Chiefs Alex Smith end of season stats (what if?) - Page 2

**pr_capone** · 09-03-2013, 11:58 PM

3,500 yards - 25 TD - 10 INT - 80 QBR - 56% Completion - and all 16 games started w/no injury

Is that performance worth the two 2nd round picks KC paid?

Also... would those numbers merit a contract extension and he then gets to groom his eventual replacement?

**Mav** · 09-04-2013, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Does anyone actually have any faith that we won't extend this guy?

I do. Absolutely. If Alex doesn't perform the way that Andy wants, and Bray shows steps forward next season, I could definitely see Bray replacing Alex Smith next season during the year, and Alex being gone after the season.

Now, if Alex Smith comes out and proves to be a top 10 qb, then yeah, he will have earned it.

If I was forced to bet, I would bet HARD on the former, and laugh at anyone taking the latter.

**cdcox** · 09-04-2013, 12:29 AM

Andy Reid was the first and only choice of Clark Hunt. Therefore, Clark thinks Reid is a great coach, and we should expect great things from from the Chiefs. Great things = multiple Super Bowl titles.

We gave up two 2nd round picks on the basis of "This is the QB that Andy Reid always wanted". So a great coach who is expected to win multiple Super Bowls got the QB of his dreams. We should still be on track for multiple Super Bowls titles.

Does the performance described in the OP put us on a trajectory to win multiple Super Bowls during the Alex Smith era, given the rest of the talent on the team?

I don't think so. That would make this a very bad trade, or a very bad selection of a head coach. Everyone got what they wanted, so we should expect greatness, not mediocrity.

keg in kc · 09-04-2013, 12:39 AM

(Did you mean 66% rather than 56% - 56 would be awful...)

In any case, I probably wouldn't quantify the value of the trade based on just one season. Taken by itself, a 3500 yard/25 TD season would be 'okay'. Better than we're used to, and most likely enough for a fat extension, but basically just middle-of-the-pack in today's NFL.

Thinking longer-term, if that ends up being his average over 4 or 5 years at the helm of what is almost certainly intended be a pass-heavy offense, then I'd be disappointed. I think he needs to be significantly better than that over the long haul, in the 4000 yard/30 TD range at minimum. Less than that, and it probably means he hasn't produced to the level they want, and we've been forced to go ball control to hide his limitations. I hope it doesn't go that route.

But the value of the trade, that's going to be really difficult to ascertain for a few years, unless he either blows the doors off and has a huge year or flames out biblically and gets shitcanned.

AdumbGuy · 09-04-2013, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

Andy Reid was the first and only choice of Clark Hunt. Therefore, Clark thinks Reid is a great coach, and we should expect great things from from the Chiefs. Great things = multiple Super Bowl titles.

We gave up two 2nd round picks on the basis of "This is the QB that Andy Reid always wanted". So a great coach who is expected to win multiple Super Bowls got the QB of his dreams. We should still be on track for multiple Super Bowls titles.

Does the performance described in the OP put us on a trajectory to win multiple Super Bowls during the Alex Smith era, given the rest of the talent on the team?

I don't think so. That would make this a very bad trade, or a very bad selection of a head coach. Everyone got what they wanted, so we should expect greatness, not mediocrity.

Well put.

Until I see anything different, I'm going to miserably expect this to be the 2nd iteration of casshole's stay here. Hell, they even handed Smith the job without any possibility of competition in the exact same way.

**007** · 09-04-2013, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by AdumbGuy

Well put.

Until I see anything different, I'm going to miserably expect this to be the 2nd iteration of casshole's stay here. Hell, they even handed Smith the job without any possibility of competition in the exact same way.

But, they didn't immediately extend his contract to $65 million so there is that.

AdumbGuy · 09-04-2013, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Guru

But, they didn't immediately extend his contract to $65 million so there is that.

No, we just gave up an extra potential 2nd round pick, which is of far more value to me since I don't pay the bills.

The worst part is that nobody's expecting us to win a championship this year. So realistically, any joy I might get from any success we have this year will be mitigated by the thought that we're basically just playing for the right to give the 9ers our 2nd round pick next year instead of our 3rd.

mcaj22 · 09-04-2013, 04:59 AM

8 year rebuild plan

2009-2016

Chiefs football

oldman · 09-04-2013, 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by bricks

Honestly, it depends.

Is there meaning behind those stats?

i.e., How many of those TDs game winners? Did they make a difference between winning and losing? Did a good percentage of those passing yards come from when the team was trailing and provide the difference between us winning and losing? I'd look for those kinda things before deciding whether or not he was worth the second round pick.

I'd agree. Did he put the team in position to win? Is the TD/INT ratio or number of yards truly indicitive of his performance? Just my opinion, but the number of wins count in my book.
I never understood the old QB rating system (WTF is 158.3 perfect?), so I'm not going to comment on the new one.
I'm not quite ready to jump on the Bray bandwagon just yet, but if he pans out as well as he played in game 4 of the preseason, why worry about where he was or wasn't drafted. Sure enough he was playing against 2s and 3s, but he was playing with 2s and 3s and a lot that aren't employed today.

**BigMeatballDave** · 09-04-2013, 05:25 AM

I seriously hope his completion % is much higher.

Skyy God · 09-04-2013, 05:25 AM

My preference would be 3500+ yards, over 60% completions, 2:1 TD/int ratio, and a 10-6 record or better. Anything less and we were slightly hosed on the deal.

Red Gorilla · 09-04-2013, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by pr_capone

3,500 yards - 25 TD - 10 INT - 80 QBR - 56% Completion - and all 16 games started w/no injury

Is that performance worth the two 2nd round picks KC paid?

Also... would those numbers merit a contract extension and he then gets to groom his eventual replacement?

I would like to see two seasons like that but, if we make the playoffs then yes, it's worth it to me. Second round picks don't stick as much as people think.

Who cares what the stats are if we win? We have been missing leadership at that position for a long time. If he gets a couple of game winning drives, he was worth it.

CoMoChief · 09-04-2013, 05:49 AM

56% is ****in awful...i hope hes better than that

BlackHelicopters · 09-04-2013, 06:06 AM

Red Gorilla · 09-04-2013, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

8 year rebuild plan

2009-2016

Chiefs football

I get the anger but, why not win now? Why do you care about the stats if we win? Don't you want to see the six pro bowlers and Flowers actually do something for once? I assume you are like me and have invested a lot of time watching these guys. Think about how they feel. They want to win. Like it or not Smith was the best QB available and they are going to play hard for him. This isn't Cassel part deux. I guess he'll have to prove it and winning cures everything.

Every team hopes to continue building and stay in the hunt. If you don't think they are doing that you are crazy. But, the window is closing and I think they believe we have some damn good talent.

Rasputin · 09-04-2013, 06:30 AM

Winning in the playoffs maybe would help?

Regardless what happens this year I want us to draft a quarterback in next years draft to be our guy for the future. They can compete and have Bray compete as well.

I'm sick of retreads so he best win in the playoffs and make Chiefs look good doing it.

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cdcox www.nfl-forecast.com Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $-578231	Andy Reid was the first and only choice of Clark Hunt. Therefore, Clark thinks Reid is a great coach, and we should expect great things from from the Chiefs. Great things = multiple Super Bowl titles. We gave up two 2nd round picks on the basis of "This is the QB that Andy Reid always wanted". So a great coach who is expected to win multiple Super Bowls got the QB of his dreams. We should still be on track for multiple Super Bowls titles. Does the performance described in the OP put us on a trajectory to win multiple Super Bowls during the Alex Smith era, given the rest of the talent on the team? I don't think so. That would make this a very bad trade, or a very bad selection of a head coach. Everyone got what they wanted, so we should expect greatness, not mediocrity.
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keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	(Did you mean 66% rather than 56% - 56 would be awful...) In any case, I probably wouldn't quantify the value of the trade based on just one season. Taken by itself, a 3500 yard/25 TD season would be 'okay'. Better than we're used to, and most likely enough for a fat extension, but basically just middle-of-the-pack in today's NFL. Thinking longer-term, if that ends up being his average over 4 or 5 years at the helm of what is almost certainly intended be a pass-heavy offense, then I'd be disappointed. I think he needs to be significantly better than that over the long haul, in the 4000 yard/30 TD range at minimum. Less than that, and it probably means he hasn't produced to the level they want, and we've been forced to go ball control to hide his limitations. I hope it doesn't go that route. But the value of the trade, that's going to be really difficult to ascertain for a few years, unless he either blows the doors off and has a huge year or flames out biblically and gets shitcanned.
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