Enough of the "close games" BS

[FringeNC]

Here's some sobering stats on league rankings for both point differentials and yardage differentials. These are appalling stats.

Year points yards
2005 9 1
2006 13 17
2007 26 24
2008 29 26

These are not the statistics of a team headed in the right direction. Sorry.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by KCJohnny

I think there is a duplicitous application of realistic expectations here.
On the one hand, the consensus was "rip it up by the roots and start all over again - go young, build with the draft." That consensus opinion was well-informed about the bad season(s) necessary to pursue that course of action. They seemed willing to accept the bad season(s) if it led to long term success.

Now the same consensus is complaining that the Chiefs aren't winning enough. That's hypocritical. Can't have it both ways. This team is exactly where they should be and clearly they have bottomed out and are climbing. Many times I have mentioned the '89 'Boys (1-15) and the '98 Colts (3-13) that both became dynasties after going young and suffering through a bad season or two. It takes time. The sheer amount of close games is a key indicator that this youngest of all NFL squads is right on pace. That's exactly what was happening to the 1-15 Dolphins last year. We'll be the '08 Dolphins next year.

Damn it you ****ing moron.

Pay the **** attention.

Most people aren't pissed about the rebuild.

They're pissed because these young guys had opportunities to win games, but the stupid ****ing coaches failed them.

And, sadly, those same stupid ****ing coaches look like Einstein next to your dumb ass.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by KCJohnny

I stand corrected about Taylor - but didn't they pick up 3 starters in the off season via FA?

The Dolphins are on a trajectory to win big. 1-15 followed by 11-5 followed by (possibly) 13-3. You can't always get it done in one season. The Cowboys had an 8-8 season between the 1-15 year and the playoff runs. DV was 9-23 with StL before that lightning-in-a-bottle 13-3 SB season. There were a LOT of close losses with the '98 Rams. Close losses can be indicators of a team's trajectory towards improvement or decline. Clearly the Chiefs have been in decline snce 2006. We bottomed out this year with the youth movement and losing a lot of close games. That can be an indicator of positive movement.

Yeah, but here is the difference--

That Rams team had a ton of talent in place for that run. I think that if Chad Pennington has proven anything over his career its that he's not the kind of guy that can carry a team. Yeah, he can manage one, but that's about it. Joey Porter can't be expected to remain a good rusher for much longer, and their secondary is nothing to write home about that.

When you combine that with the very real possibility that they lack any kind of playmakers on the outside, and you have a team that is constructed almost tit for tat like the 1990's Chiefs. Ted Ginn seems more like Az Hakim than Steve Smith, and Davone Bess may be a good slot guy, but that's not a lot of talent to really work with.

That team is coached as well as any in the league, played the NFC West 4 times, as well as the Chiefs, Broncos, Raiders, Chargers, and Texans.

They aren't going to have 8 games against the two worst divisions in football next year, and they won't face the last place teams from the year before either. To assume that they are as good as their record is to seriously overrate the strength of their schedule and the quality of the veterans that they brought in (really a bunch of recycled Parcells guys).

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Yeah, but here is the difference--

That Rams team had a ton of talent in place for that run. I think that if Chad Pennington has proven anything over his career its that he's not the kind of guy that can carry a team. Yeah, he can manage one, but that's about it. Joey Porter can't be expected to remain a good rusher for much longer, and their secondary is nothing to write home about that.

When you combine that with the very real possibility that they lack any kind of playmakers on the outside, and you have a team that is constructed almost tit for tat like the 1990's Chiefs. Ted Ginn seems more like Az Hakim than Steve Smith, and Davone Bess may be a good slot guy, but that's not a lot of talent to really work with.

That team is coached as well as any in the league, played the NFC West 4 times, as well as the Chiefs, Broncos, Raiders, Chargers, and Texans.

They aren't going to have 8 games against the two worst divisions in football next year, and they won't face the last place teams from the year before either. To assume that they are as good as their record is to seriously overrate the strength of their schedule and the quality of the veterans that they brought in (really a bunch of recycled Parcells guys).

NO MAN THEY WERE 1-15 LAST YEAR AND 11-5 THIS YEAR SO THE CHIEFS WILL DO THAT, TOO! CUS HERM IS AWESOME! THE MOST AWESOME CATHOLIC ALIVE!

[notorious]

You may have nice parts lying around, but you need the proper mechanic with the right tools to rebuild something special.


Parts = Players
Tools = Chiefsplanet posters////// J/K Coaches
Mechanic = GM

Right now our parts are questionable, our tools are Tools, and our Mechanic has yet to be determined.

[damaticous]

ANyone can twist and turn statistics, but what it really comes down to is win/loss.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

1) The Dolphins didn't snatch up Jason Taylor, they traded him. They traded for Jason Ferguson.
2) Why would you want to be the Dolphins? Their ceiling is basically 10-11 wins, and they are going to get annihilated in the playoffs. Haven't you seen this script enough to know how the movie ends?

Why do people want to relive the 90's? It was a freaking failure.

Yup. I've also seen the script that Herm, Mangini, Norv, and Sean Payton wrote that says that the Dolphins probably won't make the playoffs next season. I think they're squeaking into the playoffs on a gimmick offense that will be schemed against next season.

[KCJohnny]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Yeah, but here is the difference--

That Rams team had a ton of talent in place for that run. I think that if Chad Pennington has proven anything over his career its that he's not the kind of guy that can carry a team. Yeah, he can manage one, but that's about it. Joey Porter can't be expected to remain a good rusher for much longer, and their secondary is nothing to write home about that.

When you combine that with the very real possibility that they lack any kind of playmakers on the outside, and you have a team that is constructed almost tit for tat like the 1990's Chiefs. Ted Ginn seems more like Az Hakim than Steve Smith, and Davone Bess may be a good slot guy, but that's not a lot of talent to really work with.

That team is coached as well as any in the league, played the NFC West 4 times, as well as the Chiefs, Broncos, Raiders, Chargers, and Texans.

They aren't going to have 8 games against the two worst divisions in football next year, and they won't face the last place teams from the year before either. To assume that they are as good as their record is to seriously overrate the strength of their schedule and the quality of the veterans that they brought in (really a bunch of recycled Parcells guys).

Good analysis. Your prognosis then is that if they play to their actual talent level and strength of schedule they go 7-9 in 2009? I can't say I agree with that. This has been Pennington's most productive season. I am not as pessimistic as you about their defense.

The only reason I brought up Miami is that they were losing a lot of really close games last year, added some key FAs and here they are playing in January. What will they do in 2009 and 2010? Who knows. Either way, the Chiefs are much younger and their defense nowhere close to where Miami's was last year. And still KC had competed in 10 of their 15 contests. If the Chiefs were not the youngest team in the NFL executing a total rebuild of their program, I would not be so optomistic. Cleveland and Cincy are 2 good examples of teams performing poorly that are not in a total rebuild mode.

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by dj56dt58

why can't people understand this?

Because they are STILL LOSSES. Losing close games tells me that this team has talent, but they have shitty coaching that can't finish the job.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by KCJohnny

The only reason I brought up Miami is that they were losing a lot of really close games last year, added some key FAs and here they are playing in January.

They also replaced their shitbag coach. Funny how you skipped over that.

[blueballs]

enough with the lost by so and so points or less
how about the won by so and so points stats

[EyePod]

Originally Posted by FringeNC

Here's some sobering stats on league rankings for both point differentials and yardage differentials. These are appalling stats.

Year points yards
2005 9 1
2006 13 17
2007 26 24
2008 29 26

These are not the statistics of a team headed in the right direction. Sorry.

Actually, you're completely wrong idiot. Those are stats for a team going in the right direction. We're just on the up end of a parabola. Hopefully, this season is the high point and then we'll see us going down the other side. So **** you and your stupidity. if you notice, the delta is much smaller now, and should flip signs next season. bitch.

[mikey23545]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Yeah, but here is the difference--

That Rams team had a ton of talent in place for that run. I think that if Chad Pennington has proven anything over his career its that he's not the kind of guy that can carry a team. Yeah, he can manage one, but that's about it. Joey Porter can't be expected to remain a good rusher for much longer, and their secondary is nothing to write home about that.

When you combine that with the very real possibility that they lack any kind of playmakers on the outside, and you have a team that is constructed almost tit for tat like the 1990's Chiefs. Ted Ginn seems more like Az Hakim than Steve Smith, and Davone Bess may be a good slot guy, but that's not a lot of talent to really work with.

That team is coached as well as any in the league, played the NFC West 4 times, as well as the Chiefs, Broncos, Raiders, Chargers, and Texans.

They aren't going to have 8 games against the two worst divisions in football next year, and they won't face the last place teams from the year before either. To assume that they are as good as their record is to seriously overrate the strength of their schedule and the quality of the veterans that they brought in (really a bunch of recycled Parcells guys).

So you're saying that the Dolphin's improvement from 1-15 to 11-5 is a sign they're on the wrong track?...

Goddam it, you're a moron.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by mikey23545

So you're saying that the Dolphin's improvement from 1-15 to 11-5 is a sign they're on the wrong track?...

Goddam it, you're a moron.

I don't think that's what he's saying.

But it's a delusioned track.
#1 - you have a first year head coach who has won a lot of games largely because of a gimmick offense. I can guarantee that they won't run the wildcat next year with nearly as much success
- To that point, look at the recent history. Norv Turner, Herm Edwards, Sean Payton, Eric Mangini have taken borrowed teams to the playoffs, and then ended up not making the playoffs the next season (unless Norv backs into the playoffs, but the point still rings true). I'll be convinced of Sparano's success only if he makes the playoffs next season.

#2 - I can agree with Hamas' point as well that the Dolphins are built for short-term success. They have a QB with a long line of injuries on his resume and a star OLB/DE (Porter) who is probably on his last leg. They are a Pennington injury or a Porter retirement away to being a very average if not below average team. And both of those things could easily happen very soon.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by KCJohnny

We lost 8 games by 7 or less and won 2 so far. We only got beaten badly 2 or three times. Bills, Titans and Panthers games.

Youngest team in the NFL. 18 rookies. $32 mil under the cap.

'Nuff said.

Merry Christmas.

I just had a Vermeil flashback -

"You take out the two long runs where they gashed us for 146 yards, and we held them to 73 yards rushing on 28 carries..."

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by dj56dt58

why can't people understand this?

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Because they are STILL LOSSES. Losing close games tells me that this team has talent, but they have shitty coaching that can't finish the job.

We've "almost" been good enough for a long time now, and I, for one, am sick of always being "almost" there. Give me a coach, GM, and coaching staff that will get us there, instead of "almost" there. Shit.