Chiefs Possible trades........... - Page 2

**Tribal Warfare** · 03-02-2009, 01:10 AM

IMO, it seems Pioli will try to get rid of all the Vermeil/Edward leftovers as possible for picks the players who have some value are probably gone are DJ,LJ,Thigpen and unfortunately Waters. I know most are very obvious, but the DJ trade is very likely due to he's a coverage Linebacker and his lackadaisical work ethic but he still has an assload of talent but no discipline.

Mecca · 03-02-2009, 01:56 AM

After 3 years most players are what they are so then you can declare if they suck or not.

He's in the last year of his deal so learn how to use him probably means waving bye to another guy who didn't pan out.

The Buddha · 03-02-2009, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

After 3 years most players are what they are so then you can declare if they suck or not.

He's in the last year of his deal so learn how to use him probably means waving bye to another guy who didn't pan out.

If he's in the last year of his contract, expect 5 INTs 5 sacks and 150 tackles...lol :-)

Lets get rid of him NEXT year.

Barret · 03-02-2009, 02:56 AM

I think Tribal and Mecca both make good points. Could one of the reason Pioli is bringing in Vrabel so that he can work with the LB's and bring in the veteran leadership?

If Vrabel says "geez this kid doesnt want to work and wont listen to me or the coaches about hustling" then I would bet he is gone.

**BigMeatballDave** · 03-02-2009, 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

I believe he will, the guy should be a perennial all-pro by now but doesn't have the work ethic to get over the top.

I don't think its his work ethic that was holding him back. Lousy ****ing coaching. Seems to me he could flourish in a 3-4 on the outside.

**BigMeatballDave** · 03-02-2009, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

A LB taken at the 15th pick should be significantly more productive than he is.

You are correct. I still blame coaching.

**Tribal Warfare** · 03-02-2009, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefDave

I don't think its his work ethic that was holding him back. Lousy ****ing coaching. Seems to me he could flourish in a 3-4 on the outside.

Doesn't have the knack for it, if he did they'd blitzed him constantly. losing focus in games like Gunther stated is directly rated to work ethic.

**BigMeatballDave** · 03-02-2009, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Doesn't have the knack for it, if he did they'd blitzed him constantly. losing focus in games like Gunther stated is directly rated to work ethic.

I stopped believing anything that tool said years ago. You know how that staff loved to throw its players under the bus.

Mecca · 03-02-2009, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefDave

I don't think its his work ethic that was holding him back. Lousy ****ing coaching. Seems to me he could flourish in a 3-4 on the outside.

He's not an outside 3-4 backer.

Ultra Peanut · 03-02-2009, 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

After 3 years most players are what they are so then you can declare if they suck or not.

Indeed. Sucks for him that he had horrible coaching, and all, but it doesn't matter now.

DJ is the perfect example of how no one is ever a lock.

**ShortRoundChief** · 03-02-2009, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

He's not an outside 3-4 backer.

I'm curious why you say this? DJ has speed and good coverage skills, why do you feel this way?

Mecca · 03-02-2009, 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by J Diddy

I'm curious why you say this? DJ has speed and good coverage skills, why do you feel this way?

3-4 outside backers are big like 260 they need to have outstanding pass rush moves. His cover skills aren't that important in a 3-4 what he does as a OLB in a 4-3 is more of what the athletic MLB does in a 3-4 the role a guy like Jarod Mayo plays up in NE.

Think who plays OLB in a 3-4 they're converted DE's.

veist · 03-02-2009, 03:49 AM

What're the odds he gets dealt on draft day?

Mecca · 03-02-2009, 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by veist

What're the odds he gets dealt on draft day?

50/50 if they were to actually take Curry then it goes up because in a 3-4 defense they'd play that same athletic MLB spot...

Now a guy like Tamba Hali is a goner he has no position.

veist · 03-02-2009, 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

50/50 if they were to actually take Curry then it goes up because in a 3-4 defense they'd play that same athletic MLB spot...

Now a guy like Tamba Hali is a goner he has no position.

Yeah, he's just not a fit for any position in the 3-4. Maybe they can convert him to a FB

lol.

Mecca · 03-02-2009, 04:02 AM

There are some players on the Chiefs that do have value if you wanted to move away from them, I suspect they will try Dorsey at end, but if they decided they couldn't with the weak crop of top D players this year you could probably get a team to give you a 1 for him.

Most of this front 7 is likely to be replaced within 2 years, hell I suspect most of the defensive personnel will be replaced in 2 years.

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Tribal Warfare Man of Culture Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Far Beyond Comprehension Casino cash: $-2997187	Possible trades........... IMO, it seems Pioli will try to get rid of all the Vermeil/Edward leftovers as possible for picks the players who have some value are probably gone are DJ,LJ,Thigpen and unfortunately Waters. I know most are very obvious, but the DJ trade is very likely due to he's a coverage Linebacker and his lackadaisical work ethic but he still has an assload of talent but no discipline.
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-712950	After 3 years most players are what they are so then you can declare if they suck or not. He's in the last year of his deal so learn how to use him probably means waving bye to another guy who didn't pan out.
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Barret Still Lurking Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: East Texas Casino cash: $1923790	I think Tribal and Mecca both make good points. Could one of the reason Pioli is bringing in Vrabel so that he can work with the LB's and bring in the veteran leadership? If Vrabel says "geez this kid doesnt want to work and wont listen to me or the coaches about hustling" then I would bet he is gone.
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veist Veteran Join Date: Oct 2006 Casino cash: $10004900	What're the odds he gets dealt on draft day?
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03-02-2009, 04:02 AM	#30
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-712950	There are some players on the Chiefs that do have value if you wanted to move away from them, I suspect they will try Dorsey at end, but if they decided they couldn't with the weak crop of top D players this year you could probably get a team to give you a 1 for him. Most of this front 7 is likely to be replaced within 2 years, hell I suspect most of the defensive personnel will be replaced in 2 years.
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