Chiefs Underclassmen QB's in the draft. - Page 2

SenselessChiefsFan · 02-22-2009, 02:09 PM

Okay, I know that Leaf was a junior. Probably the worst. Showed very quickly that he was not mature enough to make it in the NFL.

Mike Vick came out as a Junior, but again, lacked maturity.

Vince Young was a junior, and has had a mental breakdown.

Aaron Rodgers was a junior, but he was taken later in the first round.

Flacco and Ryan, last year's wonder rookies.... were both seniors.

I see a lot of red flags from Sancez. He was arrested for sexual assault. (I know, this girl was just out for money.... only he was a couple years removed from going pro, and there was no way for her to profit from it at the time, and her mother was the one who called the police)

He only has 16 games of experience and didn't listen to Pete Carroll or his parents that all advised him to go back to school.

He then hires his brother.

So, my question is, has anyone come into the NFL as a junior as a top ten pick that came in and set the NFL on fire?

I mean, Aaron Rodgers was on the bench for three years prior to the Packers leaning on him as there starter.

Do we want a three year waiting period for our QBOTF?

Anyways, I think QB has to be the most level headed and mature position on the field. I see none of that in Sanchez.

In fact, all I see is an arrogant primadonna that isn't smart enough to know what he doesn't know.

There is probably a junior I am misisng. I would love it even more if there is a junior that has on 16 games starting experience and came in as a top pick and set the world on fire.

kstater · 02-22-2009, 02:43 PM

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1 recipe pastry for a 9 inch double crust pie
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8 Granny Smith apples - peeled, cored and sliced
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Melt butter in a sauce pan. Stir in flour to form a paste. Add white sugar, brown sugar and water; bring to a boil. Reduce temperature, and simmer 5 minutes.
Meanwhile, place the bottom crust in your pan. Fill with apples, mounded slightly. Cover with a lattice work of crust. Gently pour the sugar and butter liquid over the crust. Pour slowly so that it does not run off.
Bake 15 minutes at 425 degrees F (220 degrees C). Reduce the temperature to 350 degrees F (175 degrees C), and continue baking for 35 to 45 minutes.
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Baking pie is a rather straightforward technique, but a few tips can only help to make your pies come out looking and tasting perfect!

milkman · 02-22-2009, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Didn't see the part where the girl had lied to the police. I started doing more research on the kid because I WANTED to like him. The Chiefs NEED a franchise QB. They have the third pick. It would be nice to feel like he was worth the pick. That is when I ran into that story.

Do you have a link about the girl llying to police?

Yes, I do think it shows imaturity to leave school early. It shows he wants to get his payday. Football is about more than just getting paid. If not, then I don't want you leading my team.

Finally, the hiring of his brother as his agent shows how arrogant, ignorant and immature this kid is.

It will be interesting to see how his career pans out.

But, for the record, you couldn't give me a guy that came out after his junior year and set the NFL on fire. Especially not one with 16 games experience.

I know, I am the one not wanting to see anyone elses side on this.

I don't have the link to the specific info about that incident that somenone else talked about.

http://articles.latimes.com/2006/apr...s/sp-sanchez27

Yeah cause no one else has any concerns about money.

And he hired his brother, as well as hiring an experienced agent to represent him.
But he's so immature because he hired a family member to look after his interests.

Sensible is the biggest misnomer ever.

kstater · 02-22-2009, 02:43 PM

Tips for making a fruit pie:

Baking Fruit Pies
By: Allrecipes Staff

There's a fruit pie for every season: strawberry-rhubarb for spring, cherry in summer, pear in the fall, and apple in winter.

Baking fruit pies is a rather straightforward technique, but a few tips can help to make your pies come out looking and tasting perfect.

1. Preheat the oven to the temperature the recipe you are following recommends. Most fruit pies bake at a temperature of between 350 degrees F (175 degrees C) and 450 degrees F (230 degrees C). Some recipes call for baking the pie in a 450 degree F oven for the first part of baking, then turning down the oven to about 350 degrees F. This helps set the shape of the crust in recipes that contain a lot of fat; it can keep your crust from slouching.
2. To add a richer color to a double-crust or lattice-topped pie, brush the top crust with milk or lightly beaten egg before baking.
3. Baking a pie with a raw fruit filling will take about an hour. Always bake pies on a baking sheet to prevent spillovers in the oven. Berry, apple, and pear pies cook for approximately 45 minutes. When using a pre-cooked filling, pies can bake at a higher temperature for a shorter period of time, just enough to thoroughly bake the crust and heat the filling.

To check the doneness of the filling, insert a knife into the center of the pie. If it meets with little or no resistance, the pie is done. If the pie is not quite done but the top or edges are becoming too dark, loosely cover the top of the pie with aluminum foil to shield it from the heat. A glass pie dish is a great way to ensure the bottom crust is fully baked; using a baking stone or pizza stone is another trick. Baking on a stone ensures that the bottom crust on even the juiciest fruit pie will be done when the top is brown.

See Perfect Pie Crusts for more information.

Perfect Pie Crusts
4. For shine and sparkle, thin a quarter cup of light corn syrup with very hot water. When the pie is done, brush the thinned syrup over the top of the crust. You can add granulated sugar or decorative sugar at this time. Return the pie to the oven for two to three minutes to let the glaze dry and set. Once the pie is done baking, carefully remove it from the oven. Let the pie cool to room temperature before slicing to allow the filling to set.

SenselessChiefsFan · 02-22-2009, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

1. Shocking that you hadn't seen this. It's been discussed so many ****ing times it's unbelievable.

2. We should draft only seniors. Juniors bad. Seniors good.

3. Yes, how unbelievably stupid for the kid to surround himself with people whom he trusts. Family. Stupid. And has been pointed out numerous times, his brother isn't the only one helping him with this process.

1. Sorry.

2. When junior QB's have a history of failure, one might think twice before doing it. But, that wouldn't play into the franchise QB at all costs crowd. Not saying he isn't worth drafting, just not at #3.

3. LOL. Well, anyway to rationalize, I suppose. There are some things that you leave up to professionals.

melbar · 02-22-2009, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

You are a ****ing idiot because you base this whole immaturity argument and call him an arrogant prima donna based on the fact that he chose to go into the draft in spite of the advise he got from his family and Pete Carroll.

You have no idea what he had going through his mind when he was weighing his decision.

You have no idea what guys like Carson Palmer and Matt Leinart, who he talked with, had to say to him that affected his decision.

The fact, making an assumption that he's immature and arrogant based solely on that decision is about the single stupidest thing I've ever heard.

You also refuse to consider any other thing when it comes to your viewpoint.

It doesn't matter to you that the DA found no evidence to support that girl's claim, and in fact, it has been posted elsewher that they had clear evidence she lied to police when she told them she and Sanchez left the bar together, because video shows that she left the bar alone.

All your dumbass has is that you don't like Sanchez, so you are going to disparage him in any way you can.

I hope your dumbass falls backwards on to a Roberto Alomar tree stump.

This is what I'm talking about. I'm not saying ya or nay on Sanchez, (actually I like him) But calling someone a ****ing idiot and that they should have bodily injury for questioning Sanchez? Really?
And Pot you're a little black calling someone out for disparaging a prospect just because you dont like them. (see Curry)

I dont care if he's a nOOb, a vet, or claiming the sky is purple, show just a little respect. If not for him then for the board.

SenselessChiefsFan · 02-22-2009, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I don't have the link to the specific info about that incident that somenone else talked about.

http://articles.latimes.com/2006/apr...s/sp-sanchez27

Yeah cause no one else has any concerns about money.

And he hired his brother, as well as hiring an experienced agent to represent him.
But he's so immature because he hired a family member to look after his interests.

Sensible is the biggest misnomer ever.

So, as long as the info is positive, then you can take it at face value concerning Sanchez. Got it. No actual proof that the girl lied.

As far as his money.... it is a bad sign that he is so worried about it now.

As far as his brother being his agent. If this was the only issue, it would be a non issue.

I just think there are enough red flags that you don't take him #3 overall.

It will be interesting to see where he goes in the draft. If the Chiefs take him at #3 I will change my account to insensible Chiefs fan.

I am sure that Pioli and Haley are smart enough not to do it.

milkman · 02-22-2009, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by melbar

This is what I'm talking about. I'm not saying ya or nay on Sanchez, (actually I like him) But calling someone a ****ing idiot and that they should have bodily injury for questioning Sanchez? Really?
And Pot you're a little black calling someone out for disparaging a prospect just because you dont like them. (see Curry)

I dont care if he's a nOOb, a vet, or claiming the sky is purple, show just a little respect. If not for him then for the board.

I don't believe I've ever downplayed Curry's talent.

I'm pretty sure that all I've ever said is that he hasn't shown he's a pass rushing LB, and that isn't good value for the #3 overall pick.

SenselessChiefsFan · 02-22-2009, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by melbar

This is what I'm talking about. I'm not saying ya or nay on Sanchez, (actually I like him) But calling someone a ****ing idiot and that they should have bodily injury for questioning Sanchez? Really?
And Pot you're a little black calling someone out for disparaging a prospect just because you dont like them. (see Curry)

I dont care if he's a nOOb, a vet, or claiming the sky is purple, show just a little respect. If not for him then for the board.

If you are looking to rid the board of hotheaded opinionated fans, then you might as well shut down Chiefsplanet.

But, it shows how insecure he is in his opinion is that he can't debate it rationally without hurling insults.

blueballs · 02-22-2009, 02:55 PM

kstater · 02-22-2009, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

If you are looking to rid the board of hotheaded opinionated fans, then you might as well shut down Chiefsplanet.

But, it shows how insecure he is in his opinion is that he can't debate it rationally without hurling insults.

OK, we can debate "sensibly". No, other than Rothlesburger, no junior QB has been "successful". But show me how prior QB play has any bearing as to how future QB's play.

melbar · 02-22-2009, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman

I don't believe I've ever downplayed Curry's talent.

I'm pretty sure that all I've ever said is that he hasn't shown he's a pass rushing LB, and that isn't good value for the #3 overall pick.

Its all good. I'm looking at who's said what etc. Some have, some havent. We just all seem a little on edge lately thats all.

SenselessChiefsFan · 02-22-2009, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by kstater

OK, we can debate "sensibly". No, other than Rothlesburger, no junior QB has been "successful". But show me how prior QB play has any bearing as to how future QB's play.

We have seen example after example of QB's coming out with little experience and flaming out in the NFL. Akili Smith was a senior, but actually had starting experience similar to that of Mark Sanchez.

It isn't just his lack of experience. It is his ability to handle the pressure of being a high first round guy and a 'savior' of a franchise.

For crying out loud, the kid looked tight at the combine today.

See, I am not 'trying' to bash the kid. I WANT to believe in him. I want the Chiefs to have a great QB. I want him to be worthy of the #3 pick.

But, every stone I uncover about him, I find another red flag.

I was really hoping to see him spin the ball well today at the combine and he was very dissapointing. I would have thought he had an arm like Marino from the gaga posters on this board.

He had a long delivery, a slow release, the balls didn't have a ton of zip on them AND he wasn't accurate.

All the things I thought were his 'positives'... he failed to deliver on today.

I just don't think he has the maturity to handle the NFL. I think his parents and his coaches know him better than we do... well, at least better than I do.

But, again, I am just trying to look at all angles.

I don't think a ILB is worth the #3 pick. I don't think a WR on this team is worth the #3 pick. I don't think a RT is worth the #3 pick.

However, I would rather have great players at those positions than a bust at QB in the name of attempting to draft a franchise QB.

JMO.

milkman · 02-22-2009, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

If you are looking to rid the board of hotheaded opinionated fans, then you might as well shut down Chiefsplanet.

But, it shows how insecure he is in his opinion is that he can't debate it rationally without hurling insults.

No, I called you names because you I made a couple of concessions in our debates, and you refused to even attempt to meet in the middle.

So, go fist yourself.

**doomy3** · 02-22-2009, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by kstater

OK, we can debate "sensibly". No, other than Rothlesburger, no junior QB has been "successful". But show me how prior QB play has any bearing as to how future QB's play.

Well, to be fair, when making decisions, history is something that needs to be looked at. If there is completely overwhelming history as there is in this case, there better be NO questions, and I just don't see that being the case here.

**DeezNutz** · 02-22-2009, 03:12 PM

Akili Smith is a great comparison.

I know this is supremely unimportant, but what type of offense was Smith coming from again?

Oh yeah. Those little details can be a bitch sometimes.

02-22-2009, 02:09 PM
SenselessChiefsFan MVP Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $10005450	Underclassmen QB's in the draft. Okay, I know that Leaf was a junior. Probably the worst. Showed very quickly that he was not mature enough to make it in the NFL. Mike Vick came out as a Junior, but again, lacked maturity. Vince Young was a junior, and has had a mental breakdown. Aaron Rodgers was a junior, but he was taken later in the first round. Flacco and Ryan, last year's wonder rookies.... were both seniors. I see a lot of red flags from Sancez. He was arrested for sexual assault. (I know, this girl was just out for money.... only he was a couple years removed from going pro, and there was no way for her to profit from it at the time, and her mother was the one who called the police) He only has 16 games of experience and didn't listen to Pete Carroll or his parents that all advised him to go back to school. He then hires his brother. So, my question is, has anyone come into the NFL as a junior as a top ten pick that came in and set the NFL on fire? I mean, Aaron Rodgers was on the bench for three years prior to the Packers leaning on him as there starter. Do we want a three year waiting period for our QBOTF? Anyways, I think QB has to be the most level headed and mature position on the field. I see none of that in Sanchez. In fact, all I see is an arrogant primadonna that isn't smart enough to know what he doesn't know. There is probably a junior I am misisng. I would love it even more if there is a junior that has on 16 games starting experience and came in as a top pick and set the world on fire.
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kstater Custom User Title Join Date: Jan 2007 Casino cash: $-1673437	Grandma Ople's Apple Pie SUBMITTED BY: MOSHASMAMA PHOTO BY: notyouraveragegranny "This was my grandmother's apple pie recipe. I have never seen another one quite like it. It will always be my favorite, and I hope it becomes one of your favorites as well!" RECIPE RATING: Read Reviews (732) Review/Rate This Recipe -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- PREP TIME 30 Min COOK TIME 1 Hr READY IN 1 Hr 30 Min Original recipe yield 1 - 9 inch pie SERVINGS (Help) Servings US METRIC INGREDIENTS (Nutrition) 1 recipe pastry for a 9 inch double crust pie 1/2 cup unsalted butter 3 tablespoons all-purpose flour 1/2 cup white sugar 1/2 cup packed brown sugar 1/4 cup water 8 Granny Smith apples - peeled, cored and sliced Add to Recipe Box My folders: Add to Shopping List Customize Recipe Add a Personal Note What to Drink? Coffee DIRECTIONS Melt butter in a sauce pan. Stir in flour to form a paste. Add white sugar, brown sugar and water; bring to a boil. Reduce temperature, and simmer 5 minutes. Meanwhile, place the bottom crust in your pan. Fill with apples, mounded slightly. Cover with a lattice work of crust. Gently pour the sugar and butter liquid over the crust. Pour slowly so that it does not run off. Bake 15 minutes at 425 degrees F (220 degrees C). Reduce the temperature to 350 degrees F (175 degrees C), and continue baking for 35 to 45 minutes. FOOTNOTE Baking pie is a rather straightforward technique, but a few tips can only help to make your pies come out looking and tasting perfect!
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kstater Custom User Title Join Date: Jan 2007 Casino cash: $-1673437	Tips for making a fruit pie: Baking Fruit Pies By: Allrecipes Staff There's a fruit pie for every season: strawberry-rhubarb for spring, cherry in summer, pear in the fall, and apple in winter. Baking fruit pies is a rather straightforward technique, but a few tips can help to make your pies come out looking and tasting perfect. 1. Preheat the oven to the temperature the recipe you are following recommends. Most fruit pies bake at a temperature of between 350 degrees F (175 degrees C) and 450 degrees F (230 degrees C). Some recipes call for baking the pie in a 450 degree F oven for the first part of baking, then turning down the oven to about 350 degrees F. This helps set the shape of the crust in recipes that contain a lot of fat; it can keep your crust from slouching. 2. To add a richer color to a double-crust or lattice-topped pie, brush the top crust with milk or lightly beaten egg before baking. 3. Baking a pie with a raw fruit filling will take about an hour. Always bake pies on a baking sheet to prevent spillovers in the oven. Berry, apple, and pear pies cook for approximately 45 minutes. When using a pre-cooked filling, pies can bake at a higher temperature for a shorter period of time, just enough to thoroughly bake the crust and heat the filling. To check the doneness of the filling, insert a knife into the center of the pie. If it meets with little or no resistance, the pie is done. If the pie is not quite done but the top or edges are becoming too dark, loosely cover the top of the pie with aluminum foil to shield it from the heat. A glass pie dish is a great way to ensure the bottom crust is fully baked; using a baking stone or pizza stone is another trick. Baking on a stone ensures that the bottom crust on even the juiciest fruit pie will be done when the top is brown. See Perfect Pie Crusts for more information. Perfect Pie Crusts 4. For shine and sparkle, thin a quarter cup of light corn syrup with very hot water. When the pie is done, brush the thinned syrup over the top of the crust. You can add granulated sugar or decorative sugar at this time. Return the pie to the oven for two to three minutes to let the glaze dry and set. Once the pie is done baking, carefully remove it from the oven. Let the pie cool to room temperature before slicing to allow the filling to set.
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