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booger · 04-17-2009, 11:19 PM

Chiefs tinker with new defense on start of three-day minicamp
By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star

Jarrad Page couldn’t help but watch with envy when the Chiefs would play an opponent like Pittsburgh or Baltimore, one that plays the 3-4 defense.

“It seems like those guys always get pressure on the quarterback,” said Page, a Chiefs starting safety. “I think with the 3-4, you’re always going to get pressure on the quarterback because you can do so many things. (The offense) never knows who’s rushing and who’s going to drop, so you can bring pressure from more positions.

“That’s what the coaches are doing now, getting guys ready to play. I don’t know yet who’s going to be the stand-up (rushers) outside, whether they’re getting Tamba (Hali) ready to do that or what. We do have enough athletes that we can have some guys do that. I’m pretty sure we have the guys and we can make it happen.”

The Chiefs started the process of installing their new defense Friday with the opening practices of their three-day minicamp, their first under new coach Todd Haley.

The practices were closed to the media, and Haley wouldn’t disclose how the Chiefs lined up defensively. He did say the Chiefs were still assessing skills of various players and would continue to massage the lineup if necessary.

“We’ve got them lined up right now,” Haley said. “But every discussion we have as a coaching staff is, ‘Well, let’s see what this weekend looks like.’ This weekend is more about teaching, really. It’s not even a fair weekend to come out of this and say we’re going to have any idea on evaluations.”

The Chiefs have 67 players. Participation at this minicamp is not mandatory under NFL rules. Haley wouldn’t disclose an exact number of players who participated but said the number was more than 60.

“This is all voluntary,” he said. “The guys have been very good about letting me know when there’s an issue or something’s up. We’ve been 60-plus from the start. That’s a sign that the guys want to get on board.

“The way I’ve seen it work is that this time of year is for getting in condition and getting strong and building the foundation of your team. A lot of things occur in these hours spent in the weight room and out on the turf running and sweating together. Relationships start to form and a bond starts to happen and if you’re not here, that can’t happen.

“There are some that don’t want to do what it takes to win. They’d rather be doing something else when the other guys are working together and trying to build the foundation.”

Haley indicated much of the practices were spent teaching the basics.

The Chiefs are planning to play some of their old 4-3 defense as well and look like last year’s Arizona Cardinals. Haley coached for Arizona last season and brought the Cardinals’ coordinator, Clancy Pendergast, to lead Kansas City’s defense.

The Chiefs have yet to unveil publicly when they’re in the 3-4 how they will use several of last year’s players, including former first-round draft picks Hali and Glenn Dorsey.

“It will be interesting to see how the players we have kind of fit into that,” said backup linebacker Monty Beisel, signed last month after 2 1/2 seasons with the Cardinals. “I’m still not real familiar with who’s who on this team yet. What I do know is that from the top down with Scott and Todd and bringing in Clancy and Gary Gibbs and all of those guys, we’ve got a knowledgeable group of coaches.

“I know a little bit about Derrick Johnson and what kind of player he is. He’s an athlete that can make plays. Once we learn the scheme, it will be exciting and effective.

“It’s a players’ defense. It’s kind of a hybrid, some 3-4, some 4-3. The guys I’ve been around have really enjoyed the defense. We changed it, modified it, did a lot of different things, and that’s fun for the players. You can definitely make a lot of players. You get to play fast and attack, so from a player’s aspect, it’s fun.”

To reach Adam Teicher, Chiefs reporter for The Star, send e-mail to [email protected]
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RustShack · 04-18-2009, 12:17 AM

I was just looking up Tamba's 40 time and he ran a 4.75... but what stuck out to me is he was projected as a 2nd round pick and #47 overall. To his(or the Chiefs) credit he was ranked the #3 DE though.

Mecca · 04-18-2009, 12:19 AM

Hali's workouts were not impressive at all, it was major topic how he killed his stock with them.

**pr_capone** · 04-18-2009, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

What about the guy I wanted!

Your guy sucked... mine is much better.

Mecca · 04-18-2009, 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pr_capone

Your guy sucked... mine is much better.

My guy made a pro bowl...

**pr_capone** · 04-18-2009, 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

My guy made a pro bowl...

Politics

**The Bad Guy** · 04-18-2009, 06:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

My guy made a pro bowl...

To this date, Cromartie has had one good season - and we didn't have a chance to draft him anyway.

Tamba Hali will be a failure of epic proportions at OLB.

DTLB58 · 04-18-2009, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Tamba Hali has alot of supporters for some reason...people will argue he's been productive.

Don't look at me I didn't like that pick when they made it.

Holtus thinks he is going to shine as a stand up pass rusher in the new D.

TheGuardian · 04-18-2009, 07:07 AM

Cromartie was on the trading block this past season. And the guy is terrible in man coverage. He had one year where he grabbed a lot of picks, but this past season the guy was beat more than a dirty rug. Deltha O'Neal had a year where he had a bunch of picks. He was never worth a shit at man coverage though, and never is Cromartie.

Second, I've said unequivocally that I don't expect Tamba to ever be a defensive player of the year or a 15 sack type guy, but some of you talk about him as if he's the worst defensive lineman in the league and it's silly. The guy had 15.5 sacks and 8 forced fumbles his first two seasons and then after a season where he struggled with injuries and a position change he's worthless? It's silly, and that's what I am pointing out.

It's funny how Tamba takes a beating around here yet it's Derrick Johnson that has been a far bigger disappointment. Johnson was talked about as a top 5 selection and a "can't miss prospect" coming out of the draft yet the guy never shows up in shape, can't read a pre-snap offense, doesn't get into position properly, and doesn't play consistently hard. Yet he seems to get a bit of a pass. I've never seen a linebacker flop around like a fish the way he does at the snap of the ball because he's confused about where the play is going. If anyone is having a make or break season it's that stiff.

Oh and big words offend you Mecca then maybe you should go get an education.

Red Dawg · 04-18-2009, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefs1111

Tamba at OLB is likely going to be an ugly site too see

No it won't because Curry will be our pick.

Demonpenz · 04-18-2009, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

Cromartie was on the trading block this past season. And the guy is terrible in man coverage. He had one year where he grabbed a lot of picks, but this past season the guy was beat more than a dirty rug. Deltha O'Neal had a year where he had a bunch of picks. He was never worth a shit at man coverage though, and never is Cromartie.

Second, I've said unequivocally that I don't expect Tamba to ever be a defensive player of the year or a 15 sack type guy, but some of you talk about him as if he's the worst defensive lineman in the league and it's silly. The guy had 15.5 sacks and 8 forced fumbles his first two seasons and then after a season where he struggled with injuries and a position change he's worthless? It's silly, and that's what I am pointing out.

It's funny how Tamba takes a beating around here yet it's Derrick Johnson that has been a far bigger disappointment. Johnson was talked about as a top 5 selection and a "can't miss prospect" coming out of the draft yet the guy never shows up in shape, can't read a pre-snap offense, doesn't get into position properly, and doesn't play consistently hard. Yet he seems to get a bit of a pass. I've never seen a linebacker flop around like a fish the way he does at the snap of the ball because he's confused about where the play is going. If anyone is having a make or break season it's that stiff.

Oh and big words offend you Mecca then maybe you should go get an education.

plenty of us are hard on johnson

hehe

Hog's Gone Fishin · 04-18-2009, 07:35 AM

I just can't get real excited having a DC that was FIRED from the AZ CARDINALS.

I know they went SB, but still it's just the thought.

milkman · 04-18-2009, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

No it won't because Curry will be our pick.

And how does taking an ILB affect Hali's status?

**doomy3** · 04-18-2009, 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

What about the guy I wanted!

The guy you wanted wasn't even available at our pick. What's your point?

I wanted the Chiefs to draft Peyton Manning too.

Marcellus · 04-18-2009, 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

Cromartie was on the trading block this past season. And the guy is terrible in man coverage. He had one year where he grabbed a lot of picks, but this past season the guy was beat more than a dirty rug. Deltha O'Neal had a year where he had a bunch of picks. He was never worth a shit at man coverage though, and never is Cromartie.

Second, I've said unequivocally that I don't expect Tamba to ever be a defensive player of the year or a 15 sack type guy, but some of you talk about him as if he's the worst defensive lineman in the league and it's silly. The guy had 15.5 sacks and 8 forced fumbles his first two seasons and then after a season where he struggled with injuries and a position change he's worthless? It's silly, and that's what I am pointing out.

It's funny how Tamba takes a beating around here yet it's Derrick Johnson that has been a far bigger disappointment. Johnson was talked about as a top 5 selection and a "can't miss prospect" coming out of the draft yet the guy never shows up in shape, can't read a pre-snap offense, doesn't get into position properly, and doesn't play consistently hard. Yet he seems to get a bit of a pass. I've never seen a linebacker flop around like a fish the way he does at the snap of the ball because he's confused about where the play is going. If anyone is having a make or break season it's that stiff.

Oh and big words offend you Mecca then maybe you should go get an education.

Stop it. Perspective is not allowed here.

Red Dawg · 04-18-2009, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer

I just can't get real excited having a DC that was FIRED from the AZ CARDINALS.

I know they went SB, but still it's just the thought.

I agree 100% Nothing special about his coaching career.

04-17-2009, 11:19 PM
booger Don't Tug on Superman's Cape Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: clear out in the sticks Casino cash: $-2481450	Teicher: Chiefs tinker with new defense on start of three-day minicamp Chiefs tinker with new defense on start of three-day minicamp By ADAM TEICHER The Kansas City Star Jarrad Page couldn’t help but watch with envy when the Chiefs would play an opponent like Pittsburgh or Baltimore, one that plays the 3-4 defense. “It seems like those guys always get pressure on the quarterback,” said Page, a Chiefs starting safety. “I think with the 3-4, you’re always going to get pressure on the quarterback because you can do so many things. (The offense) never knows who’s rushing and who’s going to drop, so you can bring pressure from more positions. “That’s what the coaches are doing now, getting guys ready to play. I don’t know yet who’s going to be the stand-up (rushers) outside, whether they’re getting Tamba (Hali) ready to do that or what. We do have enough athletes that we can have some guys do that. I’m pretty sure we have the guys and we can make it happen.” The Chiefs started the process of installing their new defense Friday with the opening practices of their three-day minicamp, their first under new coach Todd Haley. The practices were closed to the media, and Haley wouldn’t disclose how the Chiefs lined up defensively. He did say the Chiefs were still assessing skills of various players and would continue to massage the lineup if necessary. “We’ve got them lined up right now,” Haley said. “But every discussion we have as a coaching staff is, ‘Well, let’s see what this weekend looks like.’ This weekend is more about teaching, really. It’s not even a fair weekend to come out of this and say we’re going to have any idea on evaluations.” The Chiefs have 67 players. Participation at this minicamp is not mandatory under NFL rules. Haley wouldn’t disclose an exact number of players who participated but said the number was more than 60. “This is all voluntary,” he said. “The guys have been very good about letting me know when there’s an issue or something’s up. We’ve been 60-plus from the start. That’s a sign that the guys want to get on board. “The way I’ve seen it work is that this time of year is for getting in condition and getting strong and building the foundation of your team. A lot of things occur in these hours spent in the weight room and out on the turf running and sweating together. Relationships start to form and a bond starts to happen and if you’re not here, that can’t happen. “There are some that don’t want to do what it takes to win. They’d rather be doing something else when the other guys are working together and trying to build the foundation.” Haley indicated much of the practices were spent teaching the basics. The Chiefs are planning to play some of their old 4-3 defense as well and look like last year’s Arizona Cardinals. Haley coached for Arizona last season and brought the Cardinals’ coordinator, Clancy Pendergast, to lead Kansas City’s defense. The Chiefs have yet to unveil publicly when they’re in the 3-4 how they will use several of last year’s players, including former first-round draft picks Hali and Glenn Dorsey. “It will be interesting to see how the players we have kind of fit into that,” said backup linebacker Monty Beisel, signed last month after 2 1/2 seasons with the Cardinals. “I’m still not real familiar with who’s who on this team yet. What I do know is that from the top down with Scott and Todd and bringing in Clancy and Gary Gibbs and all of those guys, we’ve got a knowledgeable group of coaches. “I know a little bit about Derrick Johnson and what kind of player he is. He’s an athlete that can make plays. Once we learn the scheme, it will be exciting and effective. “It’s a players’ defense. It’s kind of a hybrid, some 3-4, some 4-3. The guys I’ve been around have really enjoyed the defense. We changed it, modified it, did a lot of different things, and that’s fun for the players. You can definitely make a lot of players. You get to play fast and attack, so from a player’s aspect, it’s fun.” To reach Adam Teicher, Chiefs reporter for The Star, send e-mail to [email protected] http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chi...y/1148626.html
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TheGuardian MVP Join Date: Mar 2009 Casino cash: $6305299	Cromartie was on the trading block this past season. And the guy is terrible in man coverage. He had one year where he grabbed a lot of picks, but this past season the guy was beat more than a dirty rug. Deltha O'Neal had a year where he had a bunch of picks. He was never worth a shit at man coverage though, and never is Cromartie. Second, I've said unequivocally that I don't expect Tamba to ever be a defensive player of the year or a 15 sack type guy, but some of you talk about him as if he's the worst defensive lineman in the league and it's silly. The guy had 15.5 sacks and 8 forced fumbles his first two seasons and then after a season where he struggled with injuries and a position change he's worthless? It's silly, and that's what I am pointing out. It's funny how Tamba takes a beating around here yet it's Derrick Johnson that has been a far bigger disappointment. Johnson was talked about as a top 5 selection and a "can't miss prospect" coming out of the draft yet the guy never shows up in shape, can't read a pre-snap offense, doesn't get into position properly, and doesn't play consistently hard. Yet he seems to get a bit of a pass. I've never seen a linebacker flop around like a fish the way he does at the snap of the ball because he's confused about where the play is going. If anyone is having a make or break season it's that stiff. Oh and big words offend you Mecca then maybe you should go get an education.
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