Cassel VS Orton

[RustShack]

Orton in his two years in our offense-

62.1% 3,802 yards 21 TD 12 INT 86.8 Rating 7.0 YPA
58.8% 3,653 yards 20 TD 9 INT 87.5 Rating 7.3 YPA

Cassel those same last two years in the same system with better cast-

55.0% 2,924 yards 16 TD 16 INT 69.9 Rating 5.93 YPA
58.2% 3,116 yards 27 TD 7 INT 93.0 Rating 6.92 YPA

[Shogun]

Originally Posted by Gif Horse

DOESN'T MATTER!!!

HARRY POTTER DESTROYED ALL OF JOSH MCDANIELS HORCRUXES!

Yeah but he could have ended it sooner if he killed Mcdaniels snake in Harry Potter and the chamber of dumbasses. Missed Horcrux's FTL!

[Chiefs Pantalones]

I don't care what the stats say, Orton is better than Cassel just from the eye test.

[RustShack]

Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Same offense? Better surrounding cast?

#1) Not the same offense. Comparable his numbers in 2008 in New England when he actually had the same offense.

#2) In 2009, the Chiefs had far inferior talent. JC wasn't starting most of the year, they had LJ. The offensive line sucked. And, the Broncos had Marshall and Royal at WR. Not even close. Oh, and Haley was offensive coordinator.

McDaniels made Cassel and Orton both look good. But, McDaniels isn't coming with Orton, so we get the Orton of the other three years... the one that has a passer rating around 76.

McDaniels, Haley, Weis, Muir... all run the Earnhardt-Perkins system. Each add their own twists, but its the same offense. The difference is how they run it, plays called, and aggressiveness.

Or is there something I'm missing, did we throw out the offense this year and I missed it? Or did McDaniels throw it out after leaving NE?

[Bane]

**** Matt Casshole an anyone that supports him.The day he signed with KC they threw 3+ goddamn years down the drain.I don't like Orton much better but anyone with basic common sense can see Orton is better at QB than Casshole.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by RustShack

McDaniels, Haley, Weis, Muir... all run the Earnhardt-Perkins system. Each add their own twists, but its the same offense. The difference is how they run it, plays called, and aggressiveness.

Or is there something I'm missing, did we throw out the offense this year and I missed it? Or did McDaniels throw it out after leaving NE?

Bill Walsh and Paul Hackett also ran the same system.

See the dilema?

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by Bane

**** Matt Casshole an anyone that supports him.The day he signed with KC they threw 3+ goddamn years down the drain.I don't like Orton much better but anyone with basic common sense can see Orton is better at QB than Casshole.

I understand your point about Cassel.

However, Orton was 1-4 this season. Tebow is 4-1 with the same team. Actually, they traded away their best WR before Tebow took over.

You really think Orton is better than Cassel?

[Shogun]

Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

I understand your point about Cassel.

However, Orton was 1-4 this season. Tebow is 4-1 with the same team. Actually, they traded away their best WR before Tebow took over.

You really think Orton is better than Cassel?

They TOTALLY changed what they were doing. Thats a bad comparison

[FAX]

Originally Posted by notorious

If we are a legitimate threat to beat the defense deep, the offensive line will magically improve. No more stacking the box or bringing blitzes.

I don't think Orton can do it, but he has a lot more capability than Cassel.

This is so true. Hell, it opens everything up. And, we didn't even threaten consistent completions in the 10 to 20 yard range, really.

One of the many 500 pound gorillas in the room is the fact that Miami showed the entire league how to beat a Cassel-led Chiefs offense to a pulp. Enemy defenses used to crowd the LOS, but from this point forward, it was going to be blitz early and often because we offer no deep threat whatsoever and our quarterback panics at the snap.

And, on top of observing our run game continue to suffer (including our fabulous draws to The Mighty McDervish), seeing our short passing game remain a toothless hag, and helplessly watching as we complete screens to enemy players, we were going to let this receiving corp go completely to waste because we cannot hit them in stride or elsewise.

But no more!!! We are free!!! Ring the bell! Hoist the colors! Raise the glass! Flag the limo!! And pinch the waitress on the tittahs!! For we have found a way to fling it deep!!!

FAX

[jlscorpio]

didn't neckbeard throw for like 4K 2 years ago?

[jaa1025]

Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

I understand your point about Cassel.

However, Orton was 1-4 this season. Tebow is 4-1 with the same team. Actually, they traded away their best WR before Tebow took over.

You really think Orton is better than Cassel?

Denver's resurgence in defense coupled with the quality of opponent is the reason Denver is 4-1 with Tebow. He's done nothing but show he's a garbage QB. Cassel, with that defense and oline would have went 4-1 as well.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by jaa1025

Denver's resurgence in defense coupled with the quality of opponent is the reason Denver is 4-1 with Tebow. He's done nothing but show he's a garbage QB. Cassel, with that defense and oline would have went 4-1 as well.

That is kindof my point.

[BigMeatballDave]

'Sensible' should be removed from someone's username...

[Psyko Tek]

Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

I understand your point about Cassel.

However, Orton was 1-4 this season. Tebow is 4-1 with the same team. Actually, they traded away their best WR before Tebow took over.

You really think Orton is better than Cassel?

no I don't think he is anyworse

would love to let the rookie play
but it ain't happening

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by Psyko Tek

no I don't think he is anyworse

would love to let the rookie play
but it ain't happening

Orton IS better than Cassel. Palko isn't any worse.

[MagicHef]

Originally Posted by jaa1025

Denver's resurgence in defense coupled with the quality of opponent is the reason Denver is 4-1 with Tebow. He's done nothing but show he's a garbage QB. Cassel, with that defense and oline would have went 4-1 as well.

It's hilarious how many people think that switching from a QB that leads the league in turnovers to one that has had 2 in 5 games has nothing to do with the defense suddenly playing better. Also, a better running game (which Tebow has nothing to do with) certainly doesn't help the defense either.