Connor Barwin planning a visit with the Chiefs - Page 2

**Tribal Warfare** · 03-28-2009, 12:38 PM

Barwin Adds Another Visit
by Ed Thompson of ScoutNFLNetwork.com, March 27, 2009 at 7:58am ET

Scout.com has been told that University of Cincinnati DE/TE Connor Barwin has an official visit scheduled with the New England Patriots on Friday, March 29-30, according to a source.

The visit signals a strong level of interest from New England, since they also held a private workout with Barwin on March 10.

Barwin's already had an official visit with the Buffalo Bills in March, but he has four visits planned for April already. He'll kick off his road trips with the Kansas City Chiefs on April 1st and 2nd, then he's off to Tennessee to meet with the Titans on the 5th and 6th. Then it's off to Jacksonville for a visit on the 12th and 13th followed by the Rams on the 15th and 16th.

Saccopoo · 03-31-2009, 11:13 AM

Mistakenly posted in another thread, but Barwin is a major reach. A one year player at DE after switching from TE in a weak conference equates into a huge project.

As I stated elsewhere, he doesn't give you anything over what the Chiefs already have in Brian Johnston, who was a one man wrecking crew and athletic freak of nature in small college at the DE spot.

Barwin would be a complete waste of a pick in my opinion.

KCrockaholic · 03-31-2009, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccogoo

Mistakenly posted in another thread, but Barwin is a major reach. A one year player at DE after switching from TE in a weak conference equates into a huge project.

As I stated elsewhere, he doesn't give you anything over what the Chiefs already have in Brian Johnston, who was a one man wrecking crew and athletic freak of nature in small college at the DE spot.

Barwin would be a complete waste of a pick in my opinion.

I agree with most of this except the bold part. Johnston was just an overhyped guy because he was a white defensive end and we all wished that he could become the next Jared Allen. Johnston really didnt even do anything special in college like putting up big numbers or anything for a division II player. Barwin is a pure athlete. Not really a DE/LB/TE but hes a guy that can help out in a number of ways whether its defense or offense. Johnston cant offer that. Taking Barwin would be a very high risk. A reach? depends on where we get him. If we trade back up into the 2nd round and get him there...that would be a good deal. He wont be a waste of a pick because he offers so much. Yes he may be one of the most raw players in this draft, but I think the reward would be worth the risk.

htismaqe · 03-31-2009, 11:26 AM

I don't believe Brian Johnston is on the roster anymore.

Coogs · 03-31-2009, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I don't believe Brian Johnston is on the roster anymore.

http://www.kcchiefs.com/players/

It still has him listed on the roster.

Saccopoo · 03-31-2009, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life

I agree with most of this except the bold part. Johnston was just an overhyped guy because he was a white defensive end and we all wished that he could become the next Jared Allen. Johnston really didnt even do anything special in college like putting up big numbers or anything for a division II player. Barwin is a pure athlete. Not really a DE/LB/TE but hes a guy that can help out in a number of ways whether its defense or offense. Johnston cant offer that. Taking Barwin would be a very high risk. A reach? depends on where we get him. If we trade back up into the 2nd round and get him there...that would be a good deal. He wont be a waste of a pick because he offers so much. Yes he may be one of the most raw players in this draft, but I think the reward would be worth the risk.

Johnston was a pure athlete. His measurables were off the chart for a guy of his size and he also was second in the country in stops behind the line of scrimmage. Dude was a beast in the I-AA. To wit:

"Johnston played very well in the 2008 Hula Bowl, one of the nation’s better College Football All-Star games. He didn't get an invitation to the 2008 NFL Scouting Combine, but on 8 March 2008 he dazzled scouts at his Pro Day workout. Measuring in at 6-foot-5, 274 pounds, Johnston ran his first 40-yard dash in an eye-popping 4.66 seconds. His slowest time of the day was 4.70, which is still faster than Johnston’s best time a year ago. Johnston’s 40-yard dash time during his pro day, would have been the fourth best at the recent NFL Scouting Combine for defensive ends, and the best for any lineman weighing more than 260 pounds.

His most impressive stat from the 40-yard dash came with a very strong 1.51-second time through the first 10 yards, an important time with regards to a players quickness. By comparison, Johnston's 10-yard split was the same as Arkansas running back Darren McFadden turned in at the Combine earlier this year.

He recorded an impressive 35-inch vertical leap as well, which would have ranked second among defensive linemen at the NFL Scouting Combine – and best for a player of his size.

The most impressive result overall, however, may have been Johnston’s time in the 20-yard shuttle. He turned in a 4.18-second time, which is better than any lineman at the NFL’s Scouting Combine. In fact, the 4.18-second time was faster than any running back at the event – with Illinois’ Rashard Mendenhall the only back to match that time.

A 6.96-second time in the 3-cone, was also impressive, and would rank him third if he would have went to the combine."

Tell me what a guy like Barwin gives you over that? Especially considering that he's only played the DE for one single season in a mid-major conference. Nope. Nothing more than Johnston, and at this point, maybe a lot less based on his lack of experience and smaller size.

bdeg · 03-31-2009, 01:23 PM

a 10'8 broadjump and a 4.47 40
He matched that shuttle, too.

Johnston's 1.51 10 yard split is really impressive though, Barwin wasn't far behind with 1.53

Barwin's ceiling is literally 'through the roof'

Someone explain to me why Maybin is a better prospect than Barwin.

**Tribal Warfare** · 03-31-2009, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by bdeg

a 10'8 broadjump and a 4.49 40

A ceiling literally 'through the roof'

4.47 at his pro day

bdeg · 03-31-2009, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

4.47 at his pro day

yup good call, I'd already corrected it too lol

Barwin also had a 40 inch vertical

Saccopoo · 03-31-2009, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by bdeg

yup good call, I'd already corrected it too lol

Barwin also had a 40 inch vertical

Great. Second coming of Matt Jones. Freak athlete with no experience at any position. That's a first round pick for teams that border on insanity and a sixth round pick for a smart team.

**Tribal Warfare** · 03-31-2009, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccogoo

Great. Second coming of Matt Jones. Freak athlete with no experience at any position. That's a first round pick for teams that border on insanity and a sixth round pick for a smart team.

Matt Jones played QB for the Razorbacks without any college production as a WR, how does that relate to Barwin?

bdeg · 03-31-2009, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccogoo

Great. Second coming of Matt Jones. Freak athlete with no experience at any position. That's a first round pick for teams that border on insanity and a sixth round pick for a smart team.

He did get like 11 sacks or something like that last year. He didn't look inept at DE. He looked natural. Once he learned to time the snap he was a force rushing the edge. If he gets good coaching and learns the pass rush moves of a player like Brown he will be near unblockable. This may take a couple years, but he will contribute as a rusher early, and I believe he'll continue to show the hard work and improvement he showed in his one year on D.

bdeg · 03-31-2009, 05:01 PM

I'd still love for someone to tell me what makes Aaron Maybin(commonly projected top 10 pick) a better prospect than Barwin.

Shouldn't be hard right, if Barwin is a questionable first rounder?

But Barwin's ceiling is higher, and Maybin is practically just as raw.

KCrockaholic · 03-31-2009, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bdeg

I'd still love for someone to tell me what makes Aaron Maybin(commonly projected top 10 pick) a better prospect than Barwin.

Shouldn't be hard right, if Barwin is a questionable first rounder?

But Barwin's ceiling is higher, and Maybin is practically just as raw.

Im not a Maybin fan by any means but if i had to guess why he is rated so high would be....His school (penn state) compared to Barwins Cincinnati. Maybin has been slightly more productive. But other than this its hard to say why he is rated so high by so many people.

bdeg · 03-31-2009, 05:08 PM

Level of competition has something to do with it, but when you look at the players and how they play...
Barwin has better size
Barwin has better speed
Barwin has better quickness/explosiveness
Barwin has shown more improvement during his time on defense.

I have a feeling if Barwin had been playing DE as long as Maybin he could already have the pass rushing moves of a player like Brown. Unfortunately that's a gamble someone's going to have to take with only one season of film on him.

KCrockaholic · 03-31-2009, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bdeg

Level of competition has something to do with it, but when you look at the players and how they play...
Barwin has better size
Barwin has better speed
Barwin has better quickness/explosiveness
Barwin has shown more improvement during his time on defense.

I have a feeling if Barwin had been playing DE as long as Maybin he could already have the pass rushing moves of a player like Brown. Unfortunately that's a gamble someone's going to have to take with only one season of film on him.

Im hoping that we take him in the 2nd if we can get a pick that high.

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03-31-2009, 11:13 AM	#16
Saccopoo Kindness in words... Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Zion Casino cash: $10025483	Mistakenly posted in another thread, but Barwin is a major reach. A one year player at DE after switching from TE in a weak conference equates into a huge project. As I stated elsewhere, he doesn't give you anything over what the Chiefs already have in Brian Johnston, who was a one man wrecking crew and athletic freak of nature in small college at the DE spot. Barwin would be a complete waste of a pick in my opinion.
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03-31-2009, 11:26 AM	#18
htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $8099900	I don't believe Brian Johnston is on the roster anymore.
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03-31-2009, 01:23 PM	#21
bdeg Veteran Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: iowa Casino cash: $10004900	a 10'8 broadjump and a 4.47 40 He matched that shuttle, too. Johnston's 1.51 10 yard split is really impressive though, Barwin wasn't far behind with 1.53 Barwin's ceiling is literally 'through the roof' Someone explain to me why Maybin is a better prospect than Barwin.
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03-31-2009, 05:01 PM	#27
bdeg Veteran Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: iowa Casino cash: $10004900	I'd still love for someone to tell me what makes Aaron Maybin(commonly projected top 10 pick) a better prospect than Barwin. Shouldn't be hard right, if Barwin is a questionable first rounder? But Barwin's ceiling is higher, and Maybin is practically just as raw.
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03-31-2009, 05:08 PM	#29
bdeg Veteran Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: iowa Casino cash: $10004900	Level of competition has something to do with it, but when you look at the players and how they play... Barwin has better size Barwin has better speed Barwin has better quickness/explosiveness Barwin has shown more improvement during his time on defense. I have a feeling if Barwin had been playing DE as long as Maybin he could already have the pass rushing moves of a player like Brown. Unfortunately that's a gamble someone's going to have to take with only one season of film on him.
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