Chiefs Reid Draft Record is Nothing to Get Excited About - Page 2

Shox · 01-04-2013, 10:20 PM

I recognize the Eagles have picked in the bottom third almost all the time, but if you look at this draft history there are really not very many standout names and few pro bowl players.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co.../phi/draft.htm

The first rounders are especially troubling. While several have been productive NFL players only one would really qualify as a stud. He loves to draft DT 4 in 12 years add in a couple of DE and 50% of the time the defensive front gets the first round pick.

2012 Fletcher Cox DT (TBD)
2011 Danny Watkins OL (TBD)
2010 Brandon Graham DE (TBD)
2009 Jeremy Maclin WR (???Maybe/Maybe not)
2008 no pick
2007 no pick
2006 Brodrick Bunkley DT (Hit)
2005 Mike Patterson DT (Hit)
2004 Shawn Andrews G (Hit)
2003 Jerome McDougle DE (Bust)
2002 Litto Sheppard DB (Hit)
2001 Freddie Mitchell WR (Bust)
2000 Cory Simon DT (Hit)
1999 McNabb (by far the cream of the crop)

Now I have to give Reid credit he seems to be able to get some big names in FA. I would say he overpays and many of the big name FA do not perform up to the level they should.

There is more to like than dislike with the Reid hire, but I remain very doubtful he will ever bring a SB championship to the Chiefs.

O.city · 01-04-2013, 10:32 PM

IMO, if you can hit solidly on 30% of picks, your outstanding.

htismaqe · 01-04-2013, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

That can happen when you never pick in the top 10.

Yeah the OP is pretty funny...

"Drafts aren't that impressive...hit, hit, hit, hit, bust, hit, hit, hit, hit"

htismaqe · 01-04-2013, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

IMO, if you can hit solidly on 30% of picks, your outstanding.

According to the OP he hit on 80% of his 1st round picks.

**RealSNR** · 01-04-2013, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Brando

McNabb was on the NFL Network earlier stating that we should expect Reid to pick a big ugly at number 1. Expect him to pick up a veteran qb to groom a rook we pick in round 2 or 3.

Reid probably should have picked a big ugly instead of McNabb. Thankfully for Reid he ignored the criticisms and took the QB. Paid off for him.

He's not stupid. He'll pick the QB

O.city · 01-04-2013, 10:34 PM

Funny how when you hit on drafting your QB, drafting becomes alot easier.

**BigRedChief** · 01-04-2013, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Exoter175

****ing awesome.

Since Montana was under center he has 15 playoff wins and we have zip.

Shox · 01-04-2013, 10:36 PM

Did you even read...or look at the history. 1 stud from your first round picks in 14 years is not very good. Yes his first round picks have produced some NFL starting caliber players more than not, but they are AVERAGE, AVERAGE at best.

If you look at all the picks it even gets worse.

keg in kc · 01-04-2013, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Reid probably should have picked a big ugly instead of McNabb. Thankfully for Reid he ignored the criticisms and took the QB. Paid off for him.

He's not stupid. He'll pick the QB

Which one would he pick, anyway. It's not like Joe Thomas or Ndomukong Suh are anywhere in this draft. The linemen are no more top heavy than the QBs are.

WildTurkey · 01-04-2013, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

According to the OP he hit on 80% of his 1st round picks.

That's not even taking some of his second rounders into account like Jackson and McCoy

O.city · 01-04-2013, 10:38 PM

The thing you are missing, is that the position they were drafting, isn't a spot where you are gonna get top notch studs for the most part. There will be from time to time, but outside say the top 10 give or take, you're looking for solid players with ability to get better and become something.

**notorious** · 01-04-2013, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Brando

McNabb was on the NFL Network earlier stating that we should expect Reid to pick a big ugly at number 1. Expect him to pick up a veteran qb to groom a rook we pick in round 2 or 3.

Does he realize where he was picked?

**The Bad Guy** · 01-04-2013, 10:40 PM

So the draft is only one round now?

14 years and 1 stud?

That's ****ing lunacy.

Deberg_1990 · 01-04-2013, 10:40 PM

How has he done in other rounds? Off the top of my head, DeSean Jackson was 2nd rounder and Westbrook was 3rd rounder?

Ive stated this alot: Not every 1st rounder is going to be a stud or a HoFer. But if you get a solid contributor for several years, its still a good pick.

**DeezNutz** · 01-04-2013, 10:41 PM

"By far the cream of the crop."

. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!/Eagles fans.

Shox · 01-04-2013, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

The thing you are missing, is that the position they were drafting, isn't a spot where you are gonna get top notch studs for the most part. There will be from time to time, but outside say the top 10 give or take, you're looking for solid players with ability to get better and become something.

Ummm I acknowledged this fact. You should still have better quality than this. Compare it to the Patriots 1st rounders. Patriots >>>>>>> Eagles

01-04-2013, 10:20 PM
Shox Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Casino cash: $10005765	Reid Draft Record is Nothing to Get Excited About I recognize the Eagles have picked in the bottom third almost all the time, but if you look at this draft history there are really not very many standout names and few pro bowl players. http://www.pro-football-reference.co.../phi/draft.htm The first rounders are especially troubling. While several have been productive NFL players only one would really qualify as a stud. He loves to draft DT 4 in 12 years add in a couple of DE and 50% of the time the defensive front gets the first round pick. 2012 Fletcher Cox DT (TBD) 2011 Danny Watkins OL (TBD) 2010 Brandon Graham DE (TBD) 2009 Jeremy Maclin WR (???Maybe/Maybe not) 2008 no pick 2007 no pick 2006 Brodrick Bunkley DT (Hit) 2005 Mike Patterson DT (Hit) 2004 Shawn Andrews G (Hit) 2003 Jerome McDougle DE (Bust) 2002 Litto Sheppard DB (Hit) 2001 Freddie Mitchell WR (Bust) 2000 Cory Simon DT (Hit) 1999 McNabb (by far the cream of the crop) Now I have to give Reid credit he seems to be able to get some big names in FA. I would say he overpays and many of the big name FA do not perform up to the level they should. There is more to like than dislike with the Reid hire, but I remain very doubtful he will ever bring a SB championship to the Chiefs.
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01-04-2013, 10:32 PM	#16
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-725936	IMO, if you can hit solidly on 30% of picks, your outstanding.
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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-725936	Funny how when you hit on drafting your QB, drafting becomes alot easier.
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01-04-2013, 10:36 PM	#22
Shox Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Casino cash: $10005765	Did you even read...or look at the history. 1 stud from your first round picks in 14 years is not very good. Yes his first round picks have produced some NFL starting caliber players more than not, but they are AVERAGE, AVERAGE at best. If you look at all the picks it even gets worse.
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01-04-2013, 10:38 PM	#25
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-725936	The thing you are missing, is that the position they were drafting, isn't a spot where you are gonna get top notch studs for the most part. There will be from time to time, but outside say the top 10 give or take, you're looking for solid players with ability to get better and become something.
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The Bad Guy Scott Pioli Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Copacobana Casino cash: $9283645	So the draft is only one round now? 14 years and 1 stud? That's ****ing lunacy. __________________
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Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $104454	How has he done in other rounds? Off the top of my head, DeSean Jackson was 2nd rounder and Westbrook was 3rd rounder? Ive stated this alot: Not every 1st rounder is going to be a stud or a HoFer. But if you get a solid contributor for several years, its still a good pick. __________________ Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning: Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down. One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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