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Deberg_1990 · 04-18-2012, 06:20 AM

Pretty incredible. Hall of Famer?

http://cnnsi.com/baseball/mlb/gamefl...sct=mlb_t11_a0

Baseball's old man is still fending off Father Time.

Jamie Moyer showed there remains a place for a vintage lefty in a young man's game as the 49-year-old became the oldest pitcher to ever win a major league contest.

He threw seven strong innings and Dexter Fowler hit a two-run homer to help the Colorado Rockies beat the San Diego Padres 5-3 on Tuesday night.

"It's a great night for the Rockies, as far as winning a baseball game. But it's an historic night for one tremendous human being," Rockies manager Jim Tracy said. "It couldn't happen to a better guy. A more professional person I don't know I've been around."

Moyer (1-2) was sharp all evening as he picked up his 268th career win, tying him with Hall of Famer Jim Palmer for 34th on the career list.

Relying on a consistent cutter and mixing in a 78-mph fastball, the crafty pitcher gave up just six hits and two runs - both unearned - as he kept the Padres hitters at bay and off balance.

"Today, for me, just like it's been my previous two starts - going out and trying to give my best effort," Moyer said.

That's been a winning recipe for Moyer over a career that's stretched nearly a quarter century and included 689 games.

Anthony Bass , a pitcher half Moyer's age, went five innings and gave up three runs. Bass (0-2) also had a career-high seven strikeouts.

Moyer earned that elusive win for the ages in his third start of the season. His age is 49 years, 150 days old.

That's important to note since before Moyer's effort the oldest pitcher to win a game in the majors was Jack Quinn of the Brooklyn Dodgers on Sept. 13, 1932, when he was 49 years, 70 days old.

Not that Moyer knows much about Quinn.

"I wish I was a baseball historian," Moyer said. "I'm a little embarrassed to admit that. As players, we should know more about the game, the history of the game. You need to respect the game and the people that came before you."

He's definitely a part of baseball's history now.

However, he doesn't think this mark will stand the test of time.

"The way athletes are going in today's game, I think it could be broken," he said.

This game got a little dicey at the end.

Rafael Betancourt survived a rocky ninth as he surrendered a solo homer to Nick Hundley and put two more runners on before striking out Yonder Alonso to earn his third save in as many chances.

About the only blemish to the night were two more errors by smooth-fielding shortstop Troy Tulowitzki , giving him six already this season. The Gold Glove winner had six all of last year.

His fielding error in the seventh proved quite costly and nearly spoiled Moyer's place in the record books. With two on and one out, Tulowitzki had a routine double play ball go right through his legs, leading to a run. Jason Bartlett brought in another with a sacrifice fly to right to cut the lead to 3-2.

Moyer ended the threat by getting pinch hitter Jeremy Hermida to ground out to second on a 76-mph cutter.

The Rockies added two insurance runs in the eighth as Michael Cuddyer doubled in a run off former Rockies closer Huston Street and Wilin Rosario added a sacrifice fly.

Away from the mound, Moyer hardly looks like a kid anymore. He has gray streaks in his hair and frequently dons reading glasses that sit perched on the tip of his nose. This betrays his age too: He's on the verge of receiving his AARP card.

But once he steps on the mound that youthful exuberance returns.

He's transformed into a kid again, sprinting out to the mound after each inning. He looked more like a spry rookie than a veteran nearing retirement.

Moyer enticed the Padres to hit into three double plays, despite warnings before the game by Mark Kotsay - the one player who's consistently hit Moyer - to remain patient. Then again, it's difficult to lay off a pitch that looks so juicy.

The aged wonder used his wealth of experience to his advantage against the young Padres, six of whom weren't even born when Moyer made his major league debut in 1986. That included Bass, who has fond memories of Coors Field after winning his debut in the hitter friendly stadium last June.

Kotsay's first plate appearance of the season was a single in the opening inning. Kotsay was activated off the disabled list on Monday after missing the first 10 games with a strained right calf muscle.

That his first hit should be against Moyer hardly comes as a surprise since the 36-year-old Kotsay has a .583 lifetime average against Moyer. They even exchanged friendly grins after each of Kotsay's two singles.

"He wears me out. He knows it. I know it," Moyer said. "We joke in the offseason."

Kotsay also has a lot of respect for Moyer.

"It says something about how much he loves to compete and his willingness to work, and at 49, to go out and throw the ball and have success," said Kotsay, who faced the veteran for the first time since June 13, 2006, when Kotsay was with the Oakland A's and Moyer a member of the Seattle Mariners .

Before the game, Kotsay was giving pointers to his impressionable teammates on how to hit Moyer's methodical pitches.

"Be patiently aggressive," Andy Parrino recounted. "Make him come to us a little bit more. Oh, and make him stay in the strike zone."

Moyer doesn't have a blazing fastball, but he does have this - pinpoint precision.

Padres manager Bud Black certainly appreciates the cleverness of Moyer, marveling from the dugout at the vintage pitcher who went to spring training without a guaranteed roster spot and performed his way onto the team. He missed all of 2011 as he recovered from a surgically repaired ligament in his elbow.

"It's a great story," Black said. "It's wonderful that he's continued to get the results needed to stay in the major leagues. This is a performance-driven game and the last 15 years of his career have been outstanding."

Stewie · 04-18-2012, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

Moyer has pitched to 8% of hitters who have played in MLB HISTORY.

Not true. Not even close.

suzzer99 · 04-18-2012, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

I'm not old as long as there's a major-league athlete who's older than me. It's my rule.

Does golf count?

**doomy3** · 04-18-2012, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Stewie

Not true. Not even close.

Care to back that up? Buster Olney says he has.

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post...moyer-pitch-50

Stewie · 04-18-2012, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

Care to back that up? Buster Olney says he has.

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post...moyer-pitch-50

That link doesn't have any info about where Olney came up with his 8% BS.

I'd like to know the criteria of "hitter" and "MLB history". I bet there are caveats galore.

Sanka · 04-18-2012, 01:10 PM

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/...&type=Pitching

every batter Moyer has ever faced

**doomy3** · 04-18-2012, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Stewie

That link doesn't have any info about where Olney came up with his 8% BS.

I'd like to know the criteria of "hitter" and "MLB history". I bet there are caveats galore.

Elias is where he came up with his "BS.". Elias is one of the very best soured there is wen it comes to baseball stats.

But I'm sure you're right, and they aren't close to being accurate.

Stewie · 04-18-2012, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Sanka

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/...&type=Pitching

every batter Moyer has ever faced

OK. So, he's faced 1419 batters that have ever had a plate appearance.

Show me the list of all players with a plate appearance in MLB history. That would be impressive and it would be WAY more than the number Olney is using. Of course, that number is unknown and huge.

Stewie · 04-18-2012, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

Elias is where he came up with his "BS.". Elias is one of the very best soured there is wen it comes to baseball stats.

But I'm sure you're right, and they aren't close to being accurate.

Cool! Show me the Elias stats on every single player that has had a plate appearance in MLB history.

qabbaan · 04-18-2012, 02:04 PM

He's played in both leagues and in the interleague era. It's possible he could have thrown to a big number of qualified batters. 8% seems like a stretch, but who knows. At least 1 pitch to those with, say, 500 or more MLB ABs... 4% seems believable.

**doomy3** · 04-18-2012, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stewie

Cool! Show me the Elias stats on every single player that has had a plate appearance in MLB history.

I'm not paying $20 to get access to the Elias Bureau. That's what guys like Buster Olney are for.

I'm betting it is right, and is far from being BS as you claim.

It is an amazing stat.

Demonpenz · 04-18-2012, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Stewie

That link doesn't have any info about where Olney came up with his 8% BS.

I'd like to know the criteria of "hitter" and "MLB history". I bet there are caveats galore.

This. Buster is a dude that LIVES For getting retweeted.

qabbaan · 04-18-2012, 02:09 PM

There is no way, if it's minimum 1 plate appearance. The rest depends on how he wants to frame the criteria.

Demonpenz · 04-18-2012, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doomy3

I'm not paying $20 to get access to the Elias Bureau. That's what guys like Buster Olney are for.

I'm betting it is right, and is far from being BS as you claim.

It is an amazing stat.

google Elias and scam. They will throw B.S. out there to have you look it up for 20 bucks. Fantasy geeks will fork it over.

tk13 · 04-18-2012, 02:20 PM

The guy has pitched since 1986. I'm sure there are some crazy stats out there. Plus he's the first guy to play 25 years and play so many interleague games too. He has over 17000 plate appearances against him.
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Stewie · 04-18-2012, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

The guy has pitched since 1986. I'm sure there are some crazy stats out there. Plus he's the first guy to play 25 years and play so many interleague games too. He has over 17000 plate appearances against him.
Posted via Mobile Device

How many years did Nolan Ryan pitch?

04-18-2012, 06:20 AM
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $144454	Jamie Moyer (49) becomes oldest pitcher to win game in majors Pretty incredible. Hall of Famer? http://cnnsi.com/baseball/mlb/gamefl...sct=mlb_t11_a0 Baseball's old man is still fending off Father Time. Jamie Moyer showed there remains a place for a vintage lefty in a young man's game as the 49-year-old became the oldest pitcher to ever win a major league contest. He threw seven strong innings and Dexter Fowler hit a two-run homer to help the Colorado Rockies beat the San Diego Padres 5-3 on Tuesday night. "It's a great night for the Rockies, as far as winning a baseball game. But it's an historic night for one tremendous human being," Rockies manager Jim Tracy said. "It couldn't happen to a better guy. A more professional person I don't know I've been around." Moyer (1-2) was sharp all evening as he picked up his 268th career win, tying him with Hall of Famer Jim Palmer for 34th on the career list. Relying on a consistent cutter and mixing in a 78-mph fastball, the crafty pitcher gave up just six hits and two runs - both unearned - as he kept the Padres hitters at bay and off balance. "Today, for me, just like it's been my previous two starts - going out and trying to give my best effort," Moyer said. That's been a winning recipe for Moyer over a career that's stretched nearly a quarter century and included 689 games. Anthony Bass , a pitcher half Moyer's age, went five innings and gave up three runs. Bass (0-2) also had a career-high seven strikeouts. Moyer earned that elusive win for the ages in his third start of the season. His age is 49 years, 150 days old. That's important to note since before Moyer's effort the oldest pitcher to win a game in the majors was Jack Quinn of the Brooklyn Dodgers on Sept. 13, 1932, when he was 49 years, 70 days old. Not that Moyer knows much about Quinn. "I wish I was a baseball historian," Moyer said. "I'm a little embarrassed to admit that. As players, we should know more about the game, the history of the game. You need to respect the game and the people that came before you." He's definitely a part of baseball's history now. However, he doesn't think this mark will stand the test of time. "The way athletes are going in today's game, I think it could be broken," he said. This game got a little dicey at the end. Rafael Betancourt survived a rocky ninth as he surrendered a solo homer to Nick Hundley and put two more runners on before striking out Yonder Alonso to earn his third save in as many chances. About the only blemish to the night were two more errors by smooth-fielding shortstop Troy Tulowitzki , giving him six already this season. The Gold Glove winner had six all of last year. His fielding error in the seventh proved quite costly and nearly spoiled Moyer's place in the record books. With two on and one out, Tulowitzki had a routine double play ball go right through his legs, leading to a run. Jason Bartlett brought in another with a sacrifice fly to right to cut the lead to 3-2. Moyer ended the threat by getting pinch hitter Jeremy Hermida to ground out to second on a 76-mph cutter. The Rockies added two insurance runs in the eighth as Michael Cuddyer doubled in a run off former Rockies closer Huston Street and Wilin Rosario added a sacrifice fly. Away from the mound, Moyer hardly looks like a kid anymore. He has gray streaks in his hair and frequently dons reading glasses that sit perched on the tip of his nose. This betrays his age too: He's on the verge of receiving his AARP card. But once he steps on the mound that youthful exuberance returns. He's transformed into a kid again, sprinting out to the mound after each inning. He looked more like a spry rookie than a veteran nearing retirement. Moyer enticed the Padres to hit into three double plays, despite warnings before the game by Mark Kotsay - the one player who's consistently hit Moyer - to remain patient. Then again, it's difficult to lay off a pitch that looks so juicy. The aged wonder used his wealth of experience to his advantage against the young Padres, six of whom weren't even born when Moyer made his major league debut in 1986. That included Bass, who has fond memories of Coors Field after winning his debut in the hitter friendly stadium last June. Kotsay's first plate appearance of the season was a single in the opening inning. Kotsay was activated off the disabled list on Monday after missing the first 10 games with a strained right calf muscle. That his first hit should be against Moyer hardly comes as a surprise since the 36-year-old Kotsay has a .583 lifetime average against Moyer. They even exchanged friendly grins after each of Kotsay's two singles. "He wears me out. He knows it. I know it," Moyer said. "We joke in the offseason." Kotsay also has a lot of respect for Moyer. "It says something about how much he loves to compete and his willingness to work, and at 49, to go out and throw the ball and have success," said Kotsay, who faced the veteran for the first time since June 13, 2006, when Kotsay was with the Oakland A's and Moyer a member of the Seattle Mariners . Before the game, Kotsay was giving pointers to his impressionable teammates on how to hit Moyer's methodical pitches. "Be patiently aggressive," Andy Parrino recounted. "Make him come to us a little bit more. Oh, and make him stay in the strike zone." Moyer doesn't have a blazing fastball, but he does have this - pinpoint precision. Padres manager Bud Black certainly appreciates the cleverness of Moyer, marveling from the dugout at the vintage pitcher who went to spring training without a guaranteed roster spot and performed his way onto the team. He missed all of 2011 as he recovered from a surgically repaired ligament in his elbow. "It's a great story," Black said. "It's wonderful that he's continued to get the results needed to stay in the major leagues. This is a performance-driven game and the last 15 years of his career have been outstanding."
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qabbaan Veteran Join Date: Jan 2012 Casino cash: $10004900	He's played in both leagues and in the interleague era. It's possible he could have thrown to a big number of qualified batters. 8% seems like a stretch, but who knows. At least 1 pitch to those with, say, 500 or more MLB ABs... 4% seems believable.
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qabbaan Veteran Join Date: Jan 2012 Casino cash: $10004900	There is no way, if it's minimum 1 plate appearance. The rest depends on how he wants to frame the criteria.
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tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1857500	The guy has pitched since 1986. I'm sure there are some crazy stats out there. Plus he's the first guy to play 25 years and play so many interleague games too. He has over 17000 plate appearances against him. Posted via Mobile Device
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