Nick Athan.."Herm is 50/50 on coming back"

[petegz28]

On the sports spot right now.

What are the requirements to get hired at WPI?

I mean, a 50/50 chance....Athan must have some real inside connections.

[Brock]

It's great for Nick, because either way he gets to be right for a change.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by FringeNC

I'm guessing it would be unprecedented for a front office to be blown up, and a HC with a terrible record keeping his job.

Dayton Moore was hired in '06 and Buddy Bell stayed on through '07, so perhaps it's a KC thing?

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by Claythan

The team.

As in players right?

I can see where they would be 50/50 on him. As someone stated they are used to winning and producing, when you add them to a coach that isnt used to winning or producing on this level, you feel cheated and let down.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by FringeNC

I'm guessing it would be unprecedented for a front office to be blown up, and a HC with a terrible record keeping his job.

Yeah, because the record tells the entire story.



I remember the good ol' days of 2007 when the Chiefs roster was loaded with veteran talent! Man, that was awesome!

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Dayton Moore was hired in '06 and Buddy Bell stayed on through '07, so perhaps it's a KC thing?

Moore did the right thing. Keep the current guy while you bring in the players...then get a coach in that knows WTF he is doing.


Not sure that can really work with football though. But, with all the rookies and such, I can see the new guy keeping Herm one more year while he focuses on players.

Face it, we need players. We don't need 3-4 or 4-3 or under center or whatever, we just need people who can play football and do things like, oh I don't know, tackle, block, cover, kick FG's?

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

As in players right?

I can see where they would be 50/50 on him. As someone stated they are used to winning and producing, when you add them to a coach that isnt used to winning or producing on this level, you feel cheated and let down.

No, ownership.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yeah, because the record tells the entire story.




I remember the good ol' days of 2007 when the Chiefs roster was loaded with veteran talent! Man, that was awesome!

Let's forget the overall record. How many years does Herm get to fix a defense? This was his calling card. When he was hired he said, above all else, he was going to build a solid defense.

And we're still waiting.

[cdcox]

Originally Posted by FringeNC

I'm guessing it would be unprecedented for a front office to be blown up, and a HC with a terrible record keeping his job.

This.

If Clark is serious about keeping Herm (not just saying things to the media) it is really disappointing and doesn't bode well for the future of the Chiefs. It shows a lack of understanding about the almost certain personality conflicts between a new GM and a lousy hold over coach. It could also seriously scare away the best candidates.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Moore did the right thing. Keep the current guy while you bring in the players...then get a coach in that knows WTF he is doing.


Not sure that can really work with football though. But, with all the rookies and such, I can see the new guy keeping Herm one more year while he focuses on players.

Face it, we need players. We don't need 3-4 or 4-3 or under center or whatever, we just need people who can play football and do things like, oh I don't know, tackle, block, cover, kick FG's?

I'm all for improving talent. We just had this discussion a day or two ago. Talent dwarfs all.

That said, I don't understand the logic, in any sport, of keeping a sub-par coach.

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Let's forget the overall record. How many years does Herm get to fix a defense? This was his calling card. When he was hired he said, above all else, he was going to build a solid defense.

And we're still waiting.

And we will be waiting, His talent evaluation is leaving alot to be desired to say the least...

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by cdcox

This.

If Clark is serious about keeping Herm (not just saying things to the media) it is really disappointing and doesn't bode well for the future of the Chiefs. It shows a lack of understanding about the almost certain personality conflicts between a new GM and a lousy hold over coach. It could also seriously scare away the best candidates.

basically it would give a us a yes man GM that has zero control over the HC and a HC that will run and cry to the owner everytime the GM makes him mad...

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I'm all for improving talent. We just had this discussion a day or two ago. Talent dwarfs all.

That said, I don't understand the logic, in any sport, of keeping a sub-par coach.

Priorities? Can't change everything at once?

I agree but to be pragmatic about it I can see why they would keep a sub-par coach, temporarily.

If the coach I really want isn't available but will be next year, let's say, then you would keep Herm for 1 more year.

[Coach]

It would be a very wise idea to let him go. You cannot do a "full" rebuild if you are just going to get a new GM, and still retain a coach, who has proven over and over and over that he is not suited for the job.

Miami shitcanned Cam Cameron
Atlanta hired their own coach

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Let's forget the overall record. How many years does Herm get to fix a defense? This was his calling card. When he was hired he said, above all else, he was going to build a solid defense.

And we're still waiting.

Flowers, Carr, Leggett, Dorsey. That's four rookie starters from ONE draft (the draft that HE controlled). More than likely, at least two of those players will be future Pro Bowlers. Tank Tyler and Turk McBride are both close to making an impact (though McBride belongs inside IMO).

The Chiefs drafted like shit for nearly 20 years. You can't expect Herm to create a great offense or defense with one year of his choices.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by petegz28

If the coach I really want isn't available but will be next year, let's say, then you would keep Herm for 1 more year.

Well, this might be the only possibility. And you better be 100 percent confident that: 1. You can get your target. 2. The current coach won't continue to screw things up too badly.

As a GM, once you decide that the coach you have cannot get it done, that's the day the coach should be fired. Immediately. The very moment you arrive, solidly, at that realization.