordinators told him to back off some?

Maybe?

milkman · 09-28-2008, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I thought it sounded less like a Gun defense today, and more like a Tampa-2.

We did set in our zones a lot, but there was a good mix of man and blitzes thrown in.

bishop_74 · 09-28-2008, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by kstater

I'm not going to get all exited. I've fallnen for this trap before. Denver's D sucks, and the Chiefs still gave up 20+ points. The O's 33 points was an aberration, not something that will occur regularly.

They only scored 1 touchdown and 2 of those field goals were pretty impressive (over 50 yards). Thats not typical.

blueballs · 09-28-2008, 07:48 PM

Did Gailey show Huard the fake hand off
for a quick strike to Webb
I about fell out of my chair

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-28-2008, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

I cannot help but notice the complete and total change in the playcalling on both sides of the ball. We have all seen Gailey offenses and Gunther defenses of the past and I think we can say what we saw the last 3 weeks were not typical of either.

Today, particularly on defense we seemed to play more agressive, particularly with the LB's.

One has to wonder if Herm's thumb was a little to heavy and maybe after last week the coordinators told him to back off some?

Maybe?

Stupid ****ing question.

The difference? Experience. The Chiefs have the YOUNGEST TEAM IN THE NFL. After three long weeks, the team is beginning to gel. Huard (sad to say) is the best QB on the roster. Period. The offensive line is beginning to play well together.

Franklin is healthy. The young secondary is beginning to get the hang of things the young D-line isn't wearing out early as in years past. D. Williams showed why he should be a starter.

With the team coming together somewhat and players knowing their assignments, the Coordinators can start expanding their packages and begin to show new looks.

This is a YOUNG team, people. It's not going to happen overnight and hell, it may not happen again next week.

The guys JUST need to continue playing together, gathering experience and preparing for the future.

smittysbar · 09-28-2008, 08:08 PM

2nd youngest team dane, GB is the youngest

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-28-2008, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by smittysbar

2nd youngest team dane, GB is the youngest

26.1 versus 26.0.

And that was BEFORE the beginning of the season. The Chiefs have dumped a few "older" guys since and replaced them with younger players.

Trust me. They're the youngest team in the league.

L.A. Chieffan · 09-28-2008, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

26.1 versus 26.0.

YOU JUST GOT OWNED GREEN BAY!

Zouk · 09-28-2008, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by smittysbar

2nd youngest team dane, GB is the youngest

Only 1 Packer rookie plays on offense or defense (Jordy Nelson). 10 Chief rookies do.

keg in kc · 09-28-2008, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Stupid ****ing question.

The difference? Experience. The Chiefs have the YOUNGEST TEAM IN THE NFL. After three long weeks, the team is beginning to gel. Huard (sad to say) is the best QB on the roster. Period. The offensive line is beginning to play well together.

Franklin is healthy. The young secondary is beginning to get the hang of things the young D-line isn't wearing out early as in years past. D. Williams showed why he should be a starter.

With the team coming together somewhat and players knowing their assignments, the Coordinators can start expanding their packages and begin to show new looks.

This is a YOUNG team, people. It's not going to happen overnight and hell, it may not happen again next week.

The guys JUST need to continue playing together, gathering experience and preparing for the future.

Shut up, Hollywood.

Fire Herm!

FAX · 09-28-2008, 09:37 PM

The playcalling on 1st down was probably a little better, I think. We still ran a lot (which isn't necessarily bad considering LJ was having a career day). The main difference was that we used the pass on a couple of early series quite extensively even though we had the lead (that's kind of shocking, to be honest). All in all, a better job at keeping a defense off balance - especially in the first half. I'm not certain we're completly unpredictable, though. We did, after all, run twice as much as we passed on first down. And, there's this: Last week, we passed a lot in the second half because we had to. This week, we passed because we wanted to. A huge difference in the two games.

I suppose my main complaint in this game would be that (other than the TD pass to Gonzo in the 4th) we never took a shot in the redzone. That seems strange. I guess Herm was worried that we wouldn't get any points at all and would rather have the safe three.

1st down plays.

Run - Middle
Run - Off Tackle
Run - Off Tackle
Pass - Drop Back - Inc
Run - Off Tackle
Pass - Drop Back - Comp
Pass - Drop Back - Comp
Pass - Drop Back - Inc
Pass - Drop Back - Comp
Pass - Drop Back - Inc
Run - Middle
Run - Middle
Kneel Down
Run - End
Run - End
Run - Off Tackle
Run - Off Tackle
Run - Middle
Run - Middle
Run - End
Pass - Drop Back - Inc
Pass - Drop Back - Comp
Run - Off Tackle
Run - Off Tackle
Run - End
Run - Off Tackle
Run - Middle
Run - Middle

19 Runs
8 Passes
3 Incompletions

FAX

**doomy3** · 09-28-2008, 10:45 PM

This is a funny thread because you started a couple threads during the game talking about how bad the coaching was. I guess when we win with that same gameplan, you completely change your mind though.

chiefs1111 · 09-28-2008, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX

The playcalling on 1st down was probably a little better, I think. We still ran a lot (which isn't necessarily bad considering LJ was having a career day). The main difference was that we used the pass on a couple of early series quite extensively even though we had the lead (that's kind of shocking, to be honest). All in all, a better job at keeping a defense off balance - especially in the first half. I'm not certain we're completly unpredictable, though. We did, after all, run twice as much as we passed on first down. And, there's this: Last week, we passed a lot in the second half because we had to. This week, we passed because we wanted to. A huge difference in the two games.

I suppose my main complaint in this game would be that (other than the TD pass to Gonzo in the 4th) we never took a shot in the redzone. That seems strange. I guess Herm was worried that we wouldn't get any points at all and would rather have the safe three.

1st down plays.

Run - Middle
Run - Off Tackle
Run - Off Tackle
Pass - Drop Back - Inc
Run - Off Tackle
Pass - Drop Back - Comp
Pass - Drop Back - Comp
Pass - Drop Back - Inc
Pass - Drop Back - Comp
Pass - Drop Back - Inc
Run - Middle
Run - Middle
Kneel Down
Run - End
Run - End
Run - Off Tackle
Run - Off Tackle
Run - Middle
Run - Middle
Run - End
Pass - Drop Back - Inc
Pass - Drop Back - Comp
Run - Off Tackle
Run - Off Tackle
Run - End
Run - Off Tackle
Run - Middle
Run - Middle

19 Runs
8 Passes
3 Incompletions

FAX

Also when they were running L.J There were more off tackle runs instead of just up the ass every time.

chiefs1111 · 09-28-2008, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX

The playcalling on 1st down was probably a little better, I think. We still ran a lot (which isn't necessarily bad considering LJ was having a career day). The main difference was that we used the pass on a couple of early series quite extensively even though we had the lead (that's kind of shocking, to be honest). All in all, a better job at keeping a defense off balance - especially in the first half. I'm not certain we're completly unpredictable, though. We did, after all, run twice as much as we passed on first down. And, there's this: Last week, we passed a lot in the second half because we had to. This week, we passed because we wanted to. A huge difference in the two games.

I suppose my main complaint in this game would be that (other than the TD pass to Gonzo in the 4th) we never took a shot in the redzone. That seems strange. I guess Herm was worried that we wouldn't get any points at all and would rather have the safe three.

1st down plays.

Run - Middle
Run - Off Tackle
Run - Off Tackle
Pass - Drop Back - Inc
Run - Off Tackle
Pass - Drop Back - Comp
Pass - Drop Back - Comp
Pass - Drop Back - Inc
Pass - Drop Back - Comp
Pass - Drop Back - Inc
Run - Middle
Run - Middle
Kneel Down
Run - End
Run - End
Run - Off Tackle
Run - Off Tackle
Run - Middle
Run - Middle
Run - End
Pass - Drop Back - Inc
Pass - Drop Back - Comp
Run - Off Tackle
Run - Off Tackle
Run - End
Run - Off Tackle
Run - Middle
Run - Middle

19 Runs
8 Passes
3 Incompletions

FAX

Also when they were running L.J There were more off tackle runs instead of just up the ass every time. That was nice to see

kaplin42 · 09-28-2008, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan

We couldn't score 1st and goal within the 10 twice in 1st quarter. Let's not start sucking our dicks just yet.

Best point in this thread. To me it seems that the players came to play, but the coaches didn't. I don't know if it's Herm handcuffing Gaily, or Gunther just being inept. But the play calling was absolutely atrocious today, as it has been for the last several years. How many times did we run a swing pass, or a dump off? Finally after getting clobbered again and again, they realized they had to change the plan.

In all honesty, we saw some good things today, some really good things. LJ looked great, the o-line looked like they actually belonged on a pro team(not all pro, but just good enough to be getting paid), Bowe actually caught the ball and the secondary on defense was damn good. But really, Denver is the better team, and the reason the Chiefs won, was because they looked passed us. They watched tape of the last 3 weeks, and thought to themselve that we can't even get out of our own way, so why the hell even bother.

Today's win, while great, and the game was a lot of fun to watch and was very exciting, needs to be kept in perspective. Last week, we didnt get a first down until 8:59 in the second quarter. And the two weeks before, were no picnic either.

Face facts, we won because of the "Any given Sunday" rule, and not because the Chiefs are a power house of any magnitude. King Carl, and Herm still need the boot after this season, so do Croyle, Huard, and the entire front office staff. We have some young exciting players, give them the chance to excel in this league and make the Chiefs competitors. But with the leadership the team has now, it will never, ever, happen.

Hammock Parties · 09-28-2008, 11:25 PM

I don't think some of you realize that they aren't always calling a swing pass. Sometimes - GASP - the guy running in the flat is the only player open.

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Last week, we didnt get a first down until 8:59 in the second quarter. And the two weeks before, were no picnic either.

TYLER THIGPEN.

We had a "pro" quarterback under center today. Shocking that we looked competent on offense. Shocking, I say.

09-28-2008, 03:52 PM
petegz28 Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks Casino cash: $-1105873	Were our coordinators finally turned loose? I cannot help but notice the complete and total change in the playcalling on both sides of the ball. We have all seen Gailey offenses and Gunther defenses of the past and I think we can say what we saw the last 3 weeks were not typical of either. Today, particularly on defense we seemed to play more agressive, particularly with the LB's. One has to wonder if Herm's thumb was a little to heavy and maybe after last week the coordinators told him to back off some? Maybe?
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09-28-2008, 07:48 PM	#18
blueballs Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Casino cash: $10004900	Did Gailey show Huard the fake hand off for a quick strike to Webb I about fell out of my chair
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09-28-2008, 09:37 PM	#25
FAX testing ... 1, 2, 3 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Tennessee Casino cash: $6753759	The playcalling on 1st down was probably a little better, I think. We still ran a lot (which isn't necessarily bad considering LJ was having a career day). The main difference was that we used the pass on a couple of early series quite extensively even though we had the lead (that's kind of shocking, to be honest). All in all, a better job at keeping a defense off balance - especially in the first half. I'm not certain we're completly unpredictable, though. We did, after all, run twice as much as we passed on first down. And, there's this: Last week, we passed a lot in the second half because we had to. This week, we passed because we wanted to. A huge difference in the two games. I suppose my main complaint in this game would be that (other than the TD pass to Gonzo in the 4th) we never took a shot in the redzone. That seems strange. I guess Herm was worried that we wouldn't get any points at all and would rather have the safe three. 1st down plays. Run - Middle Run - Off Tackle Run - Off Tackle Pass - Drop Back - Inc Run - Off Tackle Pass - Drop Back - Comp Pass - Drop Back - Comp Pass - Drop Back - Inc Pass - Drop Back - Comp Pass - Drop Back - Inc Run - Middle Run - Middle Kneel Down Run - End Run - End Run - Off Tackle Run - Off Tackle Run - Middle Run - Middle Run - End Pass - Drop Back - Inc Pass - Drop Back - Comp Run - Off Tackle Run - Off Tackle Run - End Run - Off Tackle Run - Middle Run - Middle 19 Runs 8 Passes 3 Incompletions FAX
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09-28-2008, 10:45 PM	#26
doomy3 Supporter Join Date: Aug 2005 Casino cash: $3143539	This is a funny thread because you started a couple threads during the game talking about how bad the coaching was. I guess when we win with that same gameplan, you completely change your mind though.
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