Chiefs Comparing this team to the 2003 squad. - Page 2

Direckshun · 10-05-2013, 02:14 PM

It's a pretty good piece, and inspires an even better idea.

How does this team compare to the Trent Green 9-0 squad?

http://arrowheadaddict.com/2013/10/0...b_source=pubv1

The Kansas City Chiefs Then and Now: 2003 vs. 2013
By Jason Seibel
Oct 5th, 2013 at 8:00 am

The last time the Kansas City Chiefs were 4-0 was October 5, 2003. The team was made up of players who went by different names, but looking at that roster there were more similarities than one might think.

The team starts with a quarterback, and the guy leading the Chiefs that year was #10, Trent Green. Green is considered by many to be the best quarterback to head the Chiefs since Joe Montana wore #19 in Arrowhead. There are a lot of Chiefs fans in the Kingdom who would say that the Chiefs haven’t fielded a decent quarterback since Green called the signals in the BBQ City.

But, as history has a tendancy to do, the repeat is on. How much does this 2013 team have in common with the last, best team the Chiefs fielded?

Trent Green’s jersey still lives alive and well on Sundays at Arrowhead. But, how were his numbers? Currently Alex Smith is on pace to pass for 3828 yards, 28 TDs and 8 INTs. In the 2003 season, Green threw for 4039 yard, 24 TDs and 12 INTs. The similarities in the two QBs is uncanny. However, I’ve never heard Trent Green saddled with the moniker “game manager.” I didn’t hear the complaining from the Kingdom before or since about not “growing our own QB” when Green was brought to KC.

But, let’s not stop at the QB. Who was Trent throwing the ball to? The Chiefs leading receiver in 2003 (not named Tony Gonzalez) was Eddie Kennison. He caught 56 passes for 853 yards and five touchdowns. Right now, Dwayne Bowe is on target for 52 catches, 592 yards and 8 TDs. Those numbers are pretty close to the same.

Moving through the rest of the team, we see that 2003 Chiefs had a prolific punt/kick returner in the “X-Factor” Dante Hall. After Dexter McCluster’s huge, 89 yard punt return last Sunday against the New York Giants, he threw up the “X” as a show of respect. I got chills. Hall made the Pro Bowl and broke records in 2003. I’m not saying DMC is quite there yet, but the similarities are there.

Probably the biggest comparison that can be made between the two teams, is the guy playing running back. Ten years ago, the man lining up in the position was the future hall of famer, Priest Holmes. Holmes had a breakout year in 2003 rushing for 1420 yards on 320 attempts and scoring a ridiculous 27 TDs, which at the time was the single season record. But, that’s not all he did. He also led all receivers in catches with 74 out of the backfield and added 690 yards to his “from scrimmage” total bringing his total offensive production to 2110. Oddly, Priest had no TD receptions in 2003.

When looking at the Chiefs current running back, Jamaal Charles, I see a lot of Holmes in him. The two are quite different runners, but the way they are utilized in the offense is similar. JC is on target for 280 carries and 1156 yards on the ground as well as 92 receptions and 852 yards through the air. As far as scoring goes, Charles is on target for 16 total TDs, eight on the ground and eight on receptions. The numbers are eerily similar to those posted by Holmes during his epic 2003 season.

The final similarity between the current Chiefs and their counterparts ten years in the past is the coach. Both were successful coaches for the Philadelphia Eagles, and both led their teams to the Superbowl only to lose. As yet another tie between these two teams, current head coach Andy Reid called former coach Dick Vermeil about the Kansas City Chiefs job shortly after it was offered to him. The two coaches had known each other for years and it makes the similarities all too close.

For those of you who remember, the Chiefs went 9-0 that season before being knocked off their pedestal in Week 11 against the Cincinnati Bengals. The Chiefs dropped three of their last seven games before facing the Indianapolis Colts in the Divisional Round of the NFL Playoffs on January 11, 2004.

In a game dubbed “The No-Punt Bowl” both teams scored or turned the ball over on every single possession. The Peyton Manning led Colts scored last and bested the Chiefs by a final score of 38-31. This was a tough loss to take, but happened because of one reason. Unlike the 2013 version of the team, in 2003 the defense wasn’t that great.

Dick Vermeil prided himself on his high flying offensive attacks. He had to because he had to put up enough points to cover for a suspect defense. That unit was exposed by the “cyborg like” Manning. That won’t happen to the team this year. While the offense is only getting better, the defense is already firing on all cylinders. Reid may not be known for his defense, but he’s brought in somebody who can get the job done.

So what do you think, Addicts? With all the similarities, does this Chiefs team go 9-0 before losing? Is it possible for this team to go 13-3? Most say the team will lose against Denver, but are unsure who else can beat the Chiefs. The end of the season is a long way off, but right now, 4-0 for the first time in a decade feels pretty damn good.

**DaFace** · 10-05-2013, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghost of Maslowski

awesome offense with no defense, or ok offense with awesome defense?

i really loved the fireworks on the scoreboard in '03 but i gotta go with the '13 Chiefs. it's been a long time since I felt so optimistic about KC, but they will still have to get rid of that horrid playoff curse to seal the deal. i think everyone knew the '03 Chiefs were going to end up doomed by Robinson's (spit) defense.

I'm also not sold on Smith>Green yet, Trent was pretty damn great in '03 if i remember right. That OT game in GB especially, coming from 17 down in the 4th was one of the best games i've ever see the Chiefs play. tougher choice than i thought at first glance.

Arrowhead thrives on defense. I'll go with elite D and average offense, but keep looking for an elite QB until you find one.

Pants · 10-05-2013, 03:20 PM

I miss Jerome Woods, Greg Wesley and Eric Warfield.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 10-05-2013, 03:21 PM

I miss Dale Carter and his love of firearms... ;(

**BigMeatballDave** · 10-05-2013, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Pants

I miss Jerome Woods, Greg Wesley and Eric Warfield.

**Rain Man** · 10-05-2013, 04:08 PM

I think if you put our current linebackers on the field with no DBs or linemen, they would still be better than the 2003 defense.

BlackHelicopters · 10-05-2013, 04:13 PM

Ban the 2003 season.

Chiefaholic · 10-05-2013, 04:23 PM

My biggest concern for this team is if the O-Line can manage to gell before the postseason. With a better run blocking scheme, and a little more time in the pocket for Smith, the offense will put more points on the board. Not to mention giving the defense more time off the field to stay fresh for the 4th quarter and put the game away. This team is damn close to being a perennial playoff contender with minimal additions to the team.

keg in kc · 10-05-2013, 04:31 PM

This team is more talented than the 2003 team, maybe much moreso. We have legimate pro bowlers on offense (our weak unit...) and young players that should improve with experience. The '03 defense was filled with guys who might not even be backups for other franchises, much less starting elsewhere. I would say this defense is probably more talented than that offense as well.

**RealSNR** · 10-05-2013, 04:45 PM

The 2003 Chiefs were never dumbasses and never gave up a single blocked kick or punt as far as I know.

The 2013 Chiefs have allowed three blocks in four games.

Also, **** any comparison to Dante Hall. Dante Hall is an all-time great kick returner, who will likely only be outshadowed in NFL history by Devin Hester.

McCluster is NOT Dante Hall on offense, and he's not anything close to Dante Hall on returns.

ThaVirus · 10-05-2013, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Pants

I miss Jerome Woods, Greg Wesley and Eric Warfield.

Didn't Greg Wesley go to the Pro Bowl after the 03 season? I feel like he did but Jerome Woods was actually more deserving.

milkman · 10-05-2013, 04:51 PM

I disagree with the notion that Trent Green was not a game manager.

That offense's, and Green's success, was fueled by the O-Line.

With just an average O-Line, we would not be having this discussion.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 10-05-2013, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I disagree with the notion that Trent Green was not a game manager.

That offense's, and Green's success, was fueled by the O-Line.

With just an average O-Line, we would not be having this discussion.

Oh my sweet Jesus this.

durtyrute · 10-05-2013, 05:20 PM

I remember being PISSED after ochocinco was talking all that shit before the game and then they ended up beating us.

philfree · 10-05-2013, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

The 2003 Chiefs were never dumbasses and never gave up a single blocked kick or punt as far as I know.

The 2013 Chiefs have allowed three blocks in four games.
Also, **** any comparison to Dante Hall. Dante Hall is an all-time great kick returner, who will likely only be outshadowed in NFL history by Devin Hester.

McCluster is NOT Dante Hall on offense, and he's not anything close to Dante Hall on returns.

What's crazy about that is that the chances of winning a game when you have a blocked punt and maybe a FG too go way down. In the case of the 2013 Chiefs it's like those blocked kicks never happened. We overcame them with little difficulty.

**BigMeatballDave** · 10-05-2013, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

The 2003 Chiefs were never dumbasses.

That D was pretty ****ing reeruned.

10-05-2013, 02:14 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4183447	Comparing this team to the 2003 squad. It's a pretty good piece, and inspires an even better idea. How does this team compare to the Trent Green 9-0 squad? http://arrowheadaddict.com/2013/10/0...b_source=pubv1 The Kansas City Chiefs Then and Now: 2003 vs. 2013 By Jason Seibel Oct 5th, 2013 at 8:00 am The last time the Kansas City Chiefs were 4-0 was October 5, 2003. The team was made up of players who went by different names, but looking at that roster there were more similarities than one might think. The team starts with a quarterback, and the guy leading the Chiefs that year was #10, Trent Green. Green is considered by many to be the best quarterback to head the Chiefs since Joe Montana wore #19 in Arrowhead. There are a lot of Chiefs fans in the Kingdom who would say that the Chiefs haven’t fielded a decent quarterback since Green called the signals in the BBQ City. But, as history has a tendancy to do, the repeat is on. How much does this 2013 team have in common with the last, best team the Chiefs fielded? Trent Green’s jersey still lives alive and well on Sundays at Arrowhead. But, how were his numbers? Currently Alex Smith is on pace to pass for 3828 yards, 28 TDs and 8 INTs. In the 2003 season, Green threw for 4039 yard, 24 TDs and 12 INTs. The similarities in the two QBs is uncanny. However, I’ve never heard Trent Green saddled with the moniker “game manager.” I didn’t hear the complaining from the Kingdom before or since about not “growing our own QB” when Green was brought to KC. But, let’s not stop at the QB. Who was Trent throwing the ball to? The Chiefs leading receiver in 2003 (not named Tony Gonzalez) was Eddie Kennison. He caught 56 passes for 853 yards and five touchdowns. Right now, Dwayne Bowe is on target for 52 catches, 592 yards and 8 TDs. Those numbers are pretty close to the same. Moving through the rest of the team, we see that 2003 Chiefs had a prolific punt/kick returner in the “X-Factor” Dante Hall. After Dexter McCluster’s huge, 89 yard punt return last Sunday against the New York Giants, he threw up the “X” as a show of respect. I got chills. Hall made the Pro Bowl and broke records in 2003. I’m not saying DMC is quite there yet, but the similarities are there. Probably the biggest comparison that can be made between the two teams, is the guy playing running back. Ten years ago, the man lining up in the position was the future hall of famer, Priest Holmes. Holmes had a breakout year in 2003 rushing for 1420 yards on 320 attempts and scoring a ridiculous 27 TDs, which at the time was the single season record. But, that’s not all he did. He also led all receivers in catches with 74 out of the backfield and added 690 yards to his “from scrimmage” total bringing his total offensive production to 2110. Oddly, Priest had no TD receptions in 2003. When looking at the Chiefs current running back, Jamaal Charles, I see a lot of Holmes in him. The two are quite different runners, but the way they are utilized in the offense is similar. JC is on target for 280 carries and 1156 yards on the ground as well as 92 receptions and 852 yards through the air. As far as scoring goes, Charles is on target for 16 total TDs, eight on the ground and eight on receptions. The numbers are eerily similar to those posted by Holmes during his epic 2003 season. The final similarity between the current Chiefs and their counterparts ten years in the past is the coach. Both were successful coaches for the Philadelphia Eagles, and both led their teams to the Superbowl only to lose. As yet another tie between these two teams, current head coach Andy Reid called former coach Dick Vermeil about the Kansas City Chiefs job shortly after it was offered to him. The two coaches had known each other for years and it makes the similarities all too close. For those of you who remember, the Chiefs went 9-0 that season before being knocked off their pedestal in Week 11 against the Cincinnati Bengals. The Chiefs dropped three of their last seven games before facing the Indianapolis Colts in the Divisional Round of the NFL Playoffs on January 11, 2004. In a game dubbed “The No-Punt Bowl” both teams scored or turned the ball over on every single possession. The Peyton Manning led Colts scored last and bested the Chiefs by a final score of 38-31. This was a tough loss to take, but happened because of one reason. Unlike the 2013 version of the team, in 2003 the defense wasn’t that great. Dick Vermeil prided himself on his high flying offensive attacks. He had to because he had to put up enough points to cover for a suspect defense. That unit was exposed by the “cyborg like” Manning. That won’t happen to the team this year. While the offense is only getting better, the defense is already firing on all cylinders. Reid may not be known for his defense, but he’s brought in somebody who can get the job done. So what do you think, Addicts? With all the similarities, does this Chiefs team go 9-0 before losing? Is it possible for this team to go 13-3? Most say the team will lose against Denver, but are unsure who else can beat the Chiefs. The end of the season is a long way off, but right now, 4-0 for the first time in a decade feels pretty damn good.
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