NFL Draft Jake Locker #1 prospect? - Page 2

jidar · 09-30-2009, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Locker was going to be a top prospect LAST YEAR before the entire team fell on their faces.

He's got far more NFL upside than Bradford. FAR more.

The stats don't agree with your argument at all. Stats aren't everything but when there is this much of a difference...

Bradford 07-08: 341 attempts, 237 comp, 3121 yards, 8 ints, 36tds, 12 sacks, 176.5 rating
Locker 07-08: 328 attempts, 155 comp, 2062 yards, 15 ints, 14 tds, 18 sacks, 105.0 rating

Also, Bradford is taller.

htismaqe · 09-30-2009, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by jidar

The stats don't agree with your argument at all. Stats aren't everything but when there is this much of a difference...

Bradford 07-08: 341 attempts, 237 comp, 3121 yards, 8 ints, 36tds, 12 sacks, 176.5 rating
Locker 07-08: 328 attempts, 155 comp, 2062 yards, 15 ints, 14 tds, 18 sacks, 105.0 rating

Also, Bradford is taller.

Bradford plays in a spread offense and his WR's are constantly WIDE open. He doesn't make complex reads in that scheme either.

Bradford plays for a team with an INFINITELY better offensive line.

Locker has more things you look for in a pro QB.

jidar · 09-30-2009, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Bradford plays in a spread offense and his WR's are constantly WIDE open. He doesn't make complex reads in that scheme either.

Bradford plays for a team with an INFINITELY better offensive line.

Locker has more things you look for in a pro QB.

Like throwing more Ints than TDs?

Okay, assume we're talking about the drafting style of an NFL team other than the Chiefs.

htismaqe · 09-30-2009, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by jidar

Like throwing more Ints than TDs?

Okay, assume we're talking about the drafting style of an NFL team other than the Chiefs.

He plays for a bad team.

Do I need to list the hundreds of guys that played in systems like Bradford's and put up stats like Bradford's that utterly failed in the NFL?

Spicy McHaggis · 09-30-2009, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jidar

The stats don't agree with your argument at all. Stats aren't everything but when there is this much of a difference...

Bradford 07-08: 341 attempts, 237 comp, 3121 yards, 8 ints, 36tds, 12 sacks, 176.5 rating
Locker 07-08: 328 attempts, 155 comp, 2062 yards, 15 ints, 14 tds, 18 sacks, 105.0 rating

Also, Bradford is taller.

Locker ran for something like 1000 yards and scored over 10 TD's in 2007 too, IIRC.

jidar · 09-30-2009, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Spicy McHaggis

Locker ran for something like 1000 yards and scored over 10 TD's in 2007 too, IIRC.

Yeah but we're talking about NFL potential.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 09-30-2009, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Locker was going to be a top prospect LAST YEAR before the entire team fell on their faces.

He's got far more NFL upside than Bradford. FAR more.

THIS.

RippedmyFlesh · 09-30-2009, 09:18 AM

Now that Locker has a better coach I see him not in style of play but impact similar to cutler. Taking a doormat team and making them respectable. Sometimes that is a bigger hill to climb than a NC for a powerhouse.

TFG · 09-30-2009, 10:02 AM

Yeah, enough. Bradford played on a team last year with a Second Round OLT, a Sixth Round OLG, a C now on the Vikes? active roster, and an ORG cut by the Texans for a DUI. The ORT was a junior and a projected FIRST. Jake Locker had JACK on the OL.

Bradford hasn't thrown a ball since the shoulder got hurt. Wait until he does to see if he has any prayer of coming out early. The most likely scenario is he stays and has a clean-up surgery on the shoulder in the offseason.

Jake Locker's accuracy issues are directly related to poor Huskie pass protection and his "happy feet." When Jake sets his feet correctly in a secure pocket, he has a cannon and is accurate with it.

chief52 · 09-30-2009, 10:10 AM

Pete Carroll called Locker the best QB his team has played against in his 9 years.

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/po...ocker-the-best

But this quote from Carroll about Washington quarterback Jake Locker caught my eye:

"That's the best quarterback we've played in nine years here," Carroll said when told Washington has beaten only Idaho and USC the last two years. " Jake Locker has ridiculous talent, and had he remained healthy last year, Tyrone [Willingham] would still be coaching there."

Chiefnj2 · 09-30-2009, 11:27 AM

People on this board underestimate Bradford. I'm not saying he's going to be a great or very good pro or anything, but his receivers are just as open and just as covered as Sanchez' were, or that of any other major program. He throws a very nice catchable ball with great touch. Of course the system and leash he is on may mean he never develops as an NFL QB.

htismaqe · 09-30-2009, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

People on this board underestimate Bradford. I'm not saying he's going to be a great or very good pro or anything, but his receivers are just as open and just as covered as Sanchez' were, or that of any other major program. He throws a very nice catchable ball with great touch. Of course the system and leash he is on may mean he never develops as an NFL QB.

Bradford's scheme doesn't require him to make reads pre-snap. They line up and run their plays without making any adjustments to defensive alignment. That makes it MUCH easier on Bradford and it's a further testament to the amount talent that surrounds him.

The way the spread works basically means that guys like this have never had to read a defense or go through progressions like they will have to in the NFL.

Chiefnj2 · 09-30-2009, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Bradford's scheme doesn't require him to make reads pre-snap. They line up and run their plays without making any adjustments to defensive alignment. That makes it MUCH easier on Bradford and it's a further testament to the amount talent that surrounds him.

The way the spread works basically means that guys like this have never had to read a defense or go through progressions like they will have to in the NFL.

I understand the limitations of the system. He may not be able to operate in a pro style offense. He may not be good at reading defenses or making his own calls, etc. In his system, he throws a nice ball. He's accurate and has a good arm. That's all I'm saying.

htismaqe · 09-30-2009, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

I understand the limitations of the system. He may not be able to operate in a pro style offense. He may not be good at reading defenses or making his own calls, etc. In his system, he throws a nice ball. He's accurate and has a good arm. That's all I'm saying.

I don't disagree.

But that wasn't the contention.

The contention was that Bradford was a better pro prospect than Locker and he's really not.

jidar · 09-30-2009, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Bradford's scheme doesn't require him to make reads pre-snap. They line up and run their plays without making any adjustments to defensive alignment. That makes it MUCH easier on Bradford and it's a further testament to the amount talent that surrounds him.

The way the spread works basically means that guys like this have never had to read a defense or go through progressions like they will have to in the NFL.

Yeah but Locker is a good college QB because of his speed and athleticism. Those things do not have as big an impact on a QBs NFL success as his ability to throw a pass, which Locker isn't that great at.

I can make a list of college QBs running who sucked in the NFL all day, but the bigger issue here is that I can't make a list of too many good running QBs in the NFL.

Bradford has more upside because he least he plays in a passing offense and guys like him have had success at the pro level.

09-30-2009, 09:18 AM	#8
RippedmyFlesh Veteran Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: New York Casino cash: $10005817	Now that Locker has a better coach I see him not in style of play but impact similar to cutler. Taking a doormat team and making them respectable. Sometimes that is a bigger hill to climb than a NC for a powerhouse.
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09-30-2009, 10:02 AM	#9
TFG Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Casino cash: $10004900	Yeah, enough. Bradford played on a team last year with a Second Round OLT, a Sixth Round OLG, a C now on the Vikes? active roster, and an ORG cut by the Texans for a DUI. The ORT was a junior and a projected FIRST. Jake Locker had JACK on the OL. Bradford hasn't thrown a ball since the shoulder got hurt. Wait until he does to see if he has any prayer of coming out early. The most likely scenario is he stays and has a clean-up surgery on the shoulder in the offseason. Jake Locker's accuracy issues are directly related to poor Huskie pass protection and his "happy feet." When Jake sets his feet correctly in a secure pocket, he has a cannon and is accurate with it.
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09-30-2009, 10:10 AM	#10
chief52 Veteran Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NoCal Casino cash: $9805260	Pete Carroll called Locker the best QB his team has played against in his 9 years. http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/po...ocker-the-best But this quote from Carroll about Washington quarterback Jake Locker caught my eye: "That's the best quarterback we've played in nine years here," Carroll said when told Washington has beaten only Idaho and USC the last two years. " Jake Locker has ridiculous talent, and had he remained healthy last year, Tyrone [Willingham] would still be coaching there."
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09-30-2009, 11:27 AM	#11
Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $6654388	People on this board underestimate Bradford. I'm not saying he's going to be a great or very good pro or anything, but his receivers are just as open and just as covered as Sanchez' were, or that of any other major program. He throws a very nice catchable ball with great touch. Of course the system and leash he is on may mean he never develops as an NFL QB. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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