I hate John Gruden! - Page 2

Dax27 · 09-10-2001, 09:28 AM

I know he is one of the most promising young coaches in the NFL, but I if I see this cocky bastard jumping up and down in the middle of arrowhead one more time I will break my TV!!!:mad:

PunkinDrublic · 09-10-2001, 11:36 AM

The thought of Chucky Gruden dancing like a ferry on arrowhead stadium instantly pisses me off!! The Chiefs had better when in Oakland or I will lose it.

Gaz · 09-10-2001, 11:40 AM

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Gruden is a good coach. He put an end to the "fade" stigma that used to haunt the Raiders. His Happy Dance is a bit irritating, but winning gives him the right to do so.

Who was it who said act like you've been there before?

xoxo~
Gaz
Has nothing personal against Gruden.
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Ethelyn · 09-10-2001, 11:42 AM

I hear you. Maybe that's his motivation.

MrBlond · 09-10-2001, 11:47 AM

I think Gruden is the type of guy you only like if he is on your side. I like my head coaches to be a little more reserved and dignified. HOWEVER, if he coaches KC...I love him. (Well, like him a lot anyway)

stevieray · 09-10-2001, 12:00 PM

But the more I think about it, it's really a compliment. Beating the Chiefs at Arrowhead IS a big deal. If he really thought we sucked, I don't think he would be celebrating. These victories mean something to him. And rightfully so.

Packfan · 09-10-2001, 02:15 PM

That sounds like jealousy.

Gruden is a very good coach. Beat him, and you wont see the obnoxious dance. Things changed in Oakland when he came on board (it helps that they took Gannon from the Chiefs and gave them Chester and Gunter). Thats the kind of guy the Chiefs need. A diciple from a successful program (Green Bay). Steve Marucci, Andy Reid, Mike Sherman, and Jon Gruden were all coaches under Holmgren in Green Bay. All have winning attitudes, all know what it takes, all are young. Gruden turned Oakland around, Ried has turned Philly around, Marucci has rebuilt the 49ers, and Sherman is 10-7 since he took over Green Bay.

NaptownChief · 09-10-2001, 02:17 PM

Sherman going 10-7 didn't prove anything except maybe that he is no Ray Rhodes...

Dax27 · 09-10-2001, 03:02 PM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Packfan [/i]
[B]That sounds like jealousy. [/B][/QUOTE]

What the hell are you talking about! I started the thread by saying he might be one of the best young coaches in the NFL.

I could've been jealous if we still had Gunther and no sense of direction, but Vermeil is a proven coach. He has done it not once, but twice! (How many rings has Gruden gotten as a head coach?).

Even if Gruden turns out to be better in the long run, I prefer Vermeil with the situation we are in right now. We don't have much time to turn the franchise around, so we needed the best, and Vermeil has proven to be the best at turning franchises around in short periods of time.

Let's see what happens when the Raiders fall short of the superbowl again, and Mr. Al "Nuts" Davis goes berserk against Gruden, will see if he can handle the pressure! We might see him jumping like a freak again, but into the bay. :)

I never said he was a bad coach, but his behavior is just dumb, and arrogant. Maybe, like some people said, if he was on our side I might look at him different. Maybe Dick Vermeil might try the jumping thing after each win, but I am afraid he may break a hip or something. :)

Packfan · 09-10-2001, 03:08 PM

Yea, jealousy that the Chiefs dont have him. As far as Vermeil, he would be a great coaching choice for the Chiefs if he were 15 years younger.
You said he is the Chiefs best choice because the Chiefs "dont have much time to turn the franchise around". Are the Chiefs in jeopardy of moving? Why is this so urgent?? I seriously doubt the Chiefs are turning anything around while Dick Vermeil is here. The Chiefs need draft picks. And the top two draft picks were used on a backup QB and Vermeil himself. Thats not the most efficient way to build a winner.

MrBlond · 09-10-2001, 03:49 PM

Ken,

Check out how many draft picks DV had when he took over Philly. And that was before free agency when the draft was even more critical. I foresee you bringing DVs age into this so please include Marv Levys turnaround in Buf. when you do.

htismaqe · 09-10-2001, 03:55 PM

God, since Ken guaranteed me that I don't have to monitor him anymore, I put him on ignore.

The only time I have to deal with him now is if someone complains...

Packfan · 09-10-2001, 04:08 PM

Blond,

I am not saying Vermeil doesnt have a great track record. He does. But I doubt he will be able to turn this team around before he is 70 years old. They just dont have any young talent. Gonzalez is great. I hear how Edwards is great too, but I just dont see it. Given Carl Peterson's draft record, and his record of pssing away draft picks, AND his recrd of letting productive players walk for nothing (Gannon, Grbac, Horn), I just dont see a Chiefs team challenging for a ring under him. You and I both know he will be here as long as he wants. Hes not going anywhere as long as the seats are full.

Marv Levy had incredible talent at Buffalo. Can Vermeil get the same type of talent? I dont think so. Not with Peterson.

kcchiefs222001 · 09-10-2001, 04:09 PM

I would have loved to have seen the Chiefs player that knocked out Biekert go lay a good one on Gruden at the end of the game. I think that pretty much tells you how I feel.

VAChief · 09-10-2001, 04:11 PM

PF...I would agree that taking Chester off Oakland's hands was a mistake...but not Gunther...he was hired as our DC and our D was pretty solid under his tutelage (not to mention..fun to watch)...hiring Gunther later as the head coach was the mistake (at least with what he ultimately was surrounded with anyway)...

I can't stand Gruden either and it has nothing to do with jealousy...I just can't stand his mug period...no real reason...other than the little "Hitler jig" he has taken to performing when they beat us...emotion is one thing...(ie pumping your fist, hugging players, slapping high fives, etc.)...running down the sideline like a little leaguer who got his first hit just strikes me as plain bush league...but of course it will just be sweeter watching him go postal when we do beat him, and things will turn eventually...even our 90's dominance over greasy Al turned when it seemed it never would...

Payback is a bit#h!

Packfan · 09-10-2001, 04:12 PM

Htmsque,

I never "guaranteed" you anything. Quit the BSing. If there is one thing that wont change, its my candor. If you do have me on Coward, I mean Ignore, thats good for me and the rest of the board.

BTW, I thought it was your "job" to monitor the board?? Did you get fired again?

Dont talk out of both sides of your mouth. There are to many smart people here that will call you on it.

09-10-2001, 09:28 AM
Dax27 Rookie Join Date: Sep 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	I hate John Gruden! I know he is one of the most promising young coaches in the NFL, but I if I see this cocky bastard jumping up and down in the middle of arrowhead one more time I will break my TV!!!:mad:
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09-10-2001, 11:36 AM	#16
PunkinDrublic Stay down bitch! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Plano, TX Casino cash: $4300670	The thought of Chucky Gruden dancing like a ferry on arrowhead stadium instantly pisses me off!! The Chiefs had better when in Oakland or I will lose it. __________________ Disappointing my parents since 1976
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09-10-2001, 11:40 AM	#17
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	Hate? Naw... [font=Garamond][size=4] Gruden is a good coach. He put an end to the "fade" stigma that used to haunt the Raiders. His Happy Dance is a bit irritating, but winning gives him the right to do so. Who was it who said act like you've been there before? xoxo~ Gaz Has nothing personal against Gruden. [/font][/size]
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09-10-2001, 11:42 AM	#18
Ethelyn Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Houston Casino cash: $10004900	I hear you. Maybe that's his motivation. __________________ Ethelyn L.
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09-10-2001, 11:47 AM	#19
MrBlond Lets Rock. Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: South of the border. Casino cash: $10004900	I think Gruden is the type of guy you only like if he is on your side. I like my head coaches to be a little more reserved and dignified. HOWEVER, if he coaches KC...I love him. (Well, like him a lot anyway) __________________ "I can handle things, I'm smart, not like everybody says, like dumb, I'm smart, and I want respect!"
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09-10-2001, 12:00 PM	#20
stevieray Most things I worry about… Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Under Pressure Casino cash: $-1394727	it is irritating But the more I think about it, it's really a compliment. Beating the Chiefs at Arrowhead IS a big deal. If he really thought we sucked, I don't think he would be celebrating. These victories mean something to him. And rightfully so.
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09-10-2001, 02:15 PM	#21
Packfan Starter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI, Door Casino cash: $10004900	That sounds like jealousy. Gruden is a very good coach. Beat him, and you wont see the obnoxious dance. Things changed in Oakland when he came on board (it helps that they took Gannon from the Chiefs and gave them Chester and Gunter). Thats the kind of guy the Chiefs need. A diciple from a successful program (Green Bay). Steve Marucci, Andy Reid, Mike Sherman, and Jon Gruden were all coaches under Holmgren in Green Bay. All have winning attitudes, all know what it takes, all are young. Gruden turned Oakland around, Ried has turned Philly around, Marucci has rebuilt the 49ers, and Sherman is 10-7 since he took over Green Bay. __________________ Ken Dienberg
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09-10-2001, 02:17 PM	#22
NaptownChief Football Pimp Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Indianapolis,IN Casino cash: $9974900	Sherman going 10-7 didn't prove anything except maybe that he is no Ray Rhodes... __________________ "We weren't worth a damn," the Kansas City Chiefs head coach said, shaking his head. "I'm not worth a damn. No one's worth a damn..." Former President of the Eric Downing Fan Club and Current President of the Kris"Secret Weapon"Wilson Fan Club
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09-10-2001, 03:02 PM	#23
Dax27 Rookie Join Date: Sep 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Packfan [/i] [B]That sounds like jealousy. [/B][/QUOTE] What the hell are you talking about! I started the thread by saying he might be one of the best young coaches in the NFL. I could've been jealous if we still had Gunther and no sense of direction, but Vermeil is a proven coach. He has done it not once, but twice! (How many rings has Gruden gotten as a head coach?). Even if Gruden turns out to be better in the long run, I prefer Vermeil with the situation we are in right now. We don't have much time to turn the franchise around, so we needed the best, and Vermeil has proven to be the best at turning franchises around in short periods of time. Let's see what happens when the Raiders fall short of the superbowl again, and Mr. Al "Nuts" Davis goes berserk against Gruden, will see if he can handle the pressure! We might see him jumping like a freak again, but into the bay. :) I never said he was a bad coach, but his behavior is just dumb, and arrogant. Maybe, like some people said, if he was on our side I might look at him different. Maybe Dick Vermeil might try the jumping thing after each win, but I am afraid he may break a hip or something. :)
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09-10-2001, 03:08 PM	#24
Packfan Starter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI, Door Casino cash: $10004900	Yea, jealousy that the Chiefs dont have him. As far as Vermeil, he would be a great coaching choice for the Chiefs if he were 15 years younger. You said he is the Chiefs best choice because the Chiefs "dont have much time to turn the franchise around". Are the Chiefs in jeopardy of moving? Why is this so urgent?? I seriously doubt the Chiefs are turning anything around while Dick Vermeil is here. The Chiefs need draft picks. And the top two draft picks were used on a backup QB and Vermeil himself. Thats not the most efficient way to build a winner. __________________ Ken Dienberg
Posts: 938

09-10-2001, 03:49 PM	#25
MrBlond Lets Rock. Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: South of the border. Casino cash: $10004900	Ken, Check out how many draft picks DV had when he took over Philly. And that was before free agency when the draft was even more critical. I foresee you bringing DVs age into this so please include Marv Levys turnaround in Buf. when you do. __________________ "I can handle things, I'm smart, not like everybody says, like dumb, I'm smart, and I want respect!"
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09-10-2001, 03:55 PM	#26
htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $8069900	God, since Ken guaranteed me that I don't have to monitor him anymore, I put him on ignore. The only time I have to deal with him now is if someone complains...
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09-10-2001, 04:08 PM	#27
Packfan Starter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI, Door Casino cash: $10004900	Blond, I am not saying Vermeil doesnt have a great track record. He does. But I doubt he will be able to turn this team around before he is 70 years old. They just dont have any young talent. Gonzalez is great. I hear how Edwards is great too, but I just dont see it. Given Carl Peterson's draft record, and his record of pssing away draft picks, AND his recrd of letting productive players walk for nothing (Gannon, Grbac, Horn), I just dont see a Chiefs team challenging for a ring under him. You and I both know he will be here as long as he wants. Hes not going anywhere as long as the seats are full. Marv Levy had incredible talent at Buffalo. Can Vermeil get the same type of talent? I dont think so. Not with Peterson. __________________ Ken Dienberg
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09-10-2001, 04:09 PM	#28
kcchiefs222001 Rookie Join Date: Aug 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	I would have loved to have seen the Chiefs player that knocked out Biekert go lay a good one on Gruden at the end of the game. I think that pretty much tells you how I feel.
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09-10-2001, 04:11 PM	#29
VAChief Comfortably Numb Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Virginia Casino cash: $2144657	PF...I would agree that taking Chester off Oakland's hands was a mistake...but not Gunther...he was hired as our DC and our D was pretty solid under his tutelage (not to mention..fun to watch)...hiring Gunther later as the head coach was the mistake (at least with what he ultimately was surrounded with anyway)... I can't stand Gruden either and it has nothing to do with jealousy...I just can't stand his mug period...no real reason...other than the little "Hitler jig" he has taken to performing when they beat us...emotion is one thing...(ie pumping your fist, hugging players, slapping high fives, etc.)...running down the sideline like a little leaguer who got his first hit just strikes me as plain bush league...but of course it will just be sweeter watching him go postal when we do beat him, and things will turn eventually...even our 90's dominance over greasy Al turned when it seemed it never would... Payback is a bit#h!
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09-10-2001, 04:12 PM	#30
Packfan Starter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI, Door Casino cash: $10004900	Htmsque, I never "guaranteed" you anything. Quit the BSing. If there is one thing that wont change, its my candor. If you do have me on Coward, I mean Ignore, thats good for me and the rest of the board. BTW, I thought it was your "job" to monitor the board?? Did you get fired again? Dont talk out of both sides of your mouth. There are to many smart people here that will call you on it. __________________ Ken Dienberg
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