Mayock: Skins Could Take T. Williams - Page 2

Archie Bunker · 04-08-2010, 09:30 AM

http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/04/07/will...ector-at-no-4/

Williams could be McNabb’s protector at No. 4
Posted: April 7th, 2010 | Mike Mayock

I’ve been doing a lot of thinking about the effect the Donovan McNabb trade will have on the draft, and the more I think about it the more I believe the Redskins will be a factor in the NFC East. They have a veteran quarterback now and they’re going to draft a left tackle with pick No. 4. And keep in mind, they could have a choice between Oklahoma State’s Russell Okung and Oklahoma’s Trent Williams, the two top tackles in the entire draft.

If so, they could go with Williams, even though he is generally regarded as the No. 2 left tackle behind Okung. Williams fits Washington’s scheme better. He’s a little bit more athletic for the Redskins’ zone-blocking scheme. I think Williams makes more sense for the Redskins at pick No. 4.

The other McNabb effect is on the quarterback situation with Jimmy Clausen, whose pro day I will be at on Friday in South Bend. He had a shot at going to the Redskins before the McNabb trade, but not anymore. The medicals and how he is evaluated off the field will go a long way in determining if he is going to be a top-10 pick.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-08-2010, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

You can play the stat game all you want...

I was slightly happier with Cassel over the last part of the season opposed to the beginning of the year...and that probably has everything to do with Charles.

The funny thing is...I could careless about Cassel but the same people who present this case are the same people who were bashing Cassel from the get go and saying stats don't paint a picture when he had those 10 TD's and 5 INT's...

Can't have it both ways pseudo-super fan!

And I guess you can play the "ignoring the facts because they butcher your argument" game all you want.

Hootie · 04-08-2010, 01:53 PM

dude...

You don't think I knew the numbers before I said it was a myth?

Hey buddy...I'm a bigger fantasy football guy than anyone on this board (most likely)...I know ALL of the numbers.

Here's some numbers for you...

Larry had ZERO TD's over that first stretch...so if we scored...it had to be via the air.

Charles steps in and starts scoring TD's on the ground...and Cassel starts throwing meaningless picks against Buffalo...it's going to sway the numbers to extremes...

If anything...his play was exactly the same throughout...marginal pass protection at the very best...not comfortable with his receivers or the playcaller...

8 game pass from me...and I'm sure the coaching staff feels basically the same way.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-08-2010, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

You can play the stat game all you want...

I was slightly happier with Cassel over the last part of the season opposed to the beginning of the year...and that probably has everything to do with Charles.

The funny thing is...I could careless about Cassel but the same people who present this case are the same people who were bashing Cassel from the get go and saying stats don't paint a picture when he had those 10 TD's and 5 INT's...

Can't have it both ways pseudo-super fan!

Are you telling us that despite his piss-poor QB rating against Denver (14.1) and the next week against Buffalo (35.4), you felt he played better?

You drink too much during the games or you just aren't watching the same team as the rest of us on Sundays.

Hell, even at Denver, his rating was 68.

**Ming the Merciless** · 04-08-2010, 01:54 PM

To me the stats (1st half versus last half) are pretty meaningless....the only one that I even hit like a little speed bump is the TD to INT ratio which was clearly better in the 1st half...

But I am not throwing the towel in on Cassel yet. I am willing to give him about 8 games as well at least.

Hootie · 04-08-2010, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Are you telling us that despite his piss-poor QB rating against Denver (14.1) and the next week against Buffalo (35.4), you felt he played better?

You drink too much during the games or you just aren't watching the same team as the rest of us on Sundays.

I felt like he was amazingly sub-par with all things considered from week 2 through week 17...

The whole "he was worse when Charles was playing" thing just isn't true...he was the same QB every week of the season...Charles just made us a bit more competitive down the stretch...

I've been calling for Clausen before anyone...I was the one getting verbally abused (go figure) for saying we should trade our two 2nd's to move up to around 17 or 18 and take him before he was even targeted by you drafturbators...

That doesn't mean I'm going to throw Cassel under the bus quite yet...

Was he basically a bust last year? Yep.

Would many QB's succeed in KC last year? Nope.

So I assume he is going to be our starter NO MATTER WHAT next year and I'm willing to give him 8 games before I make up my mind...

Hootie · 04-08-2010, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Are you telling us that despite his piss-poor QB rating against Denver (14.1) and the next week against Buffalo (35.4), you felt he played better?

You drink too much during the games or you just aren't watching the same team as the rest of us on Sundays.

Hell, even at Denver, his rating was 68.

Yeah...and against Denver...he played a HELL OF A LOT better than he did against Philadelphia and his rating in that game was like 130...

are you starting to get it yet or do I need to go on?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-08-2010, 02:03 PM

Oh, and to respond to the claim that Cassel got no credit for going 10/5 in his first 7 games - why the **** would he?

Of his 10 TD's in those 7 games, only TWO of them came in the first half of games.

One of them came in the late 3rd quarter with the team down 20 points.

And the OTHER SEVEN came in the 4th quarter of blowouts, with the Chiefs losing by an average of FIFTEEN points at the time of the TD.

Let's give Cassel props for playing well late in games we were getting blown out in - mainly because HE played like shit for the first 3 quarters.

Awesome.

**Ming the Merciless** · 04-08-2010, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

That doesn't mean I'm going to throw Cassel under the bus quite yet...

Was he basically a bust last year? Yep.

Would many QB's succeed in KC last year? Nope.

So I assume he is going to be our starter NO MATTER WHAT next year and I'm willing to give him 8 games before I make up my mind...

I 100% agree with these statements, especially the part about 'would someone else have succeeded in KC last year. That is what I do not get...So many people seem to think that if we wouldve had a different QB the end result would have been vastly different.....I am thinking even if we had the very best QB (Brees? Manning?) The results would maybe be 1-2 more wins
and probably a severe inujury to the QB (either ego or body).

I would +rep you if I knew how or could

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-08-2010, 02:06 PM

Explain to me how Matt Cassel is throwing meaningless picks when we had a chance to win that entire game. We never trailed by more than 10 points.

Hootie · 04-08-2010, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Oh, and to respond to the claim that Cassel got no credit for going 10/5 in his first 7 games - why the **** would he?

Of his 10 TD's in those 7 games, only TWO of them came in the first half of games.

One of them came in the late 3rd quarter with the team down 20 points.

And the OTHER SEVEN came in the 4th quarter of blowouts, with the Chiefs losing by an average of FIFTEEN points at the time of the TD.

Let's give Cassel props for playing well late in games we were getting blown out in - mainly because HE played like shit for the first 3 quarters.

Awesome.

I didn't say he should get credit but you can't use those stats to say he was better than what he was when he had Charles since, like you're pointing out in this post, it isn't true, at all.

Which is why I said it was a myth.

So...

Basically...

This argument never had to happen if you didn't chime in?

Get it yet?

Hootie · 04-08-2010, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Explain to me how Matt Cassel is throwing meaningless picks when we had a chance to win that entire game. We never trailed by more than 10 points.

There was something off about that game that I don't remember...was it the weather?

Shit...

I don't recall...looking at the box score...you're right...why the **** were we throwing the ball 43 times in this case?

I mean...

Regardless...

The dude was mediocre, at best, from week 2 through week 17...

Saying he was noticeably worse with Charles is just not true. But if OTWP wants to keep contradicting himself playing the stat game I'll stay and watch.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-08-2010, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

Yeah...and against Denver...he played a HELL OF A LOT better than he did against Philadelphia and his rating in that game was like 130...

are you starting to get it yet or do I need to go on?

Was this before or after his 3rd quarter pick that allowed the Broncos to get back in the game (thank god for DJ and JC, though)?

Hootie · 04-08-2010, 02:10 PM

that was probably the game that led to Mark Bradley's release...

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-08-2010, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

There was something off about that game that I don't remember...was it the weather?

Shit...

I don't recall...looking at the box score...you're right...why the **** were we throwing the ball 43 times in this case?

I mean...

Regardless...

The dude was mediocre, at best, from week 2 through week 17...

Saying he was noticeably worse with Charles is just not true. But if OTWP wants to keep contradicting himself playing the stat game I'll stay and watch.

The weather was fine in that game. Cassel was horrible. Charles had 20 carries for over 140 yards, but Cassel could not stop throwing picks, including two killers at the end.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-08-2010, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

I didn't say he should get credit but you can't use those stats to say he was better than what he was when he had Charles since, like you're pointing out in this post, it isn't true, at all.

Which is why I said it was a myth.

So...

Basically...

This argument never had to happen if you didn't chime in?

Get it yet?

I get that you are delusional, and will post anything to attempt to get under the skin of a few of us.

You've yet to counter anything Dane, Hamas or I have said.

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Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	dude... You don't think I knew the numbers before I said it was a myth? Hey buddy...I'm a bigger fantasy football guy than anyone on this board (most likely)...I know ALL of the numbers. Here's some numbers for you... Larry had ZERO TD's over that first stretch...so if we scored...it had to be via the air. Charles steps in and starts scoring TD's on the ground...and Cassel starts throwing meaningless picks against Buffalo...it's going to sway the numbers to extremes... If anything...his play was exactly the same throughout...marginal pass protection at the very best...not comfortable with his receivers or the playcaller... 8 game pass from me...and I'm sure the coaching staff feels basically the same way.
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Ming the Merciless Emporer of Mongo Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Milky Way Casino cash: $-652444	To me the stats (1st half versus last half) are pretty meaningless....the only one that I even hit like a little speed bump is the TD to INT ratio which was clearly better in the 1st half... But I am not throwing the towel in on Cassel yet. I am willing to give him about 8 games as well at least.
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OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2051115	Oh, and to respond to the claim that Cassel got no credit for going 10/5 in his first 7 games - why the **** would he? Of his 10 TD's in those 7 games, only TWO of them came in the first half of games. One of them came in the late 3rd quarter with the team down 20 points. And the OTHER SEVEN came in the 4th quarter of blowouts, with the Chiefs losing by an average of FIFTEEN points at the time of the TD. Let's give Cassel props for playing well late in games we were getting blown out in - mainly because HE played like shit for the first 3 quarters. Awesome.
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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	Explain to me how Matt Cassel is throwing meaningless picks when we had a chance to win that entire game. We never trailed by more than 10 points. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	that was probably the game that led to Mark Bradley's release...
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