Arguments for a Left Tackle in the 2010 Draft.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

Arguments against this thread: abortion is still legal.

[The Franchise]

I would rather see us take a large number of players before we take a LT.

Clausen
McClain
Haden
Spiller
Mays

****....I'd even rather see us take Dan ****ing Williams before we take a LT.

[Nightfyre]

One thing you have not considered, mr. Saccogoo, is how much does cassel contribute to the sack issue, either through a poor cadence or holding on to the ball too long. Check how many times he was sacked in new england last year behind their line. As I recall, it was a staggering figure.

Further, you assume albert can successfully transition to the right side - which is a substantial risk. Further still, you want to draft in the top 5 against the strengths of this draft class. Okung is a value-reach at best at 5.

Those are my arguments.
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[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

One thing you have not considered, mr. Saccogoo, is how much does cassel contribute to the sack issue, either through a poor cadence or holding on to the ball too long. Check how many times he was sacked in new england last year behind their line. As I recall, it was a staggering figure.

Further, you assume albert can successfully transition to the right side - which is a substantial risk. Further still, you want to draft in the top 5 against the strengths of this draft class. Okung is a value-reach at best at 5.

Those are my arguments.
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You're wasting your time. He doesn't consider anything. He's already decided that Albert is trash because he has a poor 8 games in two years.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

One thing you have not considered, mr. Saccogoo, is how much does cassel contribute to the sack issue, either through a poor cadence or holding on to the ball too long. Check how many times he was sacked in new england last year behind their line. As I recall, it was a staggering figure.

Further, you assume albert can successfully transition to the right side - which is a substantial risk. Further still, you want to draft in the top 5 against the strengths of this draft class. Okung is a value-reach at best at 5.

Those are my arguments.
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I don't see how Okung is a value reach as nearly everyone to a man considers him the best LT in the draft and compares his potential to guys like Joe Thomas and D'brickashaw Ferguson. He's equal or better at his position than anyone outside of Berry and Suh. Last year there was talk of Okung potentially being one of the first tackles taken in the draft last year if he decided to declare. That's not a value reach pick by any stretch.

And I also don't see how that is the least bit relevant to "the strengths of this draft class." It's a deep class at a lot of positions. Tight end might be the deepest of all the positions. Wouldn't you take the best LT in the draft if you had the chance to do so if you needed one knowing that it wasn't a deep LT class? If it's a deep class at a particular position, you can forgo taking a guy at that position early on and still pick up a guy later in the draft that is close to that #1 guys abilities. (I'm pretty sure that's what they mean by picking to the strength of a particular positions strength.) e.g., If the Chiefs don't pick Eric Berry with their first round pick, there will still be a lot of quality players to choose from at the safety position later on in the draft.

And I'm advocating Albert move to LG rather than RT. Let him bulk back up and play in the box where his deficiencies aren't as likely to be exposed as they are on the edge. It's the position he played in college and the position where he received so many raves and accolades because of his play there. Even Albert said he wouldn't have a problem/be happy about moving over when there was talk of the Chiefs selecting Monroe last year.

And yes, I agree with you that Cassel holds the ball a bit longer than some other quarterbacks. Thus the need for a good offensive line to give him that extra second to make the play. His manner of play needs a good O-line as a poor blocking line (see the Chiefs giving up an ungodly amount of sacks this past season) is going to exacerbate any potential problems in his game. (Rothlisberger and Rogers are the same way.)

[WildTurkey]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I don't see how Okung is a value reach as nearly everyone to a man considers him the best LT in the draft and compares his potential to guys like Joe Thomas and D'brickashaw Ferguson. He's equal or better at his position than anyone outside of Berry and Suh. Last year there was talk of Okung potentially being one of the first tackles taken in the draft last year if he decided to declare. That's not a value reach pick by any stretch.

And I also don't see how that is the least bit relevant to "the strengths of this draft class." It's a deep class at a lot of positions. Tight end might be the deepest of all the positions. Wouldn't you take the best LT in the draft if you had the chance to do so if you needed one knowing that it wasn't a deep LT class? If it's a deep class at a particular position, you can forgo taking a guy at that position early on and still pick up a guy later in the draft that is close to that #1 guys abilities. (I'm pretty sure that's what they mean by picking to the strength of a particular positions strength.) e.g., If the Chiefs don't pick Eric Berry with their first round pick, there will still be a lot of quality players to choose from at the safety position later on in the draft.

And I'm advocating Albert move to LG rather than RT. Let him bulk back up and play in the box where his deficiencies aren't as likely to be exposed as they are on the edge. It's the position he played in college and the position where he received so many raves and accolades because of his play there. Even Albert said he wouldn't have a problem/be happy about moving over when there was talk of the Chiefs selecting Monroe last year.

And yes, I agree with you that Cassel holds the ball a bit longer than some other quarterbacks. Thus the need for a good offensive line to give him that extra second to make the play. His manner of play needs a good O-line as a poor blocking line (see the Chiefs giving up an ungodly amount of sacks this past season) is going to exacerbate any potential problems in his game. (Rothlisberger and Rogers are the same way.)

I have not read those comparisons in what I have read on him and watching him play I'm no draft or scouting expert but I don't see a dominating LT which is what I want at #5

[cdcox]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

And yes, I agree with you that Cassel holds the ball a bit longer than some other quarterbacks. Thus the need for a good offensive line to give him that extra second to make the play.

No, you don't get it. If you give Cassel 3 seconds, he'll take 4. If you give him 4, he'll take 5. No receiver is quite open enough for him to throw the ball to him. He's not decisive. Probably because he doesn't have confidence in his arm/accruacy.

The solution to better QB play is not to get a better OL, the solution is to get a better QB. Just like Jamal Charles made the run blocking look a whole lot better than LJ did. The OL is adequate. You can make it better over time by drafting good players in rounds 3 and later. You need to use your early picks for playmakers, cause you aren't going to stumble over those in the later rounds very often.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by cdcox

No, you don't get it. If you give Cassel 3 seconds, he'll take 4. If you give him 4, he'll take 5. No receiver is quite open enough for him to throw the ball to him. He's not decisive. Probably because he doesn't have confidence in his arm/accruacy.

The solution to better QB play is not to get a better OL, the solution is to get a better QB. Just like Jamal Charles made the run blocking look a whole lot better than LJ did. The OL is adequate. You can make it better over time by drafting good players in rounds 3 and later. You need to use your early picks for playmakers, cause you aren't going to stumble over those in the later rounds very often.

Well said.

Cassel took 8 sacks in the final 6 games, yet played his worst football over that timeframe.

I'm sick of everyone else getting blamed for the failures of our QB.

[chiefs1111]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Well said.

Cassel took 8 sacks in the final 6 games, yet played his worst football over that timeframe.

I'm sick of everyone else getting blamed for the failures of our QB.

Well said. Cassel could have 10 seconds to throw a pass,take a sack and some people here would still blame the line.

[Demonpenz]

moving albert to the right side makes sense because tebow is left handed

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Funny how you clipped the Walter excerpt, when they said that Albert played almost flawlessly the second half of the year.

Branden Albert improved over the season and was pretty flawless in the final month. But I'm not convinced that he's a franchise left tackle. There's a chance that he could be, but I don't think anyone can seriously say that he's a lock to be one.

Neg rep for intellectual dishonesty.

Additionally, Walter most likely didn't watch the majority of Chiefs games and didn't know that Albert was

A) Struggling with weight
B) Learning new technique.

Funny how once he got both those down, his play improved. But let's give up on him after two years.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Funny how you clipped the Walter excerpt, when they said that Albert played almost flawlessly the second half of the year.

Branden Albert improved over the season and was pretty flawless in the final month. But I'm not convinced that he's a franchise left tackle. There's a chance that he could be, but I don't think anyone can seriously say that he's a lock to be one.

Neg rep for intellectual dishonesty.

Additionally, Walter most likely didn't watch the majority of Chiefs games and didn't know that Albert was

A) Struggling with weight
B) Learning new technique.

Funny how once he got both those down, his play improved. But let's give up on him after two years.

Nice find.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Nice find.

What? That I left out the part where Walter said he's not a franchise left tackle and thinks he'll never be one? And that somehow goes against my argument?

Yeah, nice find Hamas. Thanks for helping me support my argument against Albert as our LT.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

What? That I left out the part where Walter said he's not a franchise left tackle and thinks he'll never be one? And that somehow goes against my argument?

Yeah, nice find Hamas. Thanks for helping me support my argument against Albert as our LT.

No, dipshit, the part where he admits that Albert improved over the last half of the season - something you're not willing to do.

And sorry, but I'm not terribly concerned that some clown named Walter, working out of his basement thinks that in his expert opinion, Albert won't be a franchise LT.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Additionally, Walter most likely didn't watch the majority of Chiefs games and didn't know that Albert was

A) Struggling with weight
B) Learning new technique.

Rinse, repeat for all of the national guys and most people constructing a mock.

Joe Douchebag sees high sack numbers and pencils in a LT, blindly moving Albert to the right side without considering if he has the makeup to allow this to be possible.