Football ChiefsPlanet 2009 NCAA National Champion - Page 2

**007** · 01-09-2009, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

Tournament = one and done (at least for football). If there is an upset it is part of the system, and that's the way it is.

Ratings based system = what is the best team despite the records. One way to ascertain this is to play a mental tournament, of who would win the majority of games if the series were long enough. This negates the effect of upsets. 7 games seems long enough to dispel any notions of Utah making a run on any of the elite teams.

In a ratings based system you are trying to answer the question, who would win a best of 7 round-robin tournament (each team plays all the others 7 times) between:

Florida
OK
USC
Texas

Or if you want to make the argument that Utah would beat all of these teams 4 out of 7 times, be my guest.

This is why ratings based systems suck. You are always left with these stupid arguments at the end.

AFter what they did to Alabama, I would say they have a chance. Unfortunately, the NCAA does not want to give that chance. Ever.

**cdcox** · 01-09-2009, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Guru

AFter what they did to Alabama, I would say they have a chance. Unfortunately, the NCAA does not want to give that chance. Ever.

Obama is gonna fix this. Book it.

kstater · 01-09-2009, 07:12 AM

I voted for Utah. The naysayers will say, "look at who they played, nobody". But let's face it the big schools don't want to play teams like Boise St or Utah. It sure as hell ain't from the lack of trying. IIRC a couple years ago, some major CFB team had scheduled BSU, and decided they didn't want to play them anymore so they bought them out.

**Lzen** · 01-09-2009, 08:42 AM

Hate to say it, but it is Florida.

And I agree with Doyel. Utah, IMO, would get their butt kicked against Florida.

**Dartgod** · 01-09-2009, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Lzen

Hate to say it, but it is Florida.

And I agree with Doyel. Utah, IMO, would get their butt kicked against Florida.

We will never know.

**Saulbadguy** · 01-09-2009, 10:00 AM

Utah, because K-State is pillaging their coaching staff and it makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside.

**morphius** · 01-09-2009, 10:32 AM

In a system where they like to talk about rankings and a single loss being able to knock you out of the top spot, I have to vote for the Utes. Rankings are such an arbitrary and self serving system, as if the money that gets shared with the rest of the schools within your division doesn't play into the fact that all the coaches and media in that area don't vote to try to keep their teams higher as the bigger bowl game they are in, the more money they all get. Of course waiting 30+ days to play a game really doesn't tell you who the true champion is anyway, as in a months time too many things can get out of sync.

**dirk digler** · 01-09-2009, 11:22 AM

The President-elect weighs in

Quote:

Says in one of the lighter moments of Friday's presser: "If I'm Utah, or if I'm USC or if I'm Texas, I might still have some quibbles... That's why we need a playoff."

View Poll Results: Who should be National Champion?
Florida	24	34.78%
Utah	31	44.93%
USC	8	11.59%
Texas	2	2.90%
Other	2	2.90%
Gaz	2	2.90%
Voters: 69. You may not vote on this poll

01-09-2009, 07:12 AM	#3
kstater Custom User Title Join Date: Jan 2007 Casino cash: $1336563	I voted for Utah. The naysayers will say, "look at who they played, nobody". But let's face it the big schools don't want to play teams like Boise St or Utah. It sure as hell ain't from the lack of trying. IIRC a couple years ago, some major CFB team had scheduled BSU, and decided they didn't want to play them anymore so they bought them out.
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01-09-2009, 08:42 AM	#4
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01-09-2009, 10:00 AM	#6
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01-09-2009, 10:32 AM	#7
morphius World's finest morphius Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $6745027	In a system where they like to talk about rankings and a single loss being able to knock you out of the top spot, I have to vote for the Utes. Rankings are such an arbitrary and self serving system, as if the money that gets shared with the rest of the schools within your division doesn't play into the fact that all the coaches and media in that area don't vote to try to keep their teams higher as the bigger bowl game they are in, the more money they all get. Of course waiting 30+ days to play a game really doesn't tell you who the true champion is anyway, as in a months time too many things can get out of sync.
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