On ESPN now is a draft special..

[Mecca]

Schlereth is going to explain why Curry isn't worth a top 10 pick is one of the teasers..

[LaChapelle]

Originally Posted by bdeg

If we take Tyson Jackson at 3 I might throw up.

As for taking a project at 3, that's only an issue if you don't consider his value at ILB worthy of the #3. idk

Pioli didn't have final say in NE. No one has a clue, but that don't pay to say.

[bdeg]

Tough call between Curry and Brown if you ask me, barring a likely trade down. I haven't watched more than a game and a couple HL tapes of either, but my inclination is to go with Brown.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by bdeg

If we take Tyson Jackson at 3 I might throw up.

As for taking a project at 3, that's only an issue if you don't consider his value at ILB worthy of the #3. idk

I don't. If we were picking at #10 or so, I'd be all over Curry. And people would be saying "he won't last that long".

Which is funny considering that people were convinced DJ would be gone when we picked at #15.

[bdeg]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I don't. If we were picking at #10 or so, I'd be all over Curry. And people would be saying "he won't last that long".

Which is funny considering that people were convinced DJ would be gone when we picked at #15.

Normally I agree, Curry goes closer to 10, but outside of the top 4(which don't fit), there isn't much if any elite talent. Curry might be the only real elite player left.

[RustShack]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I don't. If we were picking at #10 or so, I'd be all over Curry. And people would be saying "he won't last that long".

Which is funny considering that people were convinced DJ would be gone when we picked at #15.

Yeah but DJ fell because he wasn't a pass rusher and there were other DE's who would make for good OLB in a 3-4... And Curry is a... oh wait... OK never mind, its the same situation.

[doomy3]

Originally Posted by RustShack

Yeah but DJ fell because he wasn't a pass rusher and there were other DE's who would make for good OLB in a 3-4... And Curry is a... oh wait... OK never mind, its the same situation.

Well, the first part about DJ not being a pass rusher is similar to this year.

The difference is, in 2005 there was a Demarcus Ware and Shawn Merriman in the draft

[RustShack]

Originally Posted by doomy3

Well, the first part about DJ not being a pass rusher is similar to this year.

The difference is, in 2005 there was a Demarcus Ware and Shawn Merriman in the draft

Everette Brown, Aaron Maybin, Brian Orakpo. Yes Curry is rated above them, but DJ was rated above Ware and Merriman.

[doomy3]

Really, looking at that draft in 2005, that was a pretty weak first round.



1 Alex Smith QB Utah San Francisco 49ers
2 Ronnie Brown RB Auburn Miami Dolphins
3 Braylon Edwards WR Michigan Cleveland Browns
4 Cedric Benson RB Texas Chicago Bears
5 Cadillac Williams RB Auburn Tampa Bay Buccaneers
6 Pacman Jones CB West Virginia Tennessee Titans
7 Troy Williamson WR South Carolina Minnesota Vikings
8 Antrel Rolle DB Miami (Fla.) Arizona Cardinals
9 Carlos Rogers DB Auburn Washington Redskins
10 Mike Williams WR USC Detroit Lions
11 DeMarcus Ware OLB Troy State Dallas Cowboys
12 Shawne Merriman OLB Maryland San Diego Chargers
13 Jammal Brown T Oklahoma New Orleans Saints
14 Thomas Davis DB Georgia Carolina Panthers
15 Derrick Johnson OLB Texas Kansas City Chiefs
16 Travis Johnson DT Florida State Houston Texans
17 David Pollack LB Georgia Cincinnati Bengals
18 Erasmus James DE Wisconsin Minnesota Vikings
19 Alex Barron T Florida State St. Louis Rams
20 Marcus Spears DE Louisiana State Dallas Cowboys
21 Matt Jones WR Arkansas Jacksonville Jaguars
22 Mark Clayton WR Oklahoma Baltimore Ravens
23 Fabian Washington CB Nebraska Oakland Raiders
24 Aaron Rodgers QB California Green Bay Packers
25 Jason Campbell QB Auburn Washington Redskins
26 Chris Spencer C Mississippi Seattle Seahawks
27 Roddy White WR Alabama-Birmingham Atlanta Falcons
28 Luis Castillo DE Northwestern San Diego Chargers
29 Marlin Jackson DB Michigan Indianapolis Colts
30 Heath Miller TE Virginia Pittsburgh Steelers
31 Mike Patterson DT USC Philadelphia Eagles
32 Logan Mankins

[doomy3]

Originally Posted by RustShack

Everette Brown, Aaron Maybin, Brian Orakpo. Yes Curry is rated above them, but DJ was rated above Ware and Merriman.

Yeah, I guess it just depends on team's evaluations of them. I would imagine most teams do feel better about Orakpo and Maybin than people on here.

[philfree]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

That alone should kill the talk about #3 overall.

You don't take a project in Top 5, at any position.

I don't think it's fair to call Curry a project. The only thing that he hasn't proven he can do is be a consistant pass rusher. And that comes from not having the opportunity. That said I've seen several plays where he came off the edge and was all over the QB. I saw a new one yesterday where he nailed the QB and the ball popped out and landed in the arms of another defender. The ball went forward and past the LOS so it was probably called a pressure and an INT in the stats. What it was, was an awsome play. IMO if given the chance he will be able to rush the passer in the NFL. He won't be an every down pass rusher but he will be able to rush the passer IMO.

PhilFree

[DrRyan]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

That alone should kill the talk about #3 overall.

You don't take a project in Top 5, at any position.

Errr...that is exactly what you take. Sanchez anyone? All everyone wanting to take Sanchez has talked about is "how he projects to be a top 'x' starter in this league." I guess I do not have a problem if they still go QB at #3 if they can't trade down and QB is their BPA, but Sanchez has started 1 year in college, so you you are drafting a project, period, point blank.

[philfree]

Originally Posted by DrRyan

Errr...that is exactly what you take. Sanchez anyone? All everyone wanting to take Sanchez has talked about is "how he projects to be a top 'x' starter in this league." I guess I do not have a problem if they still go QB at #3 if they can't trade down and QB is their BPA, but Sanchez has started 1 year in college, so you you are drafting a project, period, point blank.

Exactly! You don't take a QB with only 16 starts in the top three of the draft.
I would take Stafford if he fell to #3 and we couldn't get a trade done. I might take him no matter what.


PhilFree

[RustShack]

Originally Posted by philfree

I don't think it's fair to call Curry a project. The only thing that he hasn't proven he can do is be a consistant pass rusher. And that comes from not having the opportunity. That said I've seen several plays where he came off the edge and was all over the QB. I saw a new one yesterday where he nailed the QB and the ball popped out and landed in the arms of another defender. The ball went forward and past the LOS so it was probably called a pressure and an INT in the stats. What it was, was an awsome play. IMO if given the chance he will be able to rush the passer in the NFL. He won't be an every down pass rusher but he will be able to rush the passer IMO.

PhilFree

If you draft a LB that high he better be a pass rusher, if he hasn't done it before hes a project. Thats like drafting a spread QB and saying he can learn to play a Pro Style offense easy.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by bdeg

Normally I agree, Curry goes closer to 10, but outside of the top 4(which don't fit), there isn't much if any elite talent. Curry might be the only real elite player left.

The thing is Curry isn't an elite player.

It's typical NFL conservatism at work. Marty Schottenheimer-ismos.

Everybody, universally, says Curry is a solid player - which basically means he's not spectacular. The scouts aren't enamored with what he DOES, they're enamored with what he DOESN'T do, which is make mistakes.

It's the epitome of the play-not-to-lose mentality that's infested the NFL.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

The thing is Curry isn't an elite player.

It's typical NFL conservatism at work. Marty Schottenheimer-ismos.

Everybody, universally, says Curry is a solid player - which basically means he's not spectacular. The scouts aren't enamored with what he DOES, they're enamored with what he DOESN'T do, which is make mistakes.

It's the epitome of the play-not-to-lose mentality that's infested the NFL.

Reptastic.