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Boyceofsummer · 12-17-2009, 12:17 PM

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Too Bad The Chiefs Are Married to Todd Haley

by Matt Conner

Let me be very, very clear from the outset: the Kansas City Chiefs should not make any changes to their head coaching situation for 2010. Now with that said, let me write an entire article that seems to point to the opposite.

My primary thoughts at this time of day are spurred by the ridiculous buzz swirling current NFL head coaching wanna-bes salivating over all kinds of wonderfully desperate situations. The Redskins, Buccaneers, Bills, Bears, Browns, Raiders, Cowboys and more all sit with neon "vacancy" signs up (or pending ones, it seems) and the likes of Mike Shanahan, Bill Cowher, Jon Gruden, Mike Holmgren and hot assistants like Leslie Frazier (Minnesota's defensive coordinator) are all in the spotlight. And that's with a few weeks still left of the regular season.

It's the sort of rumors that fans of losing franchises love to read about, considering there's not much on-field product worth pondering. It's also something Kansas City fans must remember from this time a year ago when "what ifs" floated around Arrowhead like Rocky Mountain cloud formations. But unlike last year, this season's coaching candidates are absolutely off the charts in terms of experience, expertise and sheer reputation. And that's a shame the Chiefs cannot be in on this bunch.

More after the jump:

Star-divide
Of course, the Chiefs won the grand prize last year, when the front office candidates available looked like this year's coaching hires. Scott Pioli was the head of the class, the best in the business, and when he shook hands with Clark Hunt, every KC fan (and NFL fan for that matter) knew there were much better days ahead in the City of Fountains. But the same couldn't be said of Pioli's choice for head coach.

Now, the Chiefs must sit this off-season with Todd Haley while the most beautiful head coaching class in a long time struts their stuff for teams in need. It's the equivalent of being over the salary cap next summer while having to passively watch the upcoming free agent class of 2010 in the NBA, when LeBron, Chris Bosh and others change permanent addresses. When such options are available, one can't help but wonder what it would look like for a Cowher or Shanahan to walk the sidelines of the red and gold.

We've seen unending posts both favoring Todd Haley and slamming the first-year HC. There are valid points to be made on all sides. But we are married. You don't change head coaches that quickly, so we have what we have and the absolute worst move would be to can Haley at this point. He deserves to grow with the job, to see this thing through and fans should understand that. That doesn't mean, however, that we don't look at the current dating scene and wonder what it'd be like to be single again. It's a fine class and even as a non-participant, it should be fun to watch it unfold.

ToxSocks · 12-17-2009, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mojo Jojo

Just to be another one to disagree, and to be a pain in the ass...
If the 08 Chiefs played the 09 Chiefs ...it would come down to coaching. As much as this hurts...Herm wins over Todd. Herm had respect of his players...Todd not so much, and one game Herm is the kind of coach that may make that happen. Herm kept his teams close...Todd's team gives up.

Todd's team doesn't give up. even when they are getting blown out they still play hard. obviously, when you get blown out and are at the bottom of the league, players heads will hang, which is what we're seeing. But they aren't giving up.

Herm's 08 team couldn't finish they were awful under Herm's direction, and that was WITH TONY G. Chan Gaily saved that team. Why is it that no one can remember what that 08 team looked like before Chan installed his Pistol offense and entertained us for the rest of the season.

If the 09 team played the 08 team, the 09 team would win. The Difference? The ability to rush the passer. Let's not forget that we are on pace to double our sack total from last year. I know that isn't saying much, but it's obvious the pass rush has improved. The O-Line play this year is still better then the O-Line play of last year.

This year's team is better overall than last years. But this year's passing game is much worse. Chalk that up to the loss of TG, merry-go-round at WR, and trying to run a pro style O with a spread style QB.

Reerun_KC · 12-17-2009, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

Todd's team doesn't give up. even when they are getting blown out they still play hard. obviously, when you get blown out and are at the bottom of the league, players heads will hang, which is what we're seeing. But they aren't giving up.

Herm's 08 team couldn't finish they were awful under Herm's direction, and that was WITH TONY G. Chan Gaily saved that team. Why is it that no one can remember what that 08 team looked like before Chan installed his Pistol offense and entertained us for the rest of the season.

Of the 09 team played the 08 team, the 09 team would win. The Difference? The ability to rush the passer. Let's not forget that we are on pace to double our sack total from last year. I know that isn't saying much, but it's obvious the pass rush has improved. The O-Line play this year is still better then the O-Line play of last year.

This year's team is better overall than last years. But this year's passing game is much worse. Chalk that up to the loss of TG, merry-go-round at WR, and trying to run a pro style O with a spread style QB.

Very good points....

Love that signature... I remember when I wrote it...

**petegz28** · 12-17-2009, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Yet we have seen time and time again where coaching over the last 3 years really hurt time team... Failing with the use of timeouts, poor clock management, wtf play calls, stupid talent evaluation, playing less talented veteran players over younger better players......

Herm had the respect, because he didnt hold anyone accountable. Well expect the place kicker he drafted then cut after the first game...

There are faults on both sides. Herm should of known better, Haley is learning, not sure he is learning from his fails, but he has no where to go but up...

Just my .02$

Haley is better than Herm. He just needs to polish his act and get an OC and a QB coach. Other than that I like his attitude and the way he wants the team to play. And he needs to replace Clancy........REALLY needs to do that.

Coogs · 12-17-2009, 01:16 PM

If the 08 Chiefs played the 09 Chiefs... man that could be a commical classic finish. Pendergast with a lead trying to hold off Herm and his clock management issues or Gun trying to hold off Haley and his clock management issues.

keg in kc · 12-17-2009, 01:17 PM

I think the '09 Chiefs would wipe the field with the '08 team. It's easy to get tunnel vision when you're 3 and whatever, but that grass ain't greener people. Not a bit.

DMAC · 12-17-2009, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Never experienced?

Do you really think that this abortion of a football team and coaching staff is better than last year's team and coaching?

Really?

Last year's team would have kicked the living shit out of this year's team.

Hands down.

Last years team had 10 sacks. Discussion over.

Mecca · 12-17-2009, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

No coach with the lack of talent that this team has is going anywhere in his 1st year. Sorry, but that's the fact.

So is the lack of talent the reason he makes really stupid game management decisions all the time?

ToxSocks · 12-17-2009, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

Haley is better than Herm. He just needs to polish his act and get an OC and a QB coach. Other than that I like his attitude and the way he wants the team to play. And he needs to replace Clancy........REALLY needs to do that.

I agree. Haley is a better coach, and if he had more talented players, he wouldn't be as prone to making these stupid desperation calls that he makes, because he wouldn't need too.

Haley MUST work on his clock management though. That's my biggest disapointment about him. His game/clock managment is awful, but can/will improve with an OC and QB coach. Haley admits when he is wrong, has a passion for the game and wants to win BAD.

Herm was an idiot. Chan saved him from being lynched mid-way through the season. He never admitted when he was wrong and let his players run his team.

Mojo Jojo · 12-17-2009, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

Haley is better than Herm. He just needs to polish his act and get an OC and a QB coach. Other than that I like his attitude and the way he wants the team to play. And he needs to replace Clancy........REALLY needs to do that.

Todd is the better coach..he just needs to replace the people he hired and fired. Isn't that part of being the head coach...getting the right people...just more bad decisions by Todd.

ToxSocks · 12-17-2009, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

So is the lack of talent the reason he makes really stupid game management decisions all the time?

Yes, it really is. He has no faith in his team, so he makes stupid calls. Is it wrong for him to know he has no talent on this squad? He feels the same way we, and the rest of the NFL feel about this team: they suck. He is coaching like it's Madden because he feels like his O needs as many chances it can get to succeed.

Royal Fanatic · 12-17-2009, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Boyceofsummer

and the likes of Mike Shanahan, Bill Cowher, Jon Gruden, Mike Holmgren and hot assistants like Leslie Frazier (Minnesota's defensive coordinator) are all in the spotlight.

Once Pioli was hired, there was no way that Shanahan, Cowher, or Holmgren would come here. They would want more control of personnel decisions.

Deberg_1990 · 12-17-2009, 02:08 PM

So how much longer are you guys willing to give Haley?

What if next years team starts off 0-4, 0-5 or 0-6??

keg in kc · 12-17-2009, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

So how much longer are you guys willing to give Haley?

What if next years team starts off 0-4, 0-5 or 0-6??

It would depend on the how of the losses, but I think if the team's not significantly better after year two he should be out.

Chiefnj2 · 12-17-2009, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

So how much longer are you guys willing to give Haley?

What if next years team starts off 0-4, 0-5 or 0-6??

Who replaces midseason? Clancy? Maurice Carthon?

beach tribe · 12-17-2009, 02:10 PM

So only 13 Head coaches have ever inherited teams this bad in the last 40 years. LOL.

12-17-2009, 12:17 PM
Boyceofsummer That Doyle, he's a mean-un Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Salina, Kansas Casino cash: $10004900	Too Bad The Chiefs Are Married to Todd Haley http://fwix.com/share/55_c6b76c6022 Too Bad The Chiefs Are Married to Todd Haley by Matt Conner Let me be very, very clear from the outset: the Kansas City Chiefs should not make any changes to their head coaching situation for 2010. Now with that said, let me write an entire article that seems to point to the opposite. My primary thoughts at this time of day are spurred by the ridiculous buzz swirling current NFL head coaching wanna-bes salivating over all kinds of wonderfully desperate situations. The Redskins, Buccaneers, Bills, Bears, Browns, Raiders, Cowboys and more all sit with neon "vacancy" signs up (or pending ones, it seems) and the likes of Mike Shanahan, Bill Cowher, Jon Gruden, Mike Holmgren and hot assistants like Leslie Frazier (Minnesota's defensive coordinator) are all in the spotlight. And that's with a few weeks still left of the regular season. It's the sort of rumors that fans of losing franchises love to read about, considering there's not much on-field product worth pondering. It's also something Kansas City fans must remember from this time a year ago when "what ifs" floated around Arrowhead like Rocky Mountain cloud formations. But unlike last year, this season's coaching candidates are absolutely off the charts in terms of experience, expertise and sheer reputation. And that's a shame the Chiefs cannot be in on this bunch. More after the jump: Star-divide Of course, the Chiefs won the grand prize last year, when the front office candidates available looked like this year's coaching hires. Scott Pioli was the head of the class, the best in the business, and when he shook hands with Clark Hunt, every KC fan (and NFL fan for that matter) knew there were much better days ahead in the City of Fountains. But the same couldn't be said of Pioli's choice for head coach. Now, the Chiefs must sit this off-season with Todd Haley while the most beautiful head coaching class in a long time struts their stuff for teams in need. It's the equivalent of being over the salary cap next summer while having to passively watch the upcoming free agent class of 2010 in the NBA, when LeBron, Chris Bosh and others change permanent addresses. When such options are available, one can't help but wonder what it would look like for a Cowher or Shanahan to walk the sidelines of the red and gold. We've seen unending posts both favoring Todd Haley and slamming the first-year HC. There are valid points to be made on all sides. But we are married. You don't change head coaches that quickly, so we have what we have and the absolute worst move would be to can Haley at this point. He deserves to grow with the job, to see this thing through and fans should understand that. That doesn't mean, however, that we don't look at the current dating scene and wonder what it'd be like to be single again. It's a fine class and even as a non-participant, it should be fun to watch it unfold.
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Coogs In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Northern Kansas Casino cash: $-2265651	If the 08 Chiefs played the 09 Chiefs... man that could be a commical classic finish. Pendergast with a lead trying to hold off Herm and his clock management issues or Gun trying to hold off Haley and his clock management issues.
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keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	I think the '09 Chiefs would wipe the field with the '08 team. It's easy to get tunnel vision when you're 3 and whatever, but that grass ain't greener people. Not a bit.
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