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Old 10-27-2008, 03:38 PM  
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Singletary's Rant on Vernon Davis
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Old 10-27-2008, 03:57 PM   #16
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I was referring more to his main thrust---that the team triumphs over the individual. To be an effective coach, you have to be a fascist--literally.

The whole idea of fascism is based on fasces. A bundle of sticks. Individually, you can break any one. Bound together, they are unbreakable.

He needs to cut out the cancer first. And if it has to be an invasive removal of Vernon Davis, so be it. He's already a sunk cost.
I'm not really disagreeing with the premise, I'm disagreeing with the way he went about it. I don't think you should publicly berate players, it generally won't end well.

If he doesn't like Vernon Davis great, keep it in house.
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Old 10-27-2008, 03:58 PM   #17
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Awesome.
substitute LJ for Davis and it rings just as true....
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Old 10-27-2008, 04:01 PM   #18
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The entire presser was pretty cool ... his formula for success ...

Number One: We go out and hit people in the mouth.
Number Two: We are not a charity - we don't give them the game.
Number Three: We execute from the very start of the game to the very end.

I like his "no excuses" attitude very much.

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Old 10-27-2008, 04:04 PM   #19
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I'm not really disagreeing with the premise, I'm disagreeing with the way he went about it. I don't think you should publicly berate players, it generally won't end well.

If he doesn't like Vernon Davis great, keep it in house.
Who knows what went on behind closed doors with Nolan though.

In the longer version of the PC, he was asked what he said to his players, and he said he was going to keep that in house.

I see this as a way of establishing his imprint on the team and asserting himself as a leader rather than a lame duck. None of the guys on that team, save maybe Frank Gore, Clements, or Justin Smith, would have dick for pull with that organization.

If he feels that Davis needs to have either a fire lit under his ass, or needs to GTFO, this is his way of doing it. Whether or not it will be successful is yet to be seen. But he just pulled one of the oldest leadership moves in the book. Assert your presence with authority by making an example of some sorry one who sucks the penis.

Of course, I ****ing love Singletary and wanted him here in '06, so I'm not really all that objective about him.
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Old 10-27-2008, 04:05 PM   #20
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I'm not really disagreeing with the premise, I'm disagreeing with the way he went about it. I don't think you should publicly berate players, it generally won't end well.

If he doesn't like Vernon Davis great, keep it in house.
Why should he keep it in house? He doesn't like his attitude and BS and I'm glad he called him on it.

Society today is filled with a pack of bitches. If Davis wants to act like a bitch, then Singletary had every right to treat him like one.

I'm tired of people tiptoeing around the truth.

Singletary was massively refreshing yesterday.
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I'm pretty sure Patrick Willis has some pull...

Maybe he should berate his entire offense because none of those guys are any good. They are a cast of entirely role and bad players. I'm not really sure anyone could succeed in it.
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Old 10-27-2008, 04:10 PM   #22
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I'm pretty sure Patrick Willis has some pull...

Maybe he should berate his entire offense because none of those guys are any good. They are a cast of entirely role and bad players. I'm not really sure anyone could succeed in it.
It doesn't have anything to do with being "any good."

It has everything to do with putting yourself above the team.
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Old 10-27-2008, 04:10 PM   #23
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I still don't think that's a good approach in todays game.
you don't have to do these things all the time. its the timing of when you do do them. i think his first game was a perfect time for MS to change the tone.
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Well my simple point is he should probably try something to make that work because Davis is still one of the few talented players on an offense that lacks talent.
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Well my simple point is he should probably try something to make that work because Davis is still one of the few talented players on an offense that lacks talent.
Define talent.

It appears to me that athletically, Vernon Davis has all the talent in the world.

But it doesn't seem to be translating to the football field.

In this case, that's somewhat important.
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Anybody have the video of what happened on the field and the sidelines during that game?
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I'm pretty sure Patrick Willis has some pull...

Maybe he should berate his entire offense because none of those guys are any good. They are a cast of entirely role and bad players. I'm not really sure anyone could succeed in it.
Forgot about Willis.

They have some pieces. Staley, Chilo Rachal, and Cody Wallace is a start to a good o-line. Kentwan Balmer could be a good 3-4 end. Manny Lawson has the tools. Willis is already one of the best LB's in the league. Reggie Smith is a nice talent too.

That team is actually a hell of a lot closer than we are. They need some time for the line to gel, a quarterback, and a legit #1 receiver.
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Define talent.

It appears to me that athletically, Vernon Davis has all the talent in the world.

But it doesn't seem to be translating to the football field.

In this case, that's somewhat important.
They need to try to do something to get something from him, he has talent, I don't think they're going to give up on him tomorrow so they need to try something to make that work.

The fact that they've never even had a decent QB in his time probably goes into that. He's a young player, who's been injured, never played with a QB or on a good team his attitude or supposed attitude isn't overly surprising.
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