Chiefs Rand: Clark is being prudent - Page 2

shaneo69 · 10-21-2008, 11:19 AM

An owner's dilemma
Oct 21, 2008, 8:38:24 AM by Jonathan Rand

With the Chiefs’ latest lopsided loss, you can expect fans to resume their exasperation with chairman Clark Hunt for saying that coach Herm Edwards and president Carl Peterson are doing a good job rebuilding the team.

Fans want to hear Hunt tell them that he shares their pain and frustration, and no doubt would welcome an angry ultimatum to his entire football operation.

But that’s not how a good owner operates, and Hunt in a recent Kansas City Star interview said that he’s staying the course. Publicly chewing out his coach and front office might briefly give an owner a “Joe the Plumber” moment of popularity, but would serve mainly to demoralize and divide the very people he’s trying to help succeed.

Firing NFL coaches during a season is relatively rare and usually futile, the 2-0 start of the Rams’ Jim Haslett notwithstanding. Once a season starts, football teams are like concrete that’s been allowed to dry, and it’s too late to tear it all up.

An offense and defense are meticulously crafted and married to the available personnel. Once the season starts, a team is on a 16-game roller coaster ride, and good luck trying to get out of your car. An owner has to keep the faith that the decisions he signed off on were sound ones unless 16 games tell him otherwise.

In baseball, you can follow through on a managerial shakeup by calling up minor-league prospects and making a major trade or two. The NFL has no minor leagues and the relatively few important trades are made before the season. If you acquire draft picks, they can’t help you now.

It would be naïve to believe that Hunt doesn’t grasp what he’s been watching for six games. Having graduated first in his class at SMU, played soccer there and having watched the Chiefs most of his life, you can bet that he’s keenly aware of all their shortcomings.

But it’s unwise to evaluate a team at its peak or valley, and the Chiefs clearly have reached bottom. Their offense and defense are among the NFL’s worst.

The Brodie Croyle era has probably ended before it really started. Former Pro Bowl running back Larry Johnson, with his irresponsible behavior, seems determined to fulfill his prophecy that the Chiefs are trying to phase him out.

Hunt could be excused if all this made him scream. It’s to his credit that he hasn’t.

The New York Yankees’ George Steinbrenner was once the poster child for the populist owner who rips his managers and players, to the delight of fans. But the record shows that his tirades bred instability and underachievement, and that his Yankees enjoyed their greatest success when he finally stuck with one manager, Joe Torre, and began respecting sound personnel advice.

Giving his people the benefit of the doubt, however, often leads an owner into the “vote of confidence” trap. If he fires somebody after giving a vote of confidence, he’s considered inept, indecisive or dishonest.

But if he withholds a vote of confidence – even by uttering a simple “no comment” — he’s seen as pulling the rug out from under his people. For the owner of a losing team, this is truly a no-win situation.

As poorly as the Chiefs played Sunday in a 34-10 loss to the Tennessee Titans, no reasonable NFL owner pulls the plug on a rebuilding program after only six games. For Hunt to call for a restart at this point would make a tough situation worse.

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2008/10...wners_dilemma/

Reerun_KC · 10-21-2008, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by oaklandhater

How come everyone ignores the shit you spew out of your mouth you insult any one who criticises the chiefs if no one else has the balls to say it I wil your an A$$Hole.

Unless you qoute him, most of us doesnt even know he exists...

oaklandhater · 10-21-2008, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by mikey23545

Looks like it's time for you to put your blanket on the floor and get a good nap.

Talking down to me only makes you look like more of an ass you hootie and fish arrogance amazes me.

BIG_DADDY · 10-21-2008, 11:58 AM

Gimme a break.

mikey23545 · 10-21-2008, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Unless you qoute him, most of us doesnt even know he exists...

Ah, I knew this thread would draw the village idiot out eventually....

CoMoChief · 10-21-2008, 12:00 PM

IMO there's a difference between rebuilding a football team and just flat out playing shitty football.

The Chiefs are playing flat out butt ****ing shitty football.

Hardly ever throwing more than yd routes is not rebuilding.

Having coaches say things like "We need confidence that if it doesn't work 1,2,3,4,5,6 times, that it will work the 7th time."

The above comment is directly alone why this coaching staff needs to be axed. It's very well cut and dry that coming into games this team is FAAAAR from being prepared to face any NFL calibur team, and maybe even some college teams.....no I'm not kidding.

This isn't rebuilding. You don't rebuild by trading your best and only defensive player whos only 26. You don't move a mediocre LE to RE and expect him to play well against opposing LT's in this league. You don't rebuild by starting a 7th rd pick whom we picked off of waivers and play him in reg season games when it's the most important position on the field. That right there gives no hope in rebuilding.

This team's coaching staff and front office needs to be blown up. The coaching staff doesn't know what they're doing ...(literally) and the players are to the point where they have lost hope in the coaching staff and once that happens a team as a whole will not recover.

And with the rest of our schedule, I don't see us winning one single game. Maybe CIN, but that games on the road so you can scratch that as a loss. I can't remember the last game we won on the road..... SD last season maybe? I dunno.

If Clark can't see whats going on here, it's because he doesn't care as long as he's still making his $50M profit, or he delegates too much to Carl and is so hands off that he just doesn't see whats going on which is my guess, hell he didn't even know we were wanting to trade LJ.

Granted blowing things up may not do anything now, but there better be major changes from the top down coming this offseason.

Mark Cuban wouldn't allow this shit to happen. Just a thought.

ChiefsCountry · 10-21-2008, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mikey23545

You posters are the reason it's not a good idea to have kindergartners running a sports franchise.

Pretty much spot on.

patteeu · 10-21-2008, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

amazing....Petro talking on 810 saying that Priest said, he wouldnt have been signed unless trent was traded to KC, the chiefs likely would've started a rebuilding period if that didnt happen. Intersting

I can remember many callers on KC sports talk radio wanting to draft either Michael Bennett, Duece McAllister, or Drew Brees with the 12th pick overall that year before it was traded to St. Louis.

Deberg_1990 · 10-21-2008, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

I can remember many callers on KC sports talk radio wanting to draft either Michael Bennett, Duece McAllister, or Drew Brees with the 12th pick overall that year before it was traded to St. Louis.

Or there was talk of trading for Corey Dillon as well wasnt there?

ChiefsCountry · 10-21-2008, 12:07 PM

Franchise would have been better off taking Brees. I was pretty pissed at the time for passing on him, Trent was a great guy and good QB but Brees would have been the better choice.

shaneo69 · 10-21-2008, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mikey23545

You posters are the reason it's not a good idea to have kindergartners running a sports franchise.

And blind homer fans like you are the reason incompetents like Carl Peterson are allowed to run a franchise for 15 years without building a team good enough to win a single playoff game.

But hey, let's continue cherishing that one magical season of 1993 when Carl's team got embarrassed in the AFC Championship game by a team that was then blown out in the Super Bowl.

Wow, what a resume Carl's put together.

smittysbar · 10-21-2008, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by shaneo69

And blind homer fans like you are the reason incompetents like Carl Peterson are allowed to run a franchise for 15 years without building a team good enough to win a single playoff game.

But hey, let's continue cherishing that one magical season of 1993 when Carl's team got embarrassed in the AFC Championship game by a team that was then blown out in the Super Bowl.

Wow, what a resume Carl's put together.

patteeu · 10-21-2008, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Or there was talk of trading for Corey Dillon as well wasnt there?

I don't remember for sure if that was at the same time or not, but it seems like there were other RB options in the mix. Priest was under my radar though.

oaklandhater · 10-21-2008, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by shaneo69

And blind homer fans like you are the reason incompetents like Carl Peterson are allowed to run a franchise for 15 years without building a team good enough to win a single playoff game.

But hey, let's continue cherishing that one magical season of 1993 when Carl's team got embarrassed in the AFC Championship game by a team that was then blown out in the Super Bowl.

Wow, what a resume Carl's put together.

QFT

oaklandhater · 10-21-2008, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Pretty much spot on.

being talked down to from a mccain palin supporter priceless.....

HC_Chief · 10-21-2008, 12:25 PM

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Fans want to hear Hunt tell them that he shares their pain and frustration, and no doubt would welcome an angry ultimatum to his entire football operation.

But that’s not how a good owner operates

Yeah, a "good" owner lives 500+ miles away from the city which hosts "his" team and allows a slimeball scumbag run the operation as his own personal fiefdom. That's worked out sooooo very well for us since 1970.

10-21-2008, 11:19 AM
shaneo69 Smug Weasel Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Bleachers at Busch Casino cash: $10004900	Rand: Clark is being prudent An owner's dilemma Oct 21, 2008, 8:38:24 AM by Jonathan Rand With the Chiefs’ latest lopsided loss, you can expect fans to resume their exasperation with chairman Clark Hunt for saying that coach Herm Edwards and president Carl Peterson are doing a good job rebuilding the team. Fans want to hear Hunt tell them that he shares their pain and frustration, and no doubt would welcome an angry ultimatum to his entire football operation. But that’s not how a good owner operates, and Hunt in a recent Kansas City Star interview said that he’s staying the course. Publicly chewing out his coach and front office might briefly give an owner a “Joe the Plumber” moment of popularity, but would serve mainly to demoralize and divide the very people he’s trying to help succeed. Firing NFL coaches during a season is relatively rare and usually futile, the 2-0 start of the Rams’ Jim Haslett notwithstanding. Once a season starts, football teams are like concrete that’s been allowed to dry, and it’s too late to tear it all up. An offense and defense are meticulously crafted and married to the available personnel. Once the season starts, a team is on a 16-game roller coaster ride, and good luck trying to get out of your car. An owner has to keep the faith that the decisions he signed off on were sound ones unless 16 games tell him otherwise. In baseball, you can follow through on a managerial shakeup by calling up minor-league prospects and making a major trade or two. The NFL has no minor leagues and the relatively few important trades are made before the season. If you acquire draft picks, they can’t help you now. It would be naïve to believe that Hunt doesn’t grasp what he’s been watching for six games. Having graduated first in his class at SMU, played soccer there and having watched the Chiefs most of his life, you can bet that he’s keenly aware of all their shortcomings. But it’s unwise to evaluate a team at its peak or valley, and the Chiefs clearly have reached bottom. Their offense and defense are among the NFL’s worst. The Brodie Croyle era has probably ended before it really started. Former Pro Bowl running back Larry Johnson, with his irresponsible behavior, seems determined to fulfill his prophecy that the Chiefs are trying to phase him out. Hunt could be excused if all this made him scream. It’s to his credit that he hasn’t. The New York Yankees’ George Steinbrenner was once the poster child for the populist owner who rips his managers and players, to the delight of fans. But the record shows that his tirades bred instability and underachievement, and that his Yankees enjoyed their greatest success when he finally stuck with one manager, Joe Torre, and began respecting sound personnel advice. Giving his people the benefit of the doubt, however, often leads an owner into the “vote of confidence” trap. If he fires somebody after giving a vote of confidence, he’s considered inept, indecisive or dishonest. But if he withholds a vote of confidence – even by uttering a simple “no comment” — he’s seen as pulling the rug out from under his people. For the owner of a losing team, this is truly a no-win situation. As poorly as the Chiefs played Sunday in a 34-10 loss to the Tennessee Titans, no reasonable NFL owner pulls the plug on a rebuilding program after only six games. For Hunt to call for a restart at this point would make a tough situation worse. http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2008/10...wners_dilemma/
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10-21-2008, 12:00 PM	#20
CoMoChief Mahomes Dynasty Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $7662254	IMO there's a difference between rebuilding a football team and just flat out playing shitty football. The Chiefs are playing flat out butt ****ing shitty football. Hardly ever throwing more than yd routes is not rebuilding. Having coaches say things like "We need confidence that if it doesn't work 1,2,3,4,5,6 times, that it will work the 7th time." The above comment is directly alone why this coaching staff needs to be axed. It's very well cut and dry that coming into games this team is FAAAAR from being prepared to face any NFL calibur team, and maybe even some college teams.....no I'm not kidding. This isn't rebuilding. You don't rebuild by trading your best and only defensive player whos only 26. You don't move a mediocre LE to RE and expect him to play well against opposing LT's in this league. You don't rebuild by starting a 7th rd pick whom we picked off of waivers and play him in reg season games when it's the most important position on the field. That right there gives no hope in rebuilding. This team's coaching staff and front office needs to be blown up. The coaching staff doesn't know what they're doing ...(literally) and the players are to the point where they have lost hope in the coaching staff and once that happens a team as a whole will not recover. And with the rest of our schedule, I don't see us winning one single game. Maybe CIN, but that games on the road so you can scratch that as a loss. I can't remember the last game we won on the road..... SD last season maybe? I dunno. If Clark can't see whats going on here, it's because he doesn't care as long as he's still making his $50M profit, or he delegates too much to Carl and is so hands off that he just doesn't see whats going on which is my guess, hell he didn't even know we were wanting to trade LJ. Granted blowing things up may not do anything now, but there better be major changes from the top down coming this offseason. Mark Cuban wouldn't allow this shit to happen. Just a thought. __________________
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