Chiefs Sanchez will throw at combine. - Page 2

SenselessChiefsFan · 02-20-2009, 08:33 AM

Okay, I have been critical of this kid from the start. I really want a franchise QB, but I don't want the Chiefs to reach. There are a lot of QB's that go high under the theory that 'this may be our 'best' chance to get a franchise QB'.

But, with ALL things, I try to be fair minded. I love the fact that this kid is willing to do the full workout at the combine. That shows confidence. That shows courage.

Now, it may also show a lack of level headed decision making. And, at the QB position, you want a guy that doesn't force things. But, I must admit, that I like this move.

BigChiefFan · 02-20-2009, 09:54 AM

Stafford's character worries me more than Sanchez'.

**dirk digler** · 02-20-2009, 09:59 AM

I think this is a good decision and ultimately will help him. Maybe someone will post a video of the workout after it happens

ChiefRon · 02-20-2009, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Are you aware what "elite" talent he was playing with, really list for me all the stud offensive players Sanchez was playing with...

Reality or not, that is the perception, even among scouts. Did you catch the analysis of Sanchez from nfl.com?

Analysis
Positives: Ascending talent whose intangibles for the position are just as impressive as his physical tools. ... Cerebral. ... Reads defenses well and rarely throws into coverage. ... Goes through his progression quickly and takes what the defense gives him. ... Recognizes the blitz very well for a player of his experience and often targets the defenses' weak link when being blitzed. ... Good setup and a smooth, over-the-top delivery. ... Legitimate NFL arm strength. ... Capable of making every NFL throw, including the deep ball. ... Rather than relying on pure arm strength, Sanchez combines good velocity with rare anticipation, especially for a player of his limited experience. ... Consistently releases his passes before his receivers have even made their breaks, giving the defense little time to react. ... Distributes the ball all over the field. ... Good short-, medium-, and long-range accuracy. ... Consistently places his passes where only his receiver can get it and throws a very catchable ball. ... When healthy, showed very surprising mobility for his size. ... Can evade the pass rush and will scramble if the defense gives free yards. ... Rare accuracy on the rollout. ... Squares his shoulders and can fire the ball with consistency and accuracy. ... Team captain. ... Blue-collar work ethic.

Negatives: Only one season as the starter and leaves USC with just 16 career starts. ... Career record of 4-2 outside of the state of California. ... Undeniable tools, but isn't yet a finished product. ... Runs a bit hot and cold and has a tendency to score touchdowns in bunches. ... Characterized by those close to the program as a very cerebral player who makes the right read, but many of his touchdown passes went to receivers with five or more yards of separation between the next closest defender, opening up some questions if USC's dominant athletes and the team's aggressive play-calling helped him look even better. ... Suffered a dislocated left knee cap prior to the season opener and his mobility was limited.

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BigChiefFan · 02-20-2009, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

I think this is a good decision and ultimately will help him. Maybe someone will post a video of the workout after it happens

NFL.com has some clips of the 2009 combine on their website.

You can watch live.

Mecca · 02-20-2009, 10:04 AM

Which is funny because Patrick Turner is in the draft and may not even get drafted and that was one of his starting WR's.

It's like a complete contradiction.

jidar · 02-20-2009, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

You mean elite RB's like the massive disappointment that is Joe McKnight?

Their recruiting stars don't mean shit when they get on the field.

Are you seriously arguing that USC doesn't have talent?

Mecca · 02-20-2009, 10:05 AM

They have talent but it's very young talent or guys who never lived up to what they were suppose to be, it's nothing like people assume it is. There's no Reggie Bushes or Williams or Jarretts there.

Patrick Turner was a major disappoinment, Damian Williams is good but he's not a star, they have a bunch of RB's who are solid but no one is dominant.

ChiefRon · 02-20-2009, 10:05 AM

However, why don't scouts rate intangibles and intelligence as premier qualities?

Montana didn't have the strongest arm, but his intangibles and intelligence are what made him the greatest QB in history...

soundmind · 02-20-2009, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

I think this is a good decision and ultimately will help him. Maybe someone will post a video of the workout after it happens

Looks like the QBs workout on Sunday - should be all over NFLN - but if you don't have it, someone will get Sanchez on YouTube in no time.

Mecca · 02-20-2009, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefRon

However, why don't scouts rate intangibles and intelligence as premier qualities?

Montana didn't have the strongest arm, but his intangibles and intelligence are what made him the greatest QB in history...

You'd think the fact that his report says "very smart, makes the right reads, rarely throws into coverage, very cerebral" would immediately catch everyones eyes as a hugely important thing.

ChiefRon · 02-20-2009, 10:09 AM

Compare it to Stafford's scouting report from the same source:

Analysis
Positives: Perhaps a bit shorter than preferred, but has excellent bulk and strength for the position. ... Durable performer who never missed a college game due to injury, despite a leaky offensive line. ... Efficient footwork and depth on his drop from center. ... Quick to scan the field and go through his progressions. ... Elite arm strength. ... Can make all the throws and shows power and toughness getting the ball deep even when defenders are closing and making contact. ... Consistent with excellent accuracy to all levels of the field. ... Consistent placing the deep out on the far shoulder of his receiver, away from the defender. ... Has good deep accuracy and trajectory. ... Lofts the ball high enough to allow his receiver to run under it. ... Aggressive, but has developed into a smarter passer over his career and will take what the defense gives him by dropping to his second and third options. ... Learning to look off the safety. ... Underrated core strength. ... Keeps his eyes downfield and will step up in the pocket and is willing to take a hit to complete the pass. ... Surprisingly nimble in the pocket and can avoid the rush. ... Underrated straight-line speed and will take what the defense gives him. ... Takes his own success and that of the team very seriously. ... Extremely competitive. ... Team captain. ... Undefeated in bowl games.

Negatives: Can get fundamentally lazy... ... Though he has an efficient overall release, should be able to speed it up for underneath screens passes to take better advantage of the surprise to the defense. ... Sloppy footwork. ... Will get lazy and throw off his back foot, which could lead to turnovers in the NFL... ... Willing to throw into tight spots, though more often than not he places the ball where it needs to be... ... Not great accuracy on crossing routes. ... Too often leads his receivers too far or forces them to reach back, slowing their momentum and limiting their ability to generate yardage after the catch.

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Mecca · 02-20-2009, 10:10 AM

I like how that scouting report basically backs up what a ton of us have said about Sanchez being better coached and more technically sound, and guys were exploding saying we weren't scouts and didn't know shit.

**dirk digler** · 02-20-2009, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

You'd think the fact that his report says "very smart, makes the right reads, rarely throws into coverage, very cerebral" would immediately catch everyones eyes as a hugely important thing.

I like alot of his positives especially being able to recognize the blitz and adjust accordingly. That is a huge plus.

One of his major negative besides experience is the same thing we ragged on about Bradford

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many of his touchdown passes went to receivers with five or more yards of separation between the next closest defender

Mecca · 02-20-2009, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

I like alot of his positives especially being able to recognize the blitz and adjust accordingly. That is a huge plus.

One of his major negative besides experience is the same thing we ragged on about Bradford

To me that isn't as big of a deal with him because Sanchez has a legit arm in a pro style offense and has shown he can make tough throws.

Bradford got to make a ton of easy throws that was my issue with him.

soundmind · 02-20-2009, 10:13 AM

"...many of his touchdown passes went to receivers with five or more yards of separation between the next closest defender, opening up some questions if USC's dominant athletes and the team's aggressive play-calling helped him look even better..."

It opens up questions, but lets see if he makes the throws.

02-20-2009, 08:33 AM
SenselessChiefsFan MVP Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $10005450	Sanchez will throw at combine. Okay, I have been critical of this kid from the start. I really want a franchise QB, but I don't want the Chiefs to reach. There are a lot of QB's that go high under the theory that 'this may be our 'best' chance to get a franchise QB'. But, with ALL things, I try to be fair minded. I love the fact that this kid is willing to do the full workout at the combine. That shows confidence. That shows courage. Now, it may also show a lack of level headed decision making. And, at the QB position, you want a guy that doesn't force things. But, I must admit, that I like this move.
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-722950	Which is funny because Patrick Turner is in the draft and may not even get drafted and that was one of his starting WR's. It's like a complete contradiction.
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02-20-2009, 10:05 AM	#22
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-722950	They have talent but it's very young talent or guys who never lived up to what they were suppose to be, it's nothing like people assume it is. There's no Reggie Bushes or Williams or Jarretts there. Patrick Turner was a major disappoinment, Damian Williams is good but he's not a star, they have a bunch of RB's who are solid but no one is dominant.
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02-20-2009, 10:05 AM	#23
ChiefRon Starter Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Memphis, TN Casino cash: $10004900	However, why don't scouts rate intangibles and intelligence as premier qualities? Montana didn't have the strongest arm, but his intangibles and intelligence are what made him the greatest QB in history...
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02-20-2009, 10:09 AM	#26
ChiefRon Starter Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Memphis, TN Casino cash: $10004900	Compare it to Stafford's scouting report from the same source: Analysis Positives: Perhaps a bit shorter than preferred, but has excellent bulk and strength for the position. ... Durable performer who never missed a college game due to injury, despite a leaky offensive line. ... Efficient footwork and depth on his drop from center. ... Quick to scan the field and go through his progressions. ... Elite arm strength. ... Can make all the throws and shows power and toughness getting the ball deep even when defenders are closing and making contact. ... Consistent with excellent accuracy to all levels of the field. ... Consistent placing the deep out on the far shoulder of his receiver, away from the defender. ... Has good deep accuracy and trajectory. ... Lofts the ball high enough to allow his receiver to run under it. ... Aggressive, but has developed into a smarter passer over his career and will take what the defense gives him by dropping to his second and third options. ... Learning to look off the safety. ... Underrated core strength. ... Keeps his eyes downfield and will step up in the pocket and is willing to take a hit to complete the pass. ... Surprisingly nimble in the pocket and can avoid the rush. ... Underrated straight-line speed and will take what the defense gives him. ... Takes his own success and that of the team very seriously. ... Extremely competitive. ... Team captain. ... Undefeated in bowl games. Negatives: Can get fundamentally lazy... ... Though he has an efficient overall release, should be able to speed it up for underneath screens passes to take better advantage of the surprise to the defense. ... Sloppy footwork. ... Will get lazy and throw off his back foot, which could lead to turnovers in the NFL... ... Willing to throw into tight spots, though more often than not he places the ball where it needs to be... ... Not great accuracy on crossing routes. ... Too often leads his receivers too far or forces them to reach back, slowing their momentum and limiting their ability to generate yardage after the catch. Copyright NFLDraftScout.com, distributed by The Sports Xchange.
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02-20-2009, 10:10 AM	#27
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-722950	I like how that scouting report basically backs up what a ton of us have said about Sanchez being better coached and more technically sound, and guys were exploding saying we weren't scouts and didn't know shit.
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soundmind EB:29 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $10004900	"...many of his touchdown passes went to receivers with five or more yards of separation between the next closest defender, opening up some questions if USC's dominant athletes and the team's aggressive play-calling helped him look even better..." It opens up questions, but lets see if he makes the throws.
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