Chiefs Players: Don't Blame Herm

[KCJohnny]

Chiefs Players: Don't Blame Herm

• Among the players lobbying for Herm Edwards’ retention as Chiefs coach was QB Tyler Thigpen, whom Edwards has identified as his anticipated starter in 2009 should he be around to make that decision.

“I hope we’re not playing for his job,” said Thigpen, who saw the Chiefs build the “Pistol” offense around his spread-quarterback abilities at midseason.

“We’ve had some tough ones this year, but I don’t think his job should be in jeopardy,” Thigpen added. “He’s done what he should have done this year. Don’t blame him at all. If anyone wants to say that, come take it up with me.”

• Added Pro Bowl G Brian Waters, who was selected to his fourth Pro Bowl last week:

“Herm, without a shadow of a doubt, is the most resilient person in this organization. He understands the cards he was dealt when he got here (in 2006), and he understands what he has to deal with this season.

“If anybody leads by example, it’s him. He comes to work every day with the same energy, and he has not let this situation affect him one way or another. I don’t know of many coaches that could hold it together through the things we’ve had to go through for the past three years. I think a lot of coaches in that situation would be looking for the door.”

Reading the tea leaves, if Edwards is retained, Thiggy could be his guy. With Quinn Gray as a similarly styled athletic shotgun QB, the mold could be set for Pistol II. Chan Gailey is somehow omitted from the article, the true architect of the KC Pistol. I am wondering if Gailey's style of offense is ultimately welcome in Herm's scheme of maneuver. The low TOP figures (a mere 25 minutes last Sunday) and low rushing attempts (just 15 carries for RBs) are not BucBall.

I think that if Herm is retained (as some players seem to support) that Gailey should be given a blank check and maybe even some more weapons. Clearly, the emerging strength of the team is it's offense. Makes you wonder what a new GM/HC tandem might do with the Chiefs' roster...

[MahiMike]

Don't you guys know by now that you can't trust anything these guys say? They're all politicians; players, coaches, GM's. What we really need is a mole. Doesn't anyone have a cousin that works as the towel boy in the locker room?

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

In many cases, the players don't ever blame the coach. Hell, I remember a bunch of Huskers who were constantly defending Callahan...it's like Stockholm Syndrome. And when you have a bunch of young players, it's easy for them to fall into that spell. Herm is a good man, he's out there doing his best every day, and the players respect that. They are not the best eyes to use when talking about the performance of the head coach...hell, most of them don't know any other coach in the NFL, so they've got nothing to compare it too.

...guys like TG, (who I believe is pretty supportive of Herm as well), are just optimistic and positive by nature. You'll rarely hear them complain about things, and TG is usually uber-optimistic.

This....


By all acounts Herm is a good man. This is why its so hard for people to come down on him.

[Dartgod]

Originally Posted by MahiMike

Don't you guys know by now that you can't trust anything these guys say? They're all politicians; players, coaches, GM's. What we really need is a mole. Doesn't anyone have a cousin that works as the towel boy in the locker room?

No you've done it. You have exposed Nick Athan's source.

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

This....


By all acounts Herm is a good man. This is why its so hard for people to come down on him.

This is a business, he isnt preforming up to NFL standards.... He might be a nice delusional guy, but we expect progress and development... He is epic failing in those areas...

[KCJohnny]

Pretty disappointing to ascribe Stockhold Syndrome and political motivations to the players' endorsement of Herm. The only reason I changed my mind about Herm is that I was lucky enough to have breakfast with Brian Billick in FEB 08 while I was in Baghdad and he told us that Herm was deeply respected around the NFL as a quality, character leader and that the Chiefs were lucky to have him.

Now if if any of you knuckleheads have won a SB like coach Billick, please show me where he was wrong.

Maybe I'm just a delusional homer, but statements made in the combat zone often have a serious, sincere quality. Vets, help me out here.

[Dartgod]

Originally Posted by KCJohnny

...Herm was deeply respected around the NFL as a quality, character leader and that the Chiefs were lucky to have him.

I don't doubt his motivation and leadership skills. I do doubt his ability to coach an NFL team to the Super Bowl, however.

Maybe I'm just a delusional homer, but statements made in the combat zone often have a serious, sincere quality. Vets, help me out here.

Here we go...

[Brock]

I don't care who the players like or want as a coach. The Giants used to hate Tom Coughlin, until he made them into superstars who never have to pay for another meal in NY.

[Agent V]

Originally Posted by KCJohnny

Maybe I'm just a delusional homer, but statements made in the combat zone often have a serious, sincere quality. Vets, help me out here.

What does that have to do with it?

[Sure-Oz]

4-12 and 2-13 at this point.....there is no excuse...the man shouldn't be the HC of this team

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by KCJohnny

Pretty disappointing to ascribe Stockhold Syndrome and political motivations to the players' endorsement of Herm. The only reason I changed my mind about Herm is that I was lucky enough to have breakfast with Brian Billick in FEB 08 while I was in Baghdad and he told us that Herm was deeply respected around the NFL as a quality, character leader and that the Chiefs were lucky to have him.

Now if if any of you knuckleheads have won a SB like coach Billick, please show me where he was wrong.

Maybe I'm just a delusional homer, but statements made in the combat zone often have a serious, sincere quality. Vets, help me out here.

I have always said that it is truly odd that so many of the NFL coaches, players, and analysts truly respect Herm as a coach.... yet the fans here think he is the worst ever.

The difference is that they have experience with the NFL and can see the hand Herm was dealt.

Herm has only been allowed to rebuild one year. One. Sure, he has three drafts. And, oddly, those three drafts have yielded more talent than the seven drafts prior to it.

I don't expect Herm and the scouting department to be perfect. I just expect them to go about building the Chiefs the right way.

They have.

Of course the players endorse him. Of course coaches like Billick, Shannahan and Gruden have endorsed him. Of course guys like Phil Simms has endorsed him. Of course, several guys on the Jets have talked about how much better Herm was as a coach.

They all have a true knowlege base to make a decision.

I am as frustrated as the next guy about certain things regarding Herm Edwards. But, EVERY coach has strengths and weaknesses.

All the complaints about Herm were very similar to the complaints about Bill Belichick until he stumbled onto this guy Tom Brady in the sixth round.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by Brock

I don't care who the players like or want as a coach. The Giants used to hate Tom Coughlin, until he made them into superstars who never have to pay for another meal in NY.

Oddly.... so did the fans. Hmmm. He was a much too conservative coach that was 'mediocre' at best.

[Agent V]

This fanbase has some kind of obsession with holding on to EVERYTHING. Past and present, good or bad. Let the **** go and let this team develop into something new we haven't seen before: a winner.

[RustShack]

As soon as Herm is fired all the players will be on the "it was time for a change" "he just couldn't get it done" bandwagon. "our new coach is a better fit" "we have a better chance to get it done now". yada yada yada

They aren't going to bad mouth their current coach.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Oddly.... so did the fans. Hmmm. He was a much too conservative coach that was 'mediocre' at best.

At least Coughlin knows what he's doing on the sidelines.

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by KCJohnny

Pretty disappointing to ascribe Stockhold Syndrome and political motivations to the players' endorsement of Herm. The only reason I changed my mind about Herm is that I was lucky enough to have breakfast with Brian Billick in FEB 08 while I was in Baghdad and he told us that Herm was deeply respected around the NFL as a quality, character leader and that the Chiefs were lucky to have him.

Now if if any of you knuckleheads have won a SB like coach Billick, please show me where he was wrong.

Maybe I'm just a delusional homer, but statements made in the combat zone often have a serious, sincere quality. Vets, help me out here.

Dude, we've heard the story. The fact BB doesn't trash the guy, doesn't make him a good coach. The fact that he's well respected does not make him a good coach. His win loss record tells the story....Period.