Chiefs It's all about the offensive line. - Page 2

Chris Meck · 10-25-2009, 05:45 PM

Seriously. We cannot run block. We cannot pass block. We cannot hang on to the ball, so our defense tires and gives up big plays.

No skill position player is going to amount to squat when the line is that bad.

People want to take a safety in the top 3? Really? What good is that going to do? We'll lose by 20 instead of 30, I guess.

This line needs a complete and total overhaul. That's as bad of a line as I've ever seen. A complete abortion.

Waters is just as bad as all the rest at this point in his career, too. the ONLY (kind of maybe) bright spots today were Barry Richardson's mediocre to fair job at LT and Smith at C did fair. The rest have no place on an NFL field.

**DeezNutz** · 10-25-2009, 05:57 PM

We have three picks in the first two rounds.

It would be a mistake NOT to go o-line with all of these selections.

Mecca · 10-25-2009, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

That would just be silly. We need a center much more.

If you take an interior lineman with a top 15 pick you should literally be fired on the spot.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-25-2009, 05:58 PM

We could have easily picked up multiple long term solutions instead of Donald Washington, Colin Brown, and Magee, but the great Pioli knows all.

chiefs1111 · 10-25-2009, 05:59 PM

It's all about this team not having nearly enough talent.

allen_kcCard · 10-25-2009, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

We have three picks in the first two rounds.

It would be a mistake NOT to go o-line with all of these selections.

Bullshit. It might be a mistake not to go o-line with one of them, but all of them is rediculous.

EDIT: And by one of them, I mean more lie the 3rd one...mabye the 2nd if there is a big value there, NOT the 1st.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-25-2009, 06:01 PM

Just imagine:

Take Luigs in the 4th
Robinson in the 5th

Pick up Meredith off the wire.

Gives you an OL of

Albert (Richardson)
Waters (Smith)
Luigs (Smith)
Robinson (Niswanger)
Meredith (Richardson) (O'Callaghan)

Just replace Waters in the next draft, and viola.

That's why mid-round picks are important.

Mecca · 10-25-2009, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

We could have easily picked up multiple long term solutions instead of Donald Washington, Colin Brown, and Magee, but the great Pioli knows all.

I find it funny how all the things said on draft day are coming true yet anyone who dared say them 6 months ago was crucified.

**Rain Man** · 10-25-2009, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Here's the real question...

Is the new regime either so poor at talent evaluation they thought these guys were fine or are they so arrogant they literally thought "hey we can coach up any scrubs in our scheme they'll work out"

Whichever one it is it's a horrible sign.

I'm still not going to criticize them 7 games into a major turnaround project, so how about this as a potential good theory?

They realize the importance of key positions like defensive line and quarterback, and know that it's not going to be a one-year turnaround. And they know that there's no guarantee that a d-lineman or quarterback will work out. So they decided to roll the dice on those positions first with Jackson, Cassel, and Magee as their major investments, feeling that they have a usable RB or two and a usable WR, and they can rebuild the offensive line next year or whenever they get the d-line and QB positions nailed down.

The only hole in this theory is all the cap money sitting in a bank vault somewhere.

**DeezNutz** · 10-25-2009, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by allen_kcCard

Bullshit. It might be a mistake not to go o-line with one of them, but all of them is rediculous.

EDIT: And by one of them, I mean more lie the 3rd one...mabye the 2nd if there is a big value there, NOT the 1st.

Obviously you don't care about winning.

Everything on this team begins and ends with the o-line; it's the Patriot way.

Mecca · 10-25-2009, 06:05 PM

That still makes no sense rainman, why would you go invest in the QB then not do anything with the OL that year?

That theory would have made sense if they had drafted a rookie and sat him. Basically putting a bum out there to be the sacrifice.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-25-2009, 06:06 PM

It's been 9 months, not 7 games.

**Rain Man** · 10-25-2009, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

If you take an interior lineman with a top 15 pick you should literally be fired on the spot.

I was just poking you with a stick.

But honestly, I feel kind of the same way about safeties, but everyone is hot around here on taking a safety with a top-five pick, and that scares me.

milkman · 10-25-2009, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

I'm still not going to criticize them 7 games into a major turnaround project, so how about this as a potential good theory?

They realize the importance of key positions like defensive line and quarterback, and know that it's not going to be a one-year turnaround. And they know that there's no guarantee that a d-lineman or quarterback will work out. So they decided to roll the dice on those positions first with Jackson, Cassel, and Magee as their major investments, feeling that they have a usable RB or two and a usable WR, and they can rebuild the offensive line next year or whenever they get the d-line and QB positions nailed down.

The only hole in this theory is all the cap money sitting in a bank vault somewhere.

If they absolutely had to go with a 5 tech DE with a top 5, Suh in the next draft would been a better value than jackson in this draft.

Though, justifying a 5 tech in the top 5 is really difficult to do.

Mecca · 10-25-2009, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

I was just poking you with a stick.

But honestly, I feel kind of the same way about safeties, but everyone is hot around here on taking a safety with a top-five pick, and that scares me.

Have you seen how valuable safeties are now?

The league is pass happy, having a playmaker at safety is something basically all of the top defenses have in common.

**DeezNutz** · 10-25-2009, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

I was just poking you with a stick.

But honestly, I feel kind of the same way about safeties, but everyone is hot around here on taking a safety with a top-five pick, and that scares me.

I'm glad you clarified that you were using a stick. I was about to get really disgusted.

10-25-2009, 05:45 PM
Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $-1455090	It's all about the offensive line. Seriously. We cannot run block. We cannot pass block. We cannot hang on to the ball, so our defense tires and gives up big plays. No skill position player is going to amount to squat when the line is that bad. People want to take a safety in the top 3? Really? What good is that going to do? We'll lose by 20 instead of 30, I guess. This line needs a complete and total overhaul. That's as bad of a line as I've ever seen. A complete abortion. Waters is just as bad as all the rest at this point in his career, too. the ONLY (kind of maybe) bright spots today were Barry Richardson's mediocre to fair job at LT and Smith at C did fair. The rest have no place on an NFL field.
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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	We could have easily picked up multiple long term solutions instead of Donald Washington, Colin Brown, and Magee, but the great Pioli knows all. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	Just imagine: Take Luigs in the 4th Robinson in the 5th Pick up Meredith off the wire. Gives you an OL of Albert (Richardson) Waters (Smith) Luigs (Smith) Robinson (Niswanger) Meredith (Richardson) (O'Callaghan) Just replace Waters in the next draft, and viola. That's why mid-round picks are important. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-782950	That still makes no sense rainman, why would you go invest in the QB then not do anything with the OL that year? That theory would have made sense if they had drafted a rookie and sat him. Basically putting a bum out there to be the sacrifice.
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10-25-2009, 06:06 PM	#26
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	It's been 9 months, not 7 games. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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