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KCJohnny · 05:13 AM

Bear with me, I just passed my 10th year on Chiefs Planet...

I'm for bringing Moss in but I have no delusions that it will repair the calamity at QB. You could give Cassell Jerry Rice and Steve Largent in their primes and he would still put up similar numbers.

Case in point: Brady threw for 50 TDs with the 2007 Pats. With the same exact offense, Cassel threw for 21. He's being paid Peyton Manning type money by Pioli even though in his first year starting he couldn't even get to Tyler Thigpen-level achievement (Thiggy 22 TDs in 11 starts, Cassel 16 in 14). Thigpen was paid the league minimum.

Moss could stretch the field in theory, but what will that really do, if anything? Can Cassel read a defense? Can he call an audible? Can he make his progression reads? What other QB in the NFL throws for 107 yds in regulation time at home against an 0-6 team with the NFL's best rushing attack and best pass protection and is considered 'successful' let alone worth $64 million?

Not sure Moss fixes what ails this offense. But certainly can't hurt the league's #31 passing attack.

KCJ

burt · 11-02-2010, 07:24 AM

I am afraid to post while English Nazi's are watching!

**Fire Me Boy!** · 11-02-2010, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by burt

I am afraid to post while English Nazi's are watching!

I generally am not a grammar Nazi, but seriously...... that wasn't even the right word!

Post away. I've gotta get to work anyway.

BigVE · 11-02-2010, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny

I tend to think of Chambers as a pretty good WR if he has a QB who can get him the ball. I saw Chambers open several times vs Buffalo while Cassel was throwing at the RB's feet or into double coverage. You can't blame Chambers for the targets he never got unless he can't separate from defenders, which was not the case vs. the hapless Bills' D.

I mean think about it. At home against an 0-6 team when you have the NFL's best OL for pass protection and RBs getting 274 yards. And at the end of regulation, KC has 107 passing yards???????

Those stats also expose Haley for what he is - the beneficiary of the gaudy numbers put up by Warner/Fitzgerald/Boldin/Hightower/Breaston and decidedly not the offensive genuis Pioli must have thought him to be. How can you have the NFL's best ground game and your pass O is second to last? Genius?

Well, a couple of things. First off, Haley is NOT the offensive coordinator in KC...Weis is. It has been pointed out many times that Haley has handed over the offense to Weis and is concentrating on overall coaching of the games. 2nd, if you were the OC in AZ a few years ago and had Warner, a former MVP and potential HOF'er throwing the THOSE guys OF COURSE your going the sling the ball all over the place...they hardly ran the ball and didnt really need to. NO comparison what so ever. Totally different situation in KC now...weak QB play, average to below average WR's and standout RB's and O'line....we will run the ball and struggle to pass and at this point it's not Haley's COACHING that is to blame for that.

burt · 11-02-2010, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy!

I generally am not a grammar Nazi, but seriously...... that wasn't even the right word!

Post away. I've gotta get to work anyway.

actually, I thought your correction was very funny.

Hammock Parties · 11-02-2010, 07:35 AM

KCJOhnny is a moron.

He probably thinks Herm could ride this team's talent to the Super Bowl with his genious Bucball coaching.

That's why he rags on Haley.

burt · 11-02-2010, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by BigVE

Well, ...weak QB play, not Haley's COACHING that is to blame for that.

FYP

burt · 11-02-2010, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse

KCJOhnny is a moron.

He probably thinks Herm could ride this team's talent to the Super Bowl with his genious Bucball coaching.

That's why he rags on Haley.

I disagree. It's just fun to rag on Haley. and our QB, Grbac light.....

Hog's Gone Fishin · 11-02-2010, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by burt

actually, I thought your correction was very funny.

Me two!

burt · 11-02-2010, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Hog Farmer

Me two!

I think that you and I are very easily entertained.......

**TimeForWasp** · 11-02-2010, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny

I tend to think of Chambers as a pretty good WR if he has a QB who can get him the ball. I saw Chambers open several times vs Buffalo while Cassel was throwing at the RB's feet or into double coverage. You can't blame Chambers for the targets he never got unless he can't separate from defenders, which was not the case vs. the hapless Bills' D.

I mean think about it. At home against an 0-6 team when you have the NFL's best OL for pass protection and RBs getting 274 yards. And at the end of regulation, KC has 107 passing yards???????

Those stats also expose Haley for what he is - the beneficiary of the gaudy numbers put up by Warner/Fitzgerald/Boldin/Hightower/Breaston and decidedly not the offensive genuis Pioli must have thought him to be. How can you have the NFL's best ground game and your pass O is second to last? Genius?

you are not playing a teams record, you are playing the team, then, you get the record

milkman · 11-02-2010, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny

I mean think about it. At home against an 0-6 team when you have the NFL's best OL for pass protection and RBs getting 274 yards. And at the end of regulation, KC has 107 passing yards???????

Those stats also expose Haley for what he is - the beneficiary of the gaudy numbers put up by Warner/Fitzgerald/Boldin/Hightower/Breaston and decidedly not the offensive genuis Pioli must have thought him to be. How can you have the NFL's best ground game and your pass O is second to last? Genius?

The NFL's best OL for protection?

This OL, while improved is certainly not the best.

Credit for the low number of sacks goes to the coaching that you want to deride.

Weis has accomplished the near impossible in getting Cassel to get the ball out much quicker than he ever has in the past.

Now, why don't you tell us how much you muss ****her?

Sully · 11-02-2010, 08:20 AM

Kris Wilson should be our QB/HC!!!

**BigMeatballDave** · 11-02-2010, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny

I tend to think of Chambers as a pretty good WR if he has a QB who can get him the ball. I saw Chambers open several times vs Buffalo while Cassel was throwing at the RB's feet or into double coverage. You can't blame Chambers for the targets he never got unless he can't separate from defenders, which was not the case vs. the hapless Bills' D.

Thats odd. Were you at the game? Someone here was at the game and said Chambers was not getting open.

keg in kc · 11-02-2010, 09:23 AM

I'm almost tempted to take him off ignore just for a laugh.

**loochy** · 11-02-2010, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by burt

I am afraid to post while English Nazi's are watching!

Well, while we are at it, consider this:

The correct usage here would be Nazis. Apostrophes are used to indicate possession or a contraction. Apostrophes should not be used for plurals.

11-02-2010, 04:54 AM
KCJohnny Blind, deceived homer Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Maryland, USA Casino cash: $10004900	KCJ on Moss to KC Bear with me, I just passed my 10th year on Chiefs Planet... I'm for bringing Moss in but I have no delusions that it will repair the calamity at QB. You could give Cassell Jerry Rice and Steve Largent in their primes and he would still put up similar numbers. Case in point: Brady threw for 50 TDs with the 2007 Pats. With the same exact offense, Cassel threw for 21. He's being paid Peyton Manning type money by Pioli even though in his first year starting he couldn't even get to Tyler Thigpen-level achievement (Thiggy 22 TDs in 11 starts, Cassel 16 in 14). Thigpen was paid the league minimum. Moss could stretch the field in theory, but what will that really do, if anything? Can Cassel read a defense? Can he call an audible? Can he make his progression reads? What other QB in the NFL throws for 107 yds in regulation time at home against an 0-6 team with the NFL's best rushing attack and best pass protection and is considered 'successful' let alone worth $64 million? Not sure Moss fixes what ails this offense. But certainly can't hurt the league's #31 passing attack. KCJ Last edited by KCJohnny; 11-02-2010 at 05:13 AM.. Reason: added Cassel pic
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11-02-2010, 07:35 AM	#20
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11-02-2010, 08:20 AM	#27
Sully It Goes On Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Lees Summit Casino cash: $10026331	Kris Wilson should be our QB/HC!!! __________________ "And I don't wish that girl any bad luck," he said, "but I hope she gets hit with a car." - Tommy Lasorda
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11-02-2010, 09:23 AM	#29
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	I'm almost tempted to take him off ignore just for a laugh.
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