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Old 03-25-2009, 09:11 AM  
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Curt Schilling Retires -- is he a HOFer?
So Curt Schilling officially retired earlier this week. Is he a Hall of Famer in your mind, or not?

The stats:

216 wins (light for a HOFer, it's like 80th all-time)
146 losses
.596 Winning Percentage
No Cy Young Awards. Came in 2nd 3 times, and 4th once.
6 All Star Appearances
3.47 ERA
ERA +/- is a whopping +127
3116 strikeouts (15th all time)
11-2 record in playoffs with a 2.23 ERA in 19 starts
3 World Series rings
20 game winner 3 times
The Bloody Sock!
An ungodly K/BB ratio.

It's a close call. The stats alone point to "no", but I keep coming back to two things -- first that he isn't tainted by steroids, and second that there are damn few pitchers over the last 15 years that someone would want starting Game 7 of a World Series over Schilling.
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Old 03-25-2009, 09:39 AM   #16
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Those "individual numbers" are stats.
thanks, mr. thesaurus.

clearly you missed the post of that post.

they are all stats, but when determining the quality of a player, I prefer to focus on the stats that are a direct result of the that player, rather than the quality of the team around him.
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Old 03-25-2009, 09:41 AM   #17
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thanks, mr. thesaurus.

clearly you missed the post of that post.

they are all stats, but when determining the quality of a player, I prefer to focus on the stats that are a direct result of the that player, rather than the quality of the team around him.
Couldn't figure out what you were trying to say. Your first sentence was that people focused too much on stats, then you posted a bunch of stats. I guess I did miss the post of that post.
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Old 03-25-2009, 09:41 AM   #18
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he also played on the team that won the most, regardless of division. it makes sense he has a lot of wins.
Not when he played for the Orioles. And he had to pitch against the likes of New York, Toronto, and Boston in their heydays.
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He played 10 seasons with BALTIMORE and 8 seasons with the Yankees.
true, I'm probably just stuck on my hatred of the yankees. that's probably also why I want Schill in the HOF - he was the perfect yankee killer.

wasn't Baltimore good for several of those years? I didn't follow baseball back then.
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Old 03-25-2009, 09:42 AM   #20
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true, I'm probably just stuck on my hatred of the yankees. that's probably also why I want Schill in the HOF - he was the perfect yankee killer.

wasn't Baltimore good for several of those years? I didn't follow baseball back then.

Only a few. The bad years outnumbered the good ones.
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Old 03-25-2009, 09:45 AM   #21
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Not before Blyleven. He can't get in and trumps just about all of Schilling's stats.
I'm OK with both. Blyleven had such a nasty breaking ball. There must be something in the woodpile that is keeping him out.
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Old 03-25-2009, 09:49 AM   #22
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Mussina was a much more consistent pitcher than Schilling.

Also, you're forgetting that Mussina pitched on some really bad Orioles teams.
eh. The Orioles were average most of his years with them. Of course, he helped MAKE them average...

I think Mussina is pretty clearly in, however. I also can't quite fathom the Blyleven thing.

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Only a few. The bad years outnumbered the good ones.
They were under .500 5 of the years he was with them, and over .500 the other 5 years.

They were basically an average team. They weren't the Devil Rays for Chrissakes.
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They were under .500 5 of the years he was with them, and over .500 the other 5 years.

They were basically an average team. They weren't the Devil Rays for Chrissakes.


Yeah, ok.....but as an Orioles fan it sure felt like it....still does.

The O's never should have dealt Schilling, but if I had to pick between him and Mussina I'd take Mussina.
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Yeah, ok.....but as an Orioles fan it sure felt like it....still does.

The O's never should have dealt Schilling, but if I had to pick between him and Mussina I'd take Mussina.
For an entire career, or for Game 7 of a World Series?

BTW, the same years that were basically .500 for Mussina's Orioles weren't nearly so good for Schilling's Phillies. If you want to adjust their candidacy for the suckiness of the team around them, then Schilling gets a bigger adjustment than Mussina:

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I always wondered who was a bigger publicity hound.

Curt Schilling or Jeremy Roenick.
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Yeah, ok.....but as an Orioles fan it sure felt like it....still does.

The O's never should have dealt Schilling, but if I had to pick between him and Mussina I'd take Mussina.
Also....right, because you were in the AL East. One year you were 4 games below .500, yet in 4th in teh 5 team AL East, and we were all speedbumps for the ridiculous Yankees. You were 35 games out of first.

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[QUOTE=Amnorix;5608937]For an entire career, or for Game 7 of a World Series?


For the career, Mussina.

For the game 7 I'd say it's a tossup between the younger Mussina and the older Schilling. Schill was certainly the more dominant pitcher in terms of being a power arm but Mussina always had such beautiful control. Maybe not Maddux type control, but still excellent.

On a side note....

Worst Orioles trade ever.......Schilling, Pete Harnisch and Steve Finley for Glenn Davis. I'm still pissed.
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