Football Vick Found Dog fighting to be Funny - Page 2

Fairplay · 11-22-2008, 04:31 AM

Hes a sick man.

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USDA: Vick found dogfighting 'funny to watch'
Report details QB placing pets in ring vs. pit pulls, failing polygraph test

RICHMOND, Va. - Michael Vick put family pets in rings with pit bulls and thought it was funny watching the trained killers injure or kill the helpless dogs, a witness told federal investigators during the dogfighting investigation that brought Vick down.

In a 17-page report filed Aug. 28, 2008, by case agent James Knorr of the U.S. Department of Agriculture and released Friday under the Freedom of Information Act, a person identified as confidential witness No. 1 said Vick placed pets in the ring against pit bulls owned by “Bad Newz Kennels” at least twice and watched as the pit bulls “caused major injuries.”

The witness said Vick and co-defendants Purnell Peace and Quanis Phillips “thought it was funny to watch the pit bull dogs belonging to Bad Newz Kennels injure or kill the other dogs.”

Vick was sentenced to 23 months in prison in Dec. 2007, and is due to be released from the federal prison at Leavenworth, Kan., on July 20, 2009. He returned to Virginia on Thursday and is being held in Hopewell pending his appearance in Surry County Circuit Court on Tuesday, where he is expected to plead guilty to two felony charges but receive a suspended sentence.

The report, which has some names and other information redacted to protect some of the parties involved, also details the killing of several dogs at property Vick owned on Moonlight Road in Surry County in mid-April 2007, just days before the first search warrant was executed on the property, turning a drug investigation into the one that sent Vick to prison.

It says Vick was administered a polygraph test by the FBI in October 2007 and denied taking part in the killing of dogs in mid-April. When told he had failed that part of the test, Vick recanted his story and admitted to helping hang six to eight underperforming dogs.

The former Atlanta Falcons quarterback, once the highest paid player in the NFL, has been suspended indefinitely by the league and his football future is uncertain. He’s also in the midst of bankruptcy proceedings with $16 million in assets and $20.4 million in liabilities.

Peace, who also was convicted in the case, said there were times he suggested that dogs unwilling to fight be given away, but that Vick said “they got to go,” meaning be killed.

The dogs were killed by shooting, hanging, electrocution and drowning, and in at least one instance, according to one of the witnesses, when Vick and Phillips killed a red pit bull by “slamming it to the ground several times before it died, breaking the dog’s back or neck.”

When he finally admitted to his role in the dogfighting operation, Vick also said he purchased his first pull bull, named “Champagne,” while a student at Virginia Tech in 1999. The dog was never used in fights, but was bred with other dogs, according to the report.

Champagne was among the 53 pit bulls seized from the home in a raid in

BWillie · 11-22-2008, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Yeah, there's absolutely nothing malicious about slamming a dog's head into the ground repeatedly until its neck breaks.

I'm sorry that you have no compassion for animals.

If you could do this to a dog, you could easily do the same to a human.

Hmmmmm, well I have no point to kill a dog. I don't even own a dog. I typically kill animals to eat them. Like when I shoot a bow and arrow through a deer, and I hit it in the gut. It runs around for a long time in agony then it dies. Then I eat it.

Man, I should go to prison for 2 years.

Look, I'm not saying what Mike Vick did was right. I just don't understand how EVERYBODY is freaking out because he killed an animal. If you eat meat, have ever hunted, then you are a hypocrite plain and simple.

Personally I'm more concerned that the issue of underground gambling. If people want to be upset, they should be upset about that. I don't really understand why gambling is illegal in the first place, but that is a whole another story. Gambling is just a tax on stupid people. Everything in life is a gamble. Whether to buy a house, invest in the stock market, put money in a risky business venture, etc.

ferrarispider95 · 11-22-2008, 10:17 AM

Dammit we should had joey send a message from chiefsplanet to vick

BWillie · 11-22-2008, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Yeah, there's absolutely nothing malicious about slamming a dog's head into the ground repeatedly until its neck breaks.

I'm sorry that you have no compassion for animals.

If you could do this to a dog, you could easily do the same to a human.

I completely disagree that if someone can kill an animal, they could do the same thing to a human. That is the most ridiculous statement I've ever heard. So that means, that ever person in the world that has ever hunted, should be placed on a watch list like the sex offender list to make sure they don't murder a human being.

Look, animals can be owned. Humans cannot. Slavery is abolished is it not?

Tell me. What is the difference between a farmer killing his livestock and someone killing a dog in dog fighting? They are both getting paid for it. Is it because dogs are cute and pigs, cows, and other livestock are stupid and ugly? Man, I'm glad we don't use this logic on humans or we'd just kill mentally handicapped children when they came out of the womb..

Pablo · 11-22-2008, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by MOhillbilly

this is old news. i dont care that he fought dogs. i do care that he showed zero respect to his culls. hanging a dog that doesnt preform should have gotten his ass blackballed or handed to him. the oldtimers must be rolling in there graves.

Is this dog-fighting jargon?

**The Bad Guy** · 11-22-2008, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by BWillie007

I completely disagree that if someone can kill an animal, they could do the same thing to a human. That is the most ridiculous statement I've ever heard. So that means, that ever person in the world that has ever hunted, should be placed on a watch list like the sex offender list to make sure they don't murder a human beings.

Look, animals can be owned. Humans cannot.

Tell me. What is the difference between a farmer killing his livestock and someone killing a dog in dog fighting? They are both getting paid for it. Is it because dogs are cute and pigs, cows, and other livestock are stupid and ugly? Man, I'm glad we don't use this logic on humans or we'd just kill mentally handicapped children when they came out of the womb..

If you can MALICIOUSLY kill an animal like Vick did, you could do the same to a human. I'm not even going round and round about this. If you think that it's a perfectly normal thing to slam a dog's head off the ground until his neck breaks, you need a straight jacket as well.

Delano · 11-22-2008, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by BWillie007

Hmmmmm, well I have no point to kill a dog. I don't even own a dog. I typically kill animals to eat them. Like when I shoot a bow and arrow through a deer, and I hit it in the gut. It runs around for a long time in agony then it dies. Then I eat it.

Man, I should go to prison for 2 years.

Look, I'm not saying what Mike Vick did was right. I just don't understand how EVERYBODY is freaking out because he killed an animal. If you eat meat, have ever hunted, then you are a hypocrite plain and simple.

Personally I'm more concerned that the issue of underground gambling. If people want to be upset, they should be upset about that. I don't really understand why gambling is illegal in the first place, but that is a whole another story.

How about you gain the perspective of having a pet dog before speaking any more on the subject.

There are laws that prohibit dog fighting; there are laws that govern deer hunting. Comparing the two is ridiculous, but if you must do you hunt deer without a tag? If you graze a deer's spine and paralyze it, do you torture it before it dies?

Delano · 11-22-2008, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by GonzoRox88

Is this dog-fighting jargon?

What? Using there instead of their?

**The Bad Guy** · 11-22-2008, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by BWillie007

Hmmmmm, well I have no point to kill a dog. I don't even own a dog. I typically kill animals to eat them. Like when I shoot a bow and arrow through a deer, and I hit it in the gut. It runs around for a long time in agony then it dies. Then I eat it.

Man, I should go to prison for 2 years.

Look, I'm not saying what Mike Vick did was right. I just don't understand how EVERYBODY is freaking out because he killed an animal. If you eat meat, have ever hunted, then you are a hypocrite plain and simple.

Personally I'm more concerned that the issue of underground gambling. If people want to be upset, they should be upset about that. I don't really understand why gambling is illegal in the first place, but that is a whole another story. Gambling is just a tax on stupid people. Everything in life is a gamble. Whether to buy a house, invest in the stock market, put money in a risky business venture, etc.

I've never hunted, but Vick wasn't killing these animals to feed himself. He was torturing them.

Last time I checked as well, you couldn't hunt dogs.

bishop_74 · 11-22-2008, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by BWillie007

It's a DOG. An animal that he owned. He did not steal someone's animal and kill it. We should put farmers in jail for two years when they blow the head off of a kind friendly little calf and then you go and eat it. I honestly don't know what at the difference is. You can't pick and chose what animals you can own and kill just because you have an emotional connection to them. It's simply not logical.

Somewhere OJ is sitting around watching Tv saying man this Vick guy got fucked.

Yeah... humanely killing an animal for consumption or putting it out of it's misery is the same as watching other living beings tortured for your amusement. Good comparison there.

BWillie · 11-22-2008, 10:37 AM

I think you all should join Peta. Look, if I killed a dog I would feel bad about it. I'm not condoning what Vick did. I'm saying that two years for killing dogs is a joke. People get the same amount of time for rape and other crimes MUCH MUCH worse than this.

So what you are telling me, is if a farmer electrocutes a pig with malicious intent...lets just say he enjoys doing this sort of thing....it would be the same thing? An animal is an animal. Doesn't matter what it is. If you think what Mike Vick did was so horrible and you are one of those people saying he is such a horrible sick person that is fine, but I would expect you to be a vegetarian or an animal rights activist who is a strong proponent to end all animal suffering of all kind.

tomahawk kid · 11-22-2008, 10:45 AM

Wow.

There are some sick, heartless fucks on this board.

All I'll say is this - karma's a real mother fucker boys.

Best of luck.

**The Bad Guy** · 11-22-2008, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by BWillie007

I think you all should join Peta. Look, if I killed a dog I would feel bad about it. I'm not condoning what Vick did. I'm saying that two years for killing dogs is a joke. People get the same amount of time for rape and other crimes MUCH MUCH worse than this.

So what you are telling me, is if a farmer electrocutes a pig with malicious intent...lets just say he enjoys doing this sort of thing....it would be the same thing? An animal is an animal. Doesn't matter what it is. If you think what Mike Vick did was so horrible and you are one of those people saying he is such a horrible sick person that is fine, but I would expect you to be a vegetarian or an animal rights activist who is a strong proponent to end all animal suffering of all kind.

I really thought you were a dumb ****er on this board before, but you just took it to an entirely new level.

How about you own a dog before you comment on this thread.

BWillie · 11-22-2008, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

I really thought you were a dumb ****er on this board before, but you just took it to an entirely new level.

How about you own a dog before you comment on this thread.

Did you even read my post you fucking moron? I have owned a dog before, when I was younger and it was a great pet. I have a huge fat cat right now, and I would be devastated if it were to pass away. I never said I would kill a dog. The point that you people fail to realize is

A) It makes no difference what type of animal is killed, or at least it shouldn't.

B) If you believe Vick should be punished as severely as he did, and are appalled that he killed an a dog, that is your prerogative. I understand that point of view completely. My point is if that is what you believe, then you need to be a vegetarian, otherwise you are a hypocrite.

Take away your emotions away from your pets, and think for a moment. Then it may become clear at what point I'm trying to make.

Delano · 11-22-2008, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by BWillie007

Did you even read my post you fucking moron? I have owned a dog before, when I was younger and it was a great pet. I have a huge fat cat right now, and I would be devastated if it were to pass away. I never said I would kill a dog. The point that you people fail to realize is

A) It makes no difference what type of animal is killed, or at least it shouldn't.

B) If you believe Vick should be punished as severely as he did, and are appalled that he killed an a dog, that is your prerogative. I understand that point of view completely. My point is if that is what you believe, then you need to be a vegetarian, otherwise you are a hypocrite.

Take away your emotions away from your pets, and think for a moment. Then it may become clear at what point I'm trying to make.

I'm a hypocrite for wanting Vick punished for torturing his cull dogs but eating my parents' beef products? I am a hypocrite because I am a sportsman and follow high sportsman ethic, but eat the product and at the same time want brutal animal killers sent to prison?

I have to be honest here, I shared your opinion when I was 20 or so. Recently, I've been personally responsible for a dog and watched him suffer from a genetic defect and die. I realize now that dogs (and other types of pets) can not be compared to animals that provide food. Those that argue otherwise are plainly acting difficult for their own ends.

**Buehler445** · 11-22-2008, 11:19 AM

I think the legislative intent of the dogfighting laws was the torture aspect and I'd imagine most guys here are on board with that. When you smoke a deer you don't put it through any undue stress or pain. There is stress and pain because you are killing it, but the malicious intent is not there.

The relativity to other crimes is an entirely different issue. Rapists should be locked up for quite some time.

11-22-2008, 04:31 AM
Fairplay A certain set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: texas Casino cash: $10026683 VARSITY	Vick Found Dog fighting to be Funny Hes a sick man. .... USDA: Vick found dogfighting 'funny to watch' Report details QB placing pets in ring vs. pit pulls, failing polygraph test RICHMOND, Va. - Michael Vick put family pets in rings with pit bulls and thought it was funny watching the trained killers injure or kill the helpless dogs, a witness told federal investigators during the dogfighting investigation that brought Vick down. In a 17-page report filed Aug. 28, 2008, by case agent James Knorr of the U.S. Department of Agriculture and released Friday under the Freedom of Information Act, a person identified as confidential witness No. 1 said Vick placed pets in the ring against pit bulls owned by “Bad Newz Kennels” at least twice and watched as the pit bulls “caused major injuries.” The witness said Vick and co-defendants Purnell Peace and Quanis Phillips “thought it was funny to watch the pit bull dogs belonging to Bad Newz Kennels injure or kill the other dogs.” Vick was sentenced to 23 months in prison in Dec. 2007, and is due to be released from the federal prison at Leavenworth, Kan., on July 20, 2009. He returned to Virginia on Thursday and is being held in Hopewell pending his appearance in Surry County Circuit Court on Tuesday, where he is expected to plead guilty to two felony charges but receive a suspended sentence. The report, which has some names and other information redacted to protect some of the parties involved, also details the killing of several dogs at property Vick owned on Moonlight Road in Surry County in mid-April 2007, just days before the first search warrant was executed on the property, turning a drug investigation into the one that sent Vick to prison. It says Vick was administered a polygraph test by the FBI in October 2007 and denied taking part in the killing of dogs in mid-April. When told he had failed that part of the test, Vick recanted his story and admitted to helping hang six to eight underperforming dogs. The former Atlanta Falcons quarterback, once the highest paid player in the NFL, has been suspended indefinitely by the league and his football future is uncertain. He’s also in the midst of bankruptcy proceedings with $16 million in assets and $20.4 million in liabilities. Peace, who also was convicted in the case, said there were times he suggested that dogs unwilling to fight be given away, but that Vick said “they got to go,” meaning be killed. The dogs were killed by shooting, hanging, electrocution and drowning, and in at least one instance, according to one of the witnesses, when Vick and Phillips killed a red pit bull by “slamming it to the ground several times before it died, breaking the dog’s back or neck.” When he finally admitted to his role in the dogfighting operation, Vick also said he purchased his first pull bull, named “Champagne,” while a student at Virginia Tech in 1999. The dog was never used in fights, but was bred with other dogs, according to the report. Champagne was among the 53 pit bulls seized from the home in a raid in
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11-22-2008, 10:45 AM	#26
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11-22-2008, 11:19 AM	#30
Buehler445 Supporter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Scott City KS Casino cash: $834734	I think the legislative intent of the dogfighting laws was the torture aspect and I'd imagine most guys here are on board with that. When you smoke a deer you don't put it through any undue stress or pain. There is stress and pain because you are killing it, but the malicious intent is not there. The relativity to other crimes is an entirely different issue. Rapists should be locked up for quite some time.
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