Chiefs 29th in Scoring Defense - Page 2

jspchief · 10-14-2012, 08:51 PM

6 first round picks
3 second round picks

I'm surprised people aren't talking more about what an absolute abortion this defense is.

29th in yards per play

7th worst yards per rush
2nd most 20+ yard runs

We all knew the QB situation going in to this season. Defense was supposed to be a strength. It's what Crennel is supposed to be good at.

We can't pressure. We can't cover. We can't stop the run.

This entire defense is sucking at a Cassel level. Not a single player has been consistently good.

jspchief · 10-14-2012, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

It's called "bad scheme".

Every time this defense attacks, they play well.

The only time this season they attcked from the opening gun was Baltimore.

They shot gaps and run blitzed, they sent Houston and Hali, and another blitzer fater Flacco, and they stunted an offense that had been having success.

Every other game we've seen the same old shit bend but don't break bullshit that Crennel still believes.

I've seen enough of that bullshit 2-3-6 scheme to want to hire a hit man to take out Romeo.

No question Crennel's schemes are a total mess. His defensive gameplans have been horrible.

But what about individual effort? Our "star" players are rarely winning their individual battles. Dbacks routinely beat. Passrushers invisible for marathon stretches.

Who is the defensive MVP? Houston based on about 4 qtrs of play? No one even stands out beyond a rare play.

milkman · 10-14-2012, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

No question Crennel's schemes are a total mess. His defensive gameplans have been horrible.

But what about individual effort? Our "star" players are rarely winning their individual battles. Dbacks routinely beat. Passrushers invisible for marathon stretches.

Who is the defensive MVP? Houston based on about 4 qtrs of play? No one even stands out beyond a rare play.

No leadership and poor preparation lead to uninspired play.

htismaqe · 10-14-2012, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

No question Crennel's schemes are a total mess. His defensive gameplans have been horrible.

But what about individual effort? Our "star" players are rarely winning their individual battles. Dbacks routinely beat. Passrushers invisible for marathon stretches.

Who is the defensive MVP? Houston based on about 4 qtrs of play? No one even stands out beyond a rare play.

They don't care. Why should they when the head coach gives out consolation prizes and enjoys moral victories?

Barret · 10-14-2012, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Braincase

I'm sorry, I didn't read your post. I was busy plotting my ritual suicide.

Braincase!!!!

Can you fly a plane? Can you fly that same plane with a banner attached to it? Just asking since someone in the game thread had a hot idea for those that are going to die anyway. :P

Hammock Parties · 10-14-2012, 09:13 PM

Unpossible. I was informed here last week, and last year, and during the offseason, that we have a top 10 defense.

mcaj22 · 10-14-2012, 09:14 PM

lol no leadership

you are paying ****ing Tamba Hali 70 million

Tyson Jackson will get like 14 million NEXT SEASON ALONE

Derrick Johnson and Brandon Flowers are payed handsomely as well

NO LEADERSHIP from these guys? These guys have huge contracts and certainly arent playing like it and should have a much bigger impact on the team and the culture

I am talking Derrick Thomas, Neil Smith, James Hasty type impact

I dont care how bad the coaching is. Tampa Bay is ****ing terrible and Ronde Barber is a clear leader and elevates rookies like Mark Barron to take a huge shit on the Chiefs today, for example. Antrelle Rolle made the 49ers his bitch today. Leadership

i dont care how bad the scheme is. Some of these guys on the defense got paid and rewarded for the individual talent and should play like it. and they have clearly mailed it in. None of these guys have "it"

We dont have a Justin Smith or Patrick Willis or an Ed Reed or Jared Allen or a guy that sets himself apart. These guys just phone it in every week go through the motions collect their paycheck

FlaChief58 · 10-14-2012, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

Unpossible. I was informed here last week, and last year, and during the offseason, that we have a top 10 defense.

They do if you don't count the copious amounts of points they're giving up

Oh Snap · 10-14-2012, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

What was the Bucs offense rated coming into this game? IIRC, they were around 26th or so, and they rolled up on us like the '99 Rams.

This entire organization is a dumpster fire freefalling from the peak of K-2.

I believe overall they were 29th or 30th if I remember correctly, they were 26th in passing and around the same with rushing. They showed the stats during the game in the first half, so I'm working from that memory. The point is that they were not nearly as good as we made them look. The career day Greg Robinson defense rears its ugly head yet again!

The crazy thing is we basically dominated Baltimore a week earlier. They had less than 300 yards against us, and unlike Tampa; were actually a very good offense. I'm not sure exactly what happened. Its not like Tampa dominated the time of possession. I think the team sees the writing on the wall and has pretty much given up all hope.

Today during the game, Gannon talked about the DL and the high draft picks we have on it. It was an understatement for him to say that this defensive line has underperformed their pedigree...

milkman · 10-14-2012, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

lol no leadership

you are paying ****ing Tamba Hali 70 million

Tyson Jackson will get like 14 million NEXT SEASON ALONE

Derrick Johnson and Brandon Flowers are payed handsomely as well

NO LEADERSHIP from these guys? These guys have huge contracts and certainly arent playing like it and should have a much bigger impact on the team and the culture

I am talking Derrick Thomas, Neil Smith, James Hasty type impact

I dont care how bad the coaching is. Tampa Bay is ****ing terrible and Ronde Barber is a clear leader and elevates rookies like Mark Barron to take a huge shit on the Chiefs today, for example. Antrelle Rolle made the 49ers his bitch today. Leadership

i dont care how bad the scheme is. Some of these guys on the defense got paid and rewarded for the individual talent and should play like it. and they have clearly mailed it in. None of these guys have "it"

We dont have a Justin Smith or Patrick Willis or an Ed Reed or Jared Allen or a guy that sets himself apart. These guys just phone it in every week go through the motions collect their paycheck

I don't give a rat's ass who gets paid what.

Leadership is an instinctive, inherent trait.

It comes from guys with charisma and fire that permeates throughout the squad.

Hali, Flowers and DJ are not natural leaders.

And Tyson Jackson is just a guy.

This team needs that guy that puts a fire in other's belly, and that is just another failure of Pioli.

He's gotten so caught up in character, he's forgotten about other qualities.

mcaj22 · 10-14-2012, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I don't give a rat's ass who gets paid what.

Leadership is an instinctive, inherent trait.

It comes from guys with charisma and fire that permeates throughout the squad.

Hali, Flowers and DJ are not natural leaders.

And Tyson Jackson is just a guy.

This team needs that guy that puts a fire in other's belly, and that is just another failure of Pioli.

He's gotten so caught up in character, he's forgotten about other qualities.

yeah other qualities. Like playmakers and athletic talent. Imagine that. This team lacks it thanks to Pioli drafting character midgets and development raw o-line and d-line prospects

milkman · 10-14-2012, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

yeah other qualities. Like playmakers and athletic talent. Imagine that. This team lacks it thanks to Pioli drafting character midgets and development raw o-line and d-line prospects

The difference between the '88 Chiefs defense and the '89 Chiefs defense.

DT.

milkman · 10-14-2012, 09:29 PM

And you threw Patrick Willis in the conversation.

Why was that San Francisco defense so mush better last year than 2010?

Patrick Willis wasn't a leader in '10, but developed leadership in the offseason between the end of '10 and the start of '11.

Coaching, scheme, and preparation makes a difference.

KChiefer · 10-14-2012, 09:37 PM

We have 19 turnovers. Even the greatest of defenses can't succeed when handed that.

jspchief · 10-14-2012, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefer

We have 19 turnovers. Even the greatest of defenses can't succeed when handed that.

The defense starts failing before the turnovers start happening. Certainly turnovers greatly affect the end result, but turnovers don't excuse what this D has been doing the last 6 weeks.

milkman · 10-14-2012, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefer

We have 19 turnovers. Even the greatest of defenses can't succeed when handed that.

I believe that number is 21 now.

10-14-2012, 08:51 PM
jspchief BAMF Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Your Face Casino cash: $9998710	29th in Scoring Defense 6 first round picks 3 second round picks I'm surprised people aren't talking more about what an absolute abortion this defense is. 29th in yards per play 7th worst yards per rush 2nd most 20+ yard runs We all knew the QB situation going in to this season. Defense was supposed to be a strength. It's what Crennel is supposed to be good at. We can't pressure. We can't cover. We can't stop the run. This entire defense is sucking at a Cassel level. Not a single player has been consistently good.
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mcaj22 MVP Join Date: Feb 2010 Casino cash: $10014454	lol no leadership you are paying **ing Tamba Hali 70 million Tyson Jackson will get like 14 million NEXT SEASON ALONE Derrick Johnson and Brandon Flowers are payed handsomely as well NO LEADERSHIP from these guys? These guys have huge contracts and certainly arent playing like it and should have a much bigger impact on the team and the culture I am talking Derrick Thomas, Neil Smith, James Hasty type impact I dont care how bad the coaching is. Tampa Bay is **ing terrible and Ronde Barber is a clear leader and elevates rookies like Mark Barron to take a huge shit on the Chiefs today, for example. Antrelle Rolle made the 49ers his bitch today. Leadership i dont care how bad the scheme is. Some of these guys on the defense got paid and rewarded for the individual talent and should play like it. and they have clearly mailed it in. None of these guys have "it" We dont have a Justin Smith or Patrick Willis or an Ed Reed or Jared Allen or a guy that sets himself apart. These guys just phone it in every week go through the motions collect their paycheck
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10-14-2012, 09:29 PM	#27
milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	And you threw Patrick Willis in the conversation. Why was that San Francisco defense so mush better last year than 2010? Patrick Willis wasn't a leader in '10, but developed leadership in the offseason between the end of '10 and the start of '11. Coaching, scheme, and preparation makes a difference. __________________
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KChiefer Fantastic Planeteer Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Champaign, IL Casino cash: $10006721	We have 19 turnovers. Even the greatest of defenses can't succeed when handed that.
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