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**Tribal Warfare** · 06-13-2010, 01:28 AM

Chiefs notebook: Moeaki looks good at tight end, while O’Connell struggles
By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star

The Chiefs selected a tight end in each of the last two drafts — and those players appear headed in different directions.

This year’s rookie, third-round pick Tony Moeaki, is having a solid offseason. He has shown good hands, is able to get downfield well and had another big day in the afternoon practice at Saturday’s minicamp.

The Chiefs thought enough last year of Jake O’Connell that they traded back into the seventh round to get him. He was even on the field last year for the last few plays when they were futilely trying to rally during an early-season loss to Oakland.

Judging by his play in offseason practices and again on Saturday, O’Connell may have a difficult time making the roster. He had dropped several passes, including two in Saturday afternoon’s practice.

The problem was so bad early last week that after one O’Connell drop, offensive coordinator Charlie Weis yelled, “That’s getting old, Jake.”

Croyle has hot hand

QB Brodie Croyle was still withheld from throwing during the full-squad workout because of his sore throwing hand.

But during a morning seven-on-seven passing drill when the Chiefs use no linemen on either side of the ball, Croyle was sharp.

On a set of plays from inside the 20, Croyle made three straight crisp throws that resulted in touchdowns, one going to Dwayne Bowe, another to Tim Castille and the last to rookie Jeremy Horne.

Mixing up the lineups

The Chiefs will occasionally shake up the starting lineup at many positions on both sides of the ball, even at positions where they is no true competition for the job. It hasn’t been unusual to see backups working with the first unit, particularly on the offensive and defensive lines.

“Sometimes when you just stay the same and nobody changes, you’re going against (the same player) every single snap,” coach Todd Haley said. “They get to know each other and they get to know each other’s little tricks and moves and steps.

“Just by moving guys in and out, now you create different matchups across the board. That’s really all we’re trying to do.”

**mlyonsd** · 06-13-2010, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

At this point, I have no faith that he is anything more than equal to Carl, though he still has time to prove me wrong.

Fair enough. I was just checking to see if you had gone insane. Carry on.

**DeezNutz** · 06-13-2010, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I wouldn't agree with that, except for their first draft choice.

But that's all that's needed.

One selected DT. And the other took TJ and saddled us with Cassel.

milkman · 06-13-2010, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

But that's all that's needed.

One selected DT. And the other took TJ and saddled us with Cassel.

I think we have to see how things play out with Haley over time, and how this draft pans out before we can say definitively.

**mlyonsd** · 06-13-2010, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

But that's all that's needed.

One selected DT. And the other took TJ and saddled us with Cassel.

JMO but you're using hindsight proof for Carl and yet to be determined logic for Pioli.

**The Bad Guy** · 06-13-2010, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

But that's all that's needed.

One selected DT. And the other took TJ and saddled us with Cassel.

What DT was available in last year's draft?

If we are going to compare the 2, there has to be at least an equivalent.

**DeezNutz** · 06-13-2010, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by mlyonsd

JMO but you're using hindsight proof for Carl and yet to be determined logic for Pioli.

I think we can say, with much confidence, that TJ, at his position, will never be a DT-level player.

But we'll see.

The Pioli era is too new. Berry could turn into a freaking stud, and this will work to change views pretty quickly.

**DeezNutz** · 06-13-2010, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

What DT was available in last year's draft?

If we are going to compare the 2, there has to be at least an equivalent.

I concede that point, which is why I factored Cassel into the decision.

I think we had the potential to have an out****ingstanding '09 draft, but we didn't. And it's water under the bridge now.

My point is that, 17 months in, Carl's work was superior to Pioli's. Doesn't mean that the latter might not be MUCH better when everything is said and done.

Mr. Laz · 06-13-2010, 10:13 AM

Croyle and Moeacki ... both could be good if they stayed healthy

Mr. Arrowhead · 06-13-2010, 10:39 AM

Moeaki running with 1s today

Bob Fescoe bobfescoe

#chiefs mini camp over early today. Highlight of the day is Moeaki running w the 1's and making a nice catch in corner of end zone.

Mr. Laz · 06-13-2010, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Arrowhead

Moeaki running with 1s today

Bob Fescoe bobfescoe

#chiefs mini camp over early today. Highlight of the day is Moeaki running w the 1's and making a nice catch in corner of end zone.

*crossing fingers*

this could be great for us if Moeacki can stay healthy ... he has lots of potential as a blocker and receiver. HUGE help for the offense.

**DaneMcCloud** · 06-13-2010, 01:50 PM

This report isn't surprising. O'Connell struggled when active in 2009. We're barely six months removed from last season and not enough time has passed for him to have "turned it around". I'd bet he'll spend the 2010 season bouncing between active roster and the practice squad where hopefully, he'll be able to "figure it out".

I really like the Moeaki pick and I'm not surprised that he's doing well. His injuries weren't serious in college, just untimely. He may end up as the steal of the 2010 third round.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 06-13-2010, 04:47 PM

Is it April yet?!

ChiefaRoo · 06-13-2010, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

This report isn't surprising. O'Connell struggled when active in 2009. We're barely six months removed from last season and not enough time has passed for him to have "turned it around". I'd bet he'll spend the 2010 season bouncing between active roster and the practice squad where hopefully, he'll be able to "figure it out".

I really like the Moeaki pick and I'm not surprised that he's doing well. His injuries weren't serious in college, just untimely. He may end up as the steal of the 2010 third round.

Agreed, I liked Moeaki in College. He just needs experience and to see the field.

**BossChief** · 06-13-2010, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

What DT was available in last year's draft?

If we are going to compare the 2, there has to be at least an equivalent.

MY preference was Orakpo, while he may never be as good of a pass rusher as DT was, he will be much better against the run. He would have been a much better pick than TJ at 3.

JMO

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KEEP ****ING DOUBTING TONY MOEAKI!!!

**DeezNutz** · 06-13-2010, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

KEEP ****ING DOUBTING TONY MOEAKI!!!

If you continue screaming, you might hurt Brokaki's ears, thus sidelining him until November.

06-13-2010, 01:28 AM
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