Chiefs Ben Davidson Late Hit - Page 2

Mars72 · 09-18-2009, 09:10 AM

Does anyone have a video of Ben Davidson's late hit on Len Dawson? This is the catalyst of Raider hate for me and optimizes the philosophy of the Dirty, Filthy, Stinking, Raiders. I hate those guys. You youngsters who have a problem with the Broncos (I hate the Broncos too.) should watch some of the AFL Games. What a bunch of thugs the Raiders were.

**HemiEd** · 09-18-2009, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

The essence of any good rivalry is competition. For many of the youngsters, and even some of us that can remember the 80's, the Raiders haven't been any good.

When you win 18 out 20 or whatever it was from 89 to 98, the rivalry loses ALOT of it's energy.

I had as much hate for the Raiders as ever, until Herm. Herm just took a lot of the enthusiasm out.

Now this week, I caught myself being upset they got screwed on the TD overturn.

Before, I would have been thrilled, dreamed about them getting screwed.
I hated them so bad, I walked out of a bar once because the bartender had a Raiders hat on.

mikey23545 · 09-18-2009, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Mars72

Beautiful. That is what I was looking for. I don't care how pathetic we are. I don't care how pathetic the Stinking Raiders are. Beat them. Beat them into the ground. Send them back to that orifice of darkness, humiliated with their forked tails between their legs.

This X 100,000,000,000,000

Over-Head · 09-18-2009, 10:08 AM

I feel a lot of love in this thread

RJ · 09-18-2009, 10:12 AM

My daughter is only 6, but she is already highly skilled at Raider hatred. She always has an eye peeled for Raider bumper stickers, apparel, etc. and is quick to alert me when she spots it. She even advises me against parking next to Raider adorned vehicles and makes a point of not getting too close to people wearing their gear.

Later, I will teach her that there are some decent raider fans in this world, perhaps as many as a dozen. In the meantime, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

**gblowfish** · 09-18-2009, 10:29 AM

Ben Davidson can burn in Hell.

Norman Einstein · 09-18-2009, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by C-Mac

THis will get the blood flowing...
Chiefs Raider Intro on KCChiefsGames.cm

I liked that video. BTW, it does show the late hit.

Mars72 · 09-18-2009, 10:51 AM

Thank you all for the response. I am really fired up for the game. I am excited to think that we have a coach who knows a little bit about Raider Hate. Hopefully he can fire up the team.

htismaqe · 09-18-2009, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by buddha

The rivalry isn't a shadow of what it once was, but when you ask Oakland fans, they will tell you that they hate KC/Denver about equally, and the Chargers next after that.

For KC, we have always considered Oakland to be our primary rival going back to the beginning of time. The older fans remember the street brawls these games used to be...nothing else quite like them. You were lucky to get off the field with your head back in the day.

I think the bad feelings are still there, but it's been a LONG time since both teams were legit and competitive at the same time. It's fine to hate each other, but if the product on the field sucks so badly, it really doesn't matter.

I think I hate the Broncos as much as I hate the Chargers and Raiders COMBINED.

wild1 · 09-18-2009, 11:32 AM

I would give the Broncos a hate rating of 100, the Raiders of 90 (mostly due to their ineptitude), and San Diego of... well. Zero. I don't hate the Chargers. I don't ever think about them. The Chargers are irrelevant.

Norman Einstein · 09-18-2009, 11:36 AM

I thinkt he age of a person and the number of years they have been a fan of the Chiefs has a great impact on what team they dislike the most. Anyone here that was around when the Chiefs and Raiders were in their heyday have a well defined hatred of the Raiders.

The younger guys were brought up on the Denver wars and thus hate the broncos more than the Raiders.

Even younger you have the guys that witnessed the nimrod (ferryman) from San Diego ending the career of Priest Holmes.

There is enough to go around in the division, but I'll stick with the Raiders for my most disliked foe.

**buddha** · 09-18-2009, 11:44 AM

What is there to hate San Diego about? I can't think of one significant cheap shot in that series, or anything that ignited hard feelings. San Diego is Switzerland...you most likely don't feel anything toward them, and for good reason.

The Donkeys are closer to the Raiders, but that's an age thing. The younger guys will hate Denver more than the older guys. I promise you that you can't find a Chiefs fan who is older than about 46 who doesn't hate the Raiders more than any other team in the NFL. It was THAT bad back then.

RJ · 09-18-2009, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by buddha

The Donkeys are closer to the Raiders, but that's an age thing. The younger guys will hate Denver more than the older guys. I promise you that you can't find a Chiefs fan who is older than about 46 who doesn't hate the Raiders more than any other team in the NFL. It was THAT bad back then.

I'm 50 and that is certainly true of me. My little girl will ask me "Daddy, why do you hate the Raiders so much?" and I tell her, "Because I always have. I've hated the Raiders for about as long as I've loved the Chiefs".

RJ's hate meter:

Raiders - Why doesn't it go to 11?

Broncos - 97%

Cowboys - 95%

Steelers - 90%, but with grudging admiration.

**cdcox** · 09-18-2009, 12:18 PM

My memory of that play is that there was a long delay after the fight was over, during which the officials were trying to decide where the ball should be placed. Dawson's run gave the Chiefs a first down and virtually iced the game, even before the penalty was enforced. You'll notice on the next play in the video, the ball was marked back near the 50. But I do not think that was the initial positioning of the ball by the officials. My memory is that Madden threatened to and actually began to remove his players from the field in protest. Finally, the ball was placed back at the 50 and history unfolded. My questions:

1. Does anyone else remember these details the way I do, as far as the controversy of where the ball should be placed?

2. If both Davidson and Taylor were penalized for offsetting dead-ball fouls, where should the ball be placed? I contend it should be where Dawson went down, because the off setting penalties were dead ball, after the play had ended.

3. If the placement of the ball back near the 50 is correct, why would NFL players not routinely commit dead ball fouls whenever a game changing play occurred in hopes of retaliation by the other team and the requirement to re-run the play?

4. Not a question, but an opinion. I still blame Otis Taylor a little bit for that tie game, since if he had kept his cool, we would have won.

RJ · 09-18-2009, 12:27 PM

cd.....

1) Yes, I remember a very long delay, though I had forgotten about the placement of the ball.

2) I think you are correct.

3) That would be pretty risky. What if the other team doesn't retaliate? What if you get tossed from the game?

4) I don't think you can blame him. As much emotion as we felt as fans watching on television, can you even imagine what it was for the players on the field? Otis had probably been wanting to fight Davidson long before that play.

**cdcox** · 09-18-2009, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RJ

4) I don't think you can blame him. As much emotion as we felt as fans watching on television, can you even imagine what it was for the players on the field? Otis had probably been wanting to fight Davidson long before that play.

I guess I'm just a cold-hearted SOB. When Davidson first hit Dawson my initial reaction wasn't concern over Dawson or anger against Davidson, instead it was "YES! Half the distance to the goal!"

09-18-2009, 09:10 AM
Mars72 Rookie Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Pleasant Grove, Utah Casino cash: $10004900	Ben Davidson Late Hit Does anyone have a video of Ben Davidson's late hit on Len Dawson? This is the catalyst of Raider hate for me and optimizes the philosophy of the Dirty, Filthy, Stinking, Raiders. I hate those guys. You youngsters who have a problem with the Broncos (I hate the Broncos too.) should watch some of the AFL Games. What a bunch of thugs the Raiders were.
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09-18-2009, 10:08 AM	#18
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09-18-2009, 10:29 AM	#20
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09-18-2009, 11:32 AM	#24
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09-18-2009, 11:36 AM	#25
Norman Einstein MVP Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: USA Casino cash: $10004900	I thinkt he age of a person and the number of years they have been a fan of the Chiefs has a great impact on what team they dislike the most. Anyone here that was around when the Chiefs and Raiders were in their heyday have a well defined hatred of the Raiders. The younger guys were brought up on the Denver wars and thus hate the broncos more than the Raiders. Even younger you have the guys that witnessed the nimrod (ferryman) from San Diego ending the career of Priest Holmes. There is enough to go around in the division, but I'll stick with the Raiders for my most disliked foe.
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09-18-2009, 11:44 AM	#26
buddha You may think you know... Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: California Casino cash: $10006184	What is there to hate San Diego about? I can't think of one significant cheap shot in that series, or anything that ignited hard feelings. San Diego is Switzerland...you most likely don't feel anything toward them, and for good reason. The Donkeys are closer to the Raiders, but that's an age thing. The younger guys will hate Denver more than the older guys. I promise you that you can't find a Chiefs fan who is older than about 46 who doesn't hate the Raiders more than any other team in the NFL. It was THAT bad back then.
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09-18-2009, 12:18 PM	#28
cdcox www.nfl-forecast.com Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $-588231	My memory of that play is that there was a long delay after the fight was over, during which the officials were trying to decide where the ball should be placed. Dawson's run gave the Chiefs a first down and virtually iced the game, even before the penalty was enforced. You'll notice on the next play in the video, the ball was marked back near the 50. But I do not think that was the initial positioning of the ball by the officials. My memory is that Madden threatened to and actually began to remove his players from the field in protest. Finally, the ball was placed back at the 50 and history unfolded. My questions: 1. Does anyone else remember these details the way I do, as far as the controversy of where the ball should be placed? 2. If both Davidson and Taylor were penalized for offsetting dead-ball fouls, where should the ball be placed? I contend it should be where Dawson went down, because the off setting penalties were dead ball, after the play had ended. 3. If the placement of the ball back near the 50 is correct, why would NFL players not routinely commit dead ball fouls whenever a game changing play occurred in hopes of retaliation by the other team and the requirement to re-run the play? 4. Not a question, but an opinion. I still blame Otis Taylor a little bit for that tie game, since if he had kept his cool, we would have won.
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RJ Supporter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: In a shotgun shack Casino cash: $9895202	cd..... 1) Yes, I remember a very long delay, though I had forgotten about the placement of the ball. 2) I think you are correct. 3) That would be pretty risky. What if the other team doesn't retaliate? What if you get tossed from the game? 4) I don't think you can blame him. As much emotion as we felt as fans watching on television, can you even imagine what it was for the players on the field? Otis had probably been wanting to fight Davidson long before that play.
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