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Old 01-06-2010, 07:08 PM  
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Getting The Band Back Together
Exact words from The Doug Gottlieb Show about Pioli's proclivity for hiring guys from "The Tree".

It's also a tried and true method in the NFL over the last couple of decades. Let's take a look at how getting the band back together worked out.

Walsh, Bill. Almost single-handedly built the 49er Dynasty. Was lured back to SF from 1999-2001 as GM. The team experienced moderate success over this time, going 12-4 in 2001, but not winning a playoff game during his tenure.

Vermeil, Dick. Tried to rebuild the '99 Rams with the 2001-2005 Chiefs. Had 2/5 winning seasons and a winning record overall, but never won a playoff game.

Holmgren, Mike. Assumed full control of the Seahawks after leaving GB. Even traded for his old backup QB in the process. Although the team achieved a SB berth, this was after Holmgren had been stripped of his GM duties in 2002, and Bob Ferguson took over.

Policy, Carmen. Former "Executive of the Year" from SF was lured to rebuild the Cleveland Browns. Installed former SF Buddy Dwight Clark as GM. Crashed and burned like the ****ing Hindenburg.

Johnson, Jimmy. The man who built the 90's Cowboys was charged with building the late 90's Dolphins into something Shula couldn't for the last 25 years--a SB champion. Johnson brought in his old assistants towards the end (Wannstedt) but could never match the success he had in Dallas. Ended his tenure with a 62 point ass raping from the Jags.
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Old 01-06-2010, 08:12 PM   #16
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Memo to Fat Scott... TALENT wins, not coaches.

Look at the 4 teams with byes in the playoffs this year... coached by the likes of Norv Turner, Jim Caldwell, Sean Payton and Brad Childress.

None of those guys are going to conjur up images of Vince Lombardi.

All those teams are the top teams in their respective conferences primarily because of the talent they possess on the field... and not as because of the coaching staff on the sideline.
Hot damn, here's an idea... someone should tell Pioli... that he might try upgrading the talent... I bet he hadn't considered doing this...
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Old 01-06-2010, 08:17 PM   #18
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Exact words from The Doug Gottlieb Show about Pioli's proclivity for hiring guys from "The Tree".

It's also a tried and true method in the NFL over the last couple of decades. Let's take a look at how getting the band back together worked out.

Walsh, Bill. Almost single-handedly built the 49er Dynasty. Was lured back to SF from 1999-2001 as GM. The team experienced moderate success over this time, going 12-4 in 2001, but not winning a playoff game during his tenure.

Vermeil, Dick. Tried to rebuild the '99 Rams with the 2001-2005 Chiefs. Had 2/5 winning seasons and a winning record overall, but never won a playoff game.

Holmgren, Mike. Assumed full control of the Seahawks after leaving GB. Even traded for his old backup QB in the process. Although the team achieved a SB berth, this was after Holmgren had been stripped of his GM duties in 2002, and Bob Ferguson took over.

Policy, Carmen. Former "Executive of the Year" from SF was lured to rebuild the Cleveland Browns. Installed former SF Buddy Dwight Clark as GM. Crashed and burned like the ****ing Hindenburg.

Johnson, Jimmy. The man who built the 90's Cowboys was charged with building the late 90's Dolphins into something Shula couldn't for the last 25 years--a SB champion. Johnson brought in his old assistants towards the end (Wannstedt) but could never match the success he had in Dallas. Ended his tenure with a 62 point ass raping from the Jags.
that's really dumb....there is no measurable variable called "getting coaches back together" or whatever you and "NFL guru" Doug Gottlieb want to call it...

the reasons for failure are the same everywhere, always, and have nothing to do with whether or not coaches had previously co-habitated..

people fail because they make bad decisions, execute poorly, lack forsesight and imagination, and/or are simply incompetent...along with the variables of the players they coach who fail for the same reasons...add in the GM, the franchises proclivity to spend $$$, their ability to draft talent, etc, relative talent levels of other teams in the league, and you get a workable batch of interconnected reasons for why a regime at a certain time and place succeeds or fails...

it has dick to do with them previously working together...literally nothing...your grasp of logic is so ****ing poor it makes me want to listen to the same goth music you must have been listening to when you posted this embarrassing nonsense....

maybe people on the planet could pull their ****ing heads out of their asses for awhile.....****
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Old 01-06-2010, 08:18 PM   #19
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plus KU is losing to Cornell, which is way more important right now
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plus KU is losing to Cornell, which is way more important right now

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HEY! I like a band that could play good music.

I can't wait to hear that music..all we need now are the proper set of drums, guitars, keyboards, mics, all the right equipment necessary and its rock and roll!!! SHOWTIME!!!!WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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that's really dumb....there is no measurable variable called "getting coaches back together" or whatever you and "NFL guru" Doug Gottlieb want to call it...

the reasons for failure are the same everywhere, always, and have nothing to do with whether or not coaches had previously co-habitated..

people fail because they make bad decisions, execute poorly, lack forsesight and imagination, and/or are simply incompetent...along with the variables of the players they coach who fail for the same reasons...add in the GM, the franchises proclivity to spend $$$, their ability to draft talent, etc, relative talent levels of other teams in the league, and you get a workable batch of interconnected reasons for why a regime at a certain time and place succeeds or fails...

it has dick to do with them previously working together...literally nothing...your grasp of logic is so ****ing poor it makes me want to listen to the same goth music you must have been listening to when you posted this embarrassing nonsense....

maybe people on the planet could pull their ****ing heads out of their asses for awhile.....****
Define irony. The guy who says that people fail because they lack imagination and foresight tells me my logic is horrible.
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I am ok with it. our HC is a new guy, so i am fine with it. If he doesnt work. so the **** what, it hasnt worked for 40 years whats another few.
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I am ok with it. our HC is a new guy, so i am fine with it. If he doesnt work. so the **** what, it hasnt worked for 40 years whats another few.
Another few could mean the differenece between seeing another Championship in our lifetime, or watching it from the hereafter.
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Vermeil, Dick. Tried to rebuild the '99 Rams with the 2001-2005 Chiefs. Had 2/5 winning seasons and a winning record overall, but never won a playoff game.

Holmgren, Mike. Assumed full control of the Seahawks after leaving GB. Even traded for his old backup QB in the process. Although the team achieved a SB berth, this was after Holmgren had been stripped of his GM duties in 2002, and Bob Ferguson took over.
OK, #1 Vermeil took the EAGLES to a superbowl and then won one with St Louis THEN came to KC.

Holmgren (as you stated) made it back to the superbowl... pretty damn good.

..and I notice three names missing...

Parcells, Shula and Reeves.

so, it looks about 50/50... which I am fine with saying that the argument holds no water... we are left to judge the coaches based on what they will/won't bring to the table NOW ...not any past garbage. (as a positive or negative)

Unfortunately, neither has been an OC/DC the last few years... so impossible to judge accurately... just guessing at this point.

We'll only KNOW the answer a few months into next season... maybe sooner if Weis is gonna run the exact same offense that Haley runs.

Past Superbowls do not translate into either good or poor performance the next time around. Period.
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Are Weis and Crennel not qualified enough for you Hamas? Holy Christ...

My expectations for next year? As of right now...

8-8
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My question is... can't we up grade our coaches AND talent? Why cry about upgrading our coaches now? We are so jaded as Chiefs fans we can't even appreciate what we have in front of us. Who gives a rip if we are bringing the band back together... it is a hell of a lot better than we have had in YEAAARRRSSS!

Btw, my expectations are also 8-8 next season.
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