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missinDThomas · 02-24-2009, 07:20 AM

about Sanchez.

Every Monday, Arrowhead Addict editor/lead writer Adam Best will kick off the week with his AA Greeting — his one-of-a-kind POV on all things Chiefs.

What is this gibberish I’m reading around Chiefs Nation that Mark Sanchez didn’t fare well at the combine. Really? What are my fellow Red-and-Golders smoking?

Today, Scout Inc.’s Todd McShay — who’s Gus Johnson to Mel Kiper’s Dick Vitale — raved about Sanchez, especially his confidence, ability to break down film and intangibles. In fact, McShay talked about the “it” factor. You know, the one I’ve been saying that Sanchez has and Matt Stafford doesn’t for weeks now. Well, apparently quite a few of the personnel folks he talked to agree with me. He even said that there is some movement from Stafford to Sanchez as to who the No. 1 quarterback is.

SportingNews.com’s Russ Lande said:

Southern Cal’s Mark Sanchez helped himself in passing drills and tests. He showed a quick, compact delivery and release. He drove into his passes and the ball exploded out of his hand. His throws had good velocity and a tight, clean spiral. With Georgia’s Matthew Stafford choosing not to throw, Sanchez proved their competition to be the draft’s top quarterback is far from over. Teams were impressed that Sanchez decided to throw and did not look nervous or anxious.

ESPN’s John Clayton:

A ball of nervous energy, USC QB Mark Sanchez had a good throwing performance Sunday at the combine.

After scouring the Interwebs and watching the combine since it kicked off, it seems like most, if not everyone, has been pretty damn impressed by the kid I’ve taken to calling Dirty. So, Don Banks wasn’t impressed. No offense, Don, but after reading your stuff over the years, I’m not so sure Tyra Banks doesn’t know more about the NFL than you do.

Then there’s the fervor behind the Tyler Thigpen movement. Dammit! I just wish Chiefs fans didn’t let their wishful thinking cloud their judgment so much. That’s called being a homer.

But call me Brian Wilson, because for a while there even I was singing “Wouldn’t It Be Nice.” You know, as in wouldn’t it be nice if some seventh-round, third-string quarterback who once got cut by the effin’ Vikings miraculously became our franchise quarterback? But as the season progressed and Thigpen lost game after game, almost never playing well during crunch time, I soured on him. Hey, Tony Gonzalez has carried the jocks of a lot of pedestrian quarterbacks during his tight end reign of terror. This is just another one for us to add to the list.

I also have seen numerous Chiefs fans — not just on this site either — trying to sell that Thigpen’s as good as Matt Cassel. Keep telling yourself that and maybe, just maybe, one day you’ll really believe it.

The reasoning behind this is always that Randy Moss and Wes Welker blow away what we have. Really? I mean, Dwayne Bowe and Tony Gonzalez, the best tight end of all time, aren’t a couple of scrubs. Oh, and only one of these guys made the Pro Bowl this year — Tony G. Sure, Cassel’s offensive line was better, but what about his backs? Kevin Faulk and a bunch of punks and nobodies? BenJarvus Green-Ellis? That sounds like a disease, man. Meanwhile, we had Jamal Charles and Larry Johnson for most of the season. I really don’t think Cassel was at that much of an advantage, especially when you consider that he had to deal with things like actual expectations and pressure, not to mention playing in a much, much better division.The AFC West was garbage last year, especially defensively.

Sorry, but Thigpen is just not in Cassel’s league.

Just read what Peter King had to say about Cassel today, from SI.com:

I’m surprised that a quarterback who played as well as Cassel did for the last 10 weeks of the season is being viewed by most people in the league as too risky to chart a long-term course with. It’s not often in free agency or in trade that a young quarterback with promise is available. And while I understand it’s a millstone around Cassel that he’d require probably two fairly high picks plus an average of $14 million-ish a year in a contract, I still think I’d rather have Cassel as my quarterback of the future than, say, Matthew Stafford. And the money’s not that much different.

Cassel is the real deal, folks. I don’t think anybody would be writing that about Thigpen if he was franchised or even a free agent right now. Then again, I can’t ever see a QB of his caliber being franchised.

Another thing I keep reading over and over and over again is shock that anybody at all is discussing the Chiefs picking or trading for a quarterback with Thigpen in the fold. Wake up, people! If you don’t have a very good quarterback, then you don’t have a quarterback at all. Period. Considering that quarterback is the single most important position in the NFL and we don’t have a good one, yeah, it’s going to be a top priority. Probably the priority. You can have all the Aaron Currys in the world running amok, but if you have a hack quarterback it won’t make any difference.

Am I being hard on Thigpen? No. Not at all. He had a prolonged audition that he never really earned before being thrust into the starting line-up. Our offense was 26th in the league in scoring. Our defense was 29th in points allowed, which means that we had to be aggressive on offense to try and keep pace. Suddenly, the ArrowSpread and Thiggy don’t look so hot any longer. Then you throw in his completion percentage, and it’s not looking good for Thigpen.

It’s never personal. I was hard on Brodie Croyle because I didn’t see him ever being a winning quarterback. He had a lot of starts, and could never win a game. Meanwhile, Thigpen has now had a good chunk of starts, too, and the only game he has won was that freebie up in Oakland. And that game was definitely a freebie. I know — I was there!

I really don’t care if all of Chiefs Nation agrees with me on this one. When it comes to quarterbacks, my track record — Brodie Croyle, Matt Ryan, etc… — speaks for itself. I am confident that Thigpen will not be our quarterback of the future. Very confident.

I also don’t think that there is any way men like Todd Haley and Scott Pioli are going to hedge their careers on Thiggy Smalls. Just writing that makes me feel a little ridiculous, actually. In case you forgot, the Herm Edwards era is over. The Pioli Trinity will bring someone in to at least compete with him. I guaran-damn-tee you that. If he wins the job, hey, more power to him. That would be a dream come true for me, as I’ve been waiting my whole life for the Chiefs to find a young franchise QB. I just can’t see it. Sorry.

The other thing I keep reading that irks me is this Aaron Curry is the “safe” pick, the “safest pick in the draft.” Makes me want to puke. Hey, the kid has a great story and is a phenomenal athlete. But he’s a middle freakin’ linebacker in a year when linebackers seem to be miraculously raining from the sky like frogs or something! Let’s get serious here. Is Chiefs Nation still so haunted by the ghost of Todd Blackhedge that we remain scared you-know-what-less when it comes to drafting or trading for a promising young quarterback.

What was that expression? Scared money don’t make money. I’m confident that The Pioli Trilogy realizes that. They aren’t going to allow the ghosts of Chiefs’ past or any wishful thinking to lead them down the wrong path.

Me? I don’t call the shots, but I’m liking Cassel and Sanchez more and more every single day (I still like Michael Crabtree as well, by the way). Hopefully, the Chiefs are, too, because these kids have the chops to become star quarterbacks in this league under the right guidance (ahem, Todd Haley).

P.S. - With free agency around the corner, and us almost certainly moving to a 3-4, I’m thinking these will be my top candidates when I drop my free agency post later this week, which will probably be another Blueprint…

ILB Bart Scott
DE Chris Canty
OT Khalif Barnes
Lance Moore is also a guy who’s very, very intriguing to me. I think he could become a star in Haley’s system.

Hog's Gone Fishin · 02-24-2009, 08:17 AM

It's all moot because Sanchez will be a Lion

missinDThomas · 02-24-2009, 08:19 AM

I heard on movin the chains...that the lions will take top LT with pick #1 and a QB with #20

SenselessChiefsFan · 02-24-2009, 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

Why is it ok to blow a 2nd round pick on a QB but not a 1st round pick? If either one busts you just blew a pick with a team that is in a position that it needs both those picks to pan out.

Well, I didn't say it wasn't okay to blow a first round pick on a QB. I just don't think it is okay to blow a 1st round pick on Sanchez.

Now, to the point.

If you sign a QB at #3, you lose the chance to draft another franchise type player.

Plus, QB's are one of the most hit and miss prospects in the draft. If you draft one at #3, you will pay him about 30 million guaranteed dollars more than if you draft one at the top of round #2.

Stafford is the only QB I see worth the risk at #3, he is the only one with truly superior talent, IMO. I know that you think that Sanchez has superior talent, but Pat White looked better throwing the ball on Sunday.

If I thought Sanchez was an elite prospect, it would be different. I just don't.

Mecca · 02-24-2009, 08:24 AM

I didn't think Pat White looked better, all of his dropbacks were sloppier than hell and when he was throwing the arm strength throws I thought he looked like a little kid trying to throw a ball that was to big for him...he literally looked like he was trying to throw that shit with every single thing in his body.

And what franchise player are they going to take there? We can't use a hypothetical of one that doesn't exist, and Aaron Curry is not a franchise player either.

SenselessChiefsFan · 02-24-2009, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I was watching his feet and drop backs everytime....like right away when Pat White did it I was like he looks sloppy...

If you have great feet and mechanics you can have a below average arm and be fine, ask Trent Green about that.

You are full of it right now. Pat White did a phenomenal job with his footwork and mechanics. Even the hosts on the NFL channel said so.

Oh, and I thought we were drafting Sanchez because he has all the physical tools, not because he has a below average arm with great mechanics.

We can get those guys later in the draft.

missinDThomas · 02-24-2009, 08:26 AM

Pat White already said he would play other positions, because teams are looking at him for the "wildcat". They think Pat is interesting due to his athleticism and that he would blow the wildcat up. Every comment about him being a fulltime QB is he is way too small.

Mecca · 02-24-2009, 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

You are full of it right now. Pat White did a phenomenal job with his footwork and mechanics. Even the hosts on the NFL channel said so.

Oh, and I thought we were drafting Sanchez because he has all the physical tools, not because he has a below average arm with great mechanics.

We can get those guys later in the draft.

Great way to spin what I said, where did I say he had a below average arm? He doesn't..

And I'm sorry no one is going to convince me Pat White looked great out there, he's a good athlete everyone knows that already.

He was not dropping back well, he's a midget and he was throwing his outs like a pitcher putting so much of everything he had in his body into them I was cracking up.

SenselessChiefsFan · 02-24-2009, 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

I didn't think Pat White looked better, all of his dropbacks were sloppier than hell and when he was throwing the arm strength throws I thought he looked like a little kid trying to throw a ball that was to big for him...he literally looked like he was trying to throw that shit with every single thing in his body.

And what franchise player are they going to take there? We can't use a hypothetical of one that doesn't exist, and Aaron Curry is not a franchise player either.

Okay, I am not going to let this spiral downwards, so I will end with this:

Curry will be a Pro Bowl linebacker. In the 3-4, he will slide inside and he is a bigger, faster, stronger Ray Lewis.

A Pro Bowl, potential HOF linebacker is much more of a franchise player than a bust at QB.

And, since I believe that Sanchez will be a bust at QB, I would rather have Curry.

missinDThomas · 02-24-2009, 08:30 AM

Pat White does not equal Doug Flutie in terms of full time way too short QB.

I can see Pat White in certain packages being outstanding, but not full time.

Mecca · 02-24-2009, 08:30 AM

I don't believe Curry is Ray Lewis.....so how about that?

I think he has a better chance of being AJ Hawk than he does Lewis...

Mecca · 02-24-2009, 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by missinDThomas

Pat White does not equal Doug Flutie in terms of full time way too short QB.

I can see Pat White in certain packages being outstanding, but not full time.

He's Seneca Wallace.

missinDThomas · 02-24-2009, 08:31 AM

Curry / Sanchez...I will tell you who I'd rather have in 4 years

Hog's Gone Fishin · 02-24-2009, 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by missinDThomas

I heard on movin the chains...that the lions will take top LT with pick #1 and a QB with #20

that would be wonderful. I really do want the Dirty!

Mecca · 02-24-2009, 08:32 AM

I still think you're better off taking LB's in the middle rounds, LBs are the RB's of defense you should be able to cycle guys in there and get production.

SenselessChiefsFan · 02-24-2009, 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

Great way to spin what I said, where did I say he had a below average arm? He doesn't..

And I'm sorry no one is going to convince me Pat White looked great out there, he's a good athlete everyone knows that already.

He was not dropping back well, he's a midget and he was throwing his outs like a pitcher putting so much of everything he had in his body into them I was cracking up.

I know that no one is going to convince you that Pat White looked good out there.

The odd thing is that Sanchez had mixed reviews, but everyone agreed that Pat White looked good other than you.

I think you like to act like you know a lot more than you do. You think it gives you some additional credibility. It doesn't.

It makes the less gullible people in here realize you are a fool, and talk out of your a$$.

But, hey, if coming off like you are some expert on a fans message board is what gets you off.... good for you.

It is one thing to have an opinion, it is another to act like an 'expert', when it is clear that you have no idea what you are talking about.

02-24-2009, 07:20 AM
missinDThomas Nobody fucks with the Jesus! Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Wichita Falls, TX Casino cash: $10004900	"Experts" say and think the same as Mecca... about Sanchez. Every Monday, Arrowhead Addict editor/lead writer Adam Best will kick off the week with his AA Greeting — his one-of-a-kind POV on all things Chiefs. What is this gibberish I’m reading around Chiefs Nation that Mark Sanchez didn’t fare well at the combine. Really? What are my fellow Red-and-Golders smoking? Today, Scout Inc.’s Todd McShay — who’s Gus Johnson to Mel Kiper’s Dick Vitale — raved about Sanchez, especially his confidence, ability to break down film and intangibles. In fact, McShay talked about the “it” factor. You know, the one I’ve been saying that Sanchez has and Matt Stafford doesn’t for weeks now. Well, apparently quite a few of the personnel folks he talked to agree with me. He even said that there is some movement from Stafford to Sanchez as to who the No. 1 quarterback is. SportingNews.com’s Russ Lande said: Southern Cal’s Mark Sanchez helped himself in passing drills and tests. He showed a quick, compact delivery and release. He drove into his passes and the ball exploded out of his hand. His throws had good velocity and a tight, clean spiral. With Georgia’s Matthew Stafford choosing not to throw, Sanchez proved their competition to be the draft’s top quarterback is far from over. Teams were impressed that Sanchez decided to throw and did not look nervous or anxious. ESPN’s John Clayton: A ball of nervous energy, USC QB Mark Sanchez had a good throwing performance Sunday at the combine. After scouring the Interwebs and watching the combine since it kicked off, it seems like most, if not everyone, has been pretty damn impressed by the kid I’ve taken to calling Dirty. So, Don Banks wasn’t impressed. No offense, Don, but after reading your stuff over the years, I’m not so sure Tyra Banks doesn’t know more about the NFL than you do. Then there’s the fervor behind the Tyler Thigpen movement. Dammit! I just wish Chiefs fans didn’t let their wishful thinking cloud their judgment so much. That’s called being a homer. But call me Brian Wilson, because for a while there even I was singing “Wouldn’t It Be Nice.” You know, as in wouldn’t it be nice if some seventh-round, third-string quarterback who once got cut by the effin’ Vikings miraculously became our franchise quarterback? But as the season progressed and Thigpen lost game after game, almost never playing well during crunch time, I soured on him. Hey, Tony Gonzalez has carried the jocks of a lot of pedestrian quarterbacks during his tight end reign of terror. This is just another one for us to add to the list. I also have seen numerous Chiefs fans — not just on this site either — trying to sell that Thigpen’s as good as Matt Cassel. Keep telling yourself that and maybe, just maybe, one day you’ll really believe it. The reasoning behind this is always that Randy Moss and Wes Welker blow away what we have. Really? I mean, Dwayne Bowe and Tony Gonzalez, the best tight end of all time, aren’t a couple of scrubs. Oh, and only one of these guys made the Pro Bowl this year — Tony G. Sure, Cassel’s offensive line was better, but what about his backs? Kevin Faulk and a bunch of punks and nobodies? BenJarvus Green-Ellis? That sounds like a disease, man. Meanwhile, we had Jamal Charles and Larry Johnson for most of the season. I really don’t think Cassel was at that much of an advantage, especially when you consider that he had to deal with things like actual expectations and pressure, not to mention playing in a much, much better division.The AFC West was garbage last year, especially defensively. Sorry, but Thigpen is just not in Cassel’s league. Just read what Peter King had to say about Cassel today, from SI.com: I’m surprised that a quarterback who played as well as Cassel did for the last 10 weeks of the season is being viewed by most people in the league as too risky to chart a long-term course with. It’s not often in free agency or in trade that a young quarterback with promise is available. And while I understand it’s a millstone around Cassel that he’d require probably two fairly high picks plus an average of $14 million-ish a year in a contract, I still think I’d rather have Cassel as my quarterback of the future than, say, Matthew Stafford. And the money’s not that much different. Cassel is the real deal, folks. I don’t think anybody would be writing that about Thigpen if he was franchised or even a free agent right now. Then again, I can’t ever see a QB of his caliber being franchised. Another thing I keep reading over and over and over again is shock that anybody at all is discussing the Chiefs picking or trading for a quarterback with Thigpen in the fold. Wake up, people! If you don’t have a very good quarterback, then you don’t have a quarterback at all. Period. Considering that quarterback is the single most important position in the NFL and we don’t have a good one, yeah, it’s going to be a top priority. Probably the priority. You can have all the Aaron Currys in the world running amok, but if you have a hack quarterback it won’t make any difference. Am I being hard on Thigpen? No. Not at all. He had a prolonged audition that he never really earned before being thrust into the starting line-up. Our offense was 26th in the league in scoring. Our defense was 29th in points allowed, which means that we had to be aggressive on offense to try and keep pace. Suddenly, the ArrowSpread and Thiggy don’t look so hot any longer. Then you throw in his completion percentage, and it’s not looking good for Thigpen. It’s never personal. I was hard on Brodie Croyle because I didn’t see him ever being a winning quarterback. He had a lot of starts, and could never win a game. Meanwhile, Thigpen has now had a good chunk of starts, too, and the only game he has won was that freebie up in Oakland. And that game was definitely a freebie. I know — I was there! I really don’t care if all of Chiefs Nation agrees with me on this one. When it comes to quarterbacks, my track record — Brodie Croyle, Matt Ryan, etc… — speaks for itself. I am confident that Thigpen will not be our quarterback of the future. Very confident. I also don’t think that there is any way men like Todd Haley and Scott Pioli are going to hedge their careers on Thiggy Smalls. Just writing that makes me feel a little ridiculous, actually. In case you forgot, the Herm Edwards era is over. The Pioli Trinity will bring someone in to at least compete with him. I guaran-damn-tee you that. If he wins the job, hey, more power to him. That would be a dream come true for me, as I’ve been waiting my whole life for the Chiefs to find a young franchise QB. I just can’t see it. Sorry. The other thing I keep reading that irks me is this Aaron Curry is the “safe” pick, the “safest pick in the draft.” Makes me want to puke. Hey, the kid has a great story and is a phenomenal athlete. But he’s a middle freakin’ linebacker in a year when linebackers seem to be miraculously raining from the sky like frogs or something! Let’s get serious here. Is Chiefs Nation still so haunted by the ghost of Todd Blackhedge that we remain scared you-know-what-less when it comes to drafting or trading for a promising young quarterback. What was that expression? Scared money don’t make money. I’m confident that The Pioli Trilogy realizes that. They aren’t going to allow the ghosts of Chiefs’ past or any wishful thinking to lead them down the wrong path. Me? I don’t call the shots, but I’m liking Cassel and Sanchez more and more every single day (I still like Michael Crabtree as well, by the way). Hopefully, the Chiefs are, too, because these kids have the chops to become star quarterbacks in this league under the right guidance (ahem, Todd Haley). P.S. - With free agency around the corner, and us almost certainly moving to a 3-4, I’m thinking these will be my top candidates when I drop my free agency post later this week, which will probably be another Blueprint… ILB Bart Scott DE Chris Canty OT Khalif Barnes Lance Moore is also a guy who’s very, very intriguing to me. I think he could become a star in Haley’s system.
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02-24-2009, 08:17 AM	#16
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02-24-2009, 08:19 AM	#17
missinDThomas Nobody fucks with the Jesus! Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Wichita Falls, TX Casino cash: $10004900	I heard on movin the chains...that the lions will take top LT with pick #1 and a QB with #20
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02-24-2009, 08:24 AM	#19
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-782950	I didn't think Pat White looked better, all of his dropbacks were sloppier than hell and when he was throwing the arm strength throws I thought he looked like a little kid trying to throw a ball that was to big for him...he literally looked like he was trying to throw that shit with every single thing in his body. And what franchise player are they going to take there? We can't use a hypothetical of one that doesn't exist, and Aaron Curry is not a franchise player either.
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02-24-2009, 08:26 AM	#21
missinDThomas Nobody fucks with the Jesus! Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Wichita Falls, TX Casino cash: $10004900	Pat White already said he would play other positions, because teams are looking at him for the "wildcat". They think Pat is interesting due to his athleticism and that he would blow the wildcat up. Every comment about him being a fulltime QB is he is way too small.
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02-24-2009, 08:30 AM	#24
missinDThomas Nobody fucks with the Jesus! Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Wichita Falls, TX Casino cash: $10004900	Pat White does not equal Doug Flutie in terms of full time way too short QB. I can see Pat White in certain packages being outstanding, but not full time.
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02-24-2009, 08:31 AM	#27
missinDThomas Nobody fucks with the Jesus! Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Wichita Falls, TX Casino cash: $10004900	Curry / Sanchez...I will tell you who I'd rather have in 4 years
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02-24-2009, 08:32 AM	#29
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-782950	I still think you're better off taking LB's in the middle rounds, LBs are the RB's of defense you should be able to cycle guys in there and get production.
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