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Old 08-18-2016, 07:52 AM  
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Barnwell on Derek Carr
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Carr's offensive line allowed him to do things that were relative luxuries for Bortles and Bridgewater, like breathe in the pocket without fearing for his life. Carr was pressured on only 21.6 percent of his dropbacks, the fifth-lowest rate among starting quarterbacks. A quarterback who gets the ball out quickly can distort that number (see: Tom Brady), but other metrics suggest that wasn't the case with Carr. He took 2.44 seconds before his typical pass, 15th in the league. Carr's average throw traveled 7.67 yards in the air, which was slightly below league average and one full yard deeper than the typical Bridgewater pass (6.66)...


It's another Oakland credo to go after enormous receivers. Carr's average pass went to a receiver who was 74.3 inches tall (a little over 6 feet 2), giving him the fourth-largest receiving corps in football. (Jacksonville's grouping was third.) Sadly, they weren't always his friends. Oakland's pass-catchers, which will return virtually unchanged in 2016, dropped 5.1 percent of Carr's throws last year. That was the fifth-worst rate in the league. It's hard to see these receivers combining to drop as many passes in 2016, particularly Cooper, who should be healthier after struggling through plantar fasciitis a year ago. While analyses suggesting Cooper dropped 18 passes seem off the mark, ESPN Stats & Information has Cooper down for 10 drops on 126 targets, the second-highest total in the league behind Tampa's Mike Evans.

The one perhaps concerning quirk surrounding Carr's 2015 season is what happened as it went along: Namely, Carr got worse. A lot worse. His QBR during Weeks 1-9, covering Oakland's first eight games, was 11th in the league at 66.6. During Oakland's final eight games, Carr's QBR dropped to just 35.1, leaving him 28th out of 29 passers. Only Bortles, coincidentally, was worse. Carr's decline came under duress. He had the league's lowest pressure rate during the first half of the year, at 17.6 percent. Over the final eight weeks, that pressure rate leaped up to 25.0 percent. That was only eighth in the league, but it was enough to help throw Carr off track....


There is something that will have to improve, though, fluke or otherwise: Late in games, for whatever reason, Carr was a mess. He posted a 19.9 QBR in the fourth quarter and overtime, which was the second-worst mark in the league ahead of Nick Foles. Bortles, one spot ahead of Carr, finished at 31.2. Seven of Carr's 13 picks came in the fourth quarter and OT, despite the fact that he threw only 31 percent of his passes during that time frame. Only Matthew Stafford had a higher interception rate in the fourth quarter/OT (6.8 percent) than Carr (5.3 percent).
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Old 08-18-2016, 09:26 AM   #16
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holy christ

Chiefs fans talking shit on a QB who threw 32 TD in his second year

that's literally never happened in the history of this franchise
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Old 08-18-2016, 09:30 AM   #17
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holy christ

Chiefs fans talking shit on a QB who threw 32 TD in his second year

that's literally never happened in the history of this franchise
Exactly why we're using the word overrated. All anybody cares about is the sexy stats.

Same reason your dumb ass would rather have Foles than Smith.

Can Carr continue to develop and live up to the hype? Absolutely. He has a long ways to go though. He's not even better than Smith where we stand right now.

He regressed as the season went on (never a good sign IMO), and his fourth quarter statistics were absolutely terrible.
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Chiefs fans talking shit on a QB who threw 32 TD in his second year

that's literally never happened in the history of this franchise
BUH GAWD STATS! !!!!!
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Exactly why we're using the word overrated. All anybody cares about is the sexy stats.

Same reason your dumb ass would rather have Foles than Smith.

Can Carr continue to develop and live up to the hype? Absolutely. He has a long ways to go though. He's not even better than Smith where we stand right now though.
He probably jerks it to Cousins (Double Entendre )
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Exactly why we're using the word overrated. All anybody cares about is the sexy stats.

Same reason your dumb ass would rather have Foles than Smith.

Can Carr continue to develop and live up to the hype? Absolutely. He has a long ways to go though. He's not even better than Smith where we stand right now though.
He's already better than Smith. He's only played on teams with 32nd and 22nd ranked defenses and no ****ing running game.

A football team with Alex Smith and those defenses/running games would be in the top 5 for draft position every year.

We've got maybe two years left of "peak" Alex Smith, so enjoy 20 TD and 3500 yards and then wishing we had someone like Carr.

I mean do you even get that his best WR was a rookie last year...#2 was a draft bust poor man's Bowe.

lmfao...Chiefs fans...hilarious
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He's already better than Smith. He's only played on teams with 32nd and 22nd ranked defenses and no ****ing running game.

A football team with Alex Smith and those defenses/running games would be in the top 5 for draft position every year.

We've got maybe two years left of "peak" Alex Smith, so enjoy 20 TD and 3500 yards and then wishing we had someone like Carr.

I mean do you even get that his best WR was a rookie last year...#2 was a draft bust poor man's Bowe.

lmfao...Chiefs fans...hilarious
A lot of Chiefs fans do have penis envy regarding other teams QBs, but thats to be expected when your team doesnt draft and develop its own QB, so you instinctively root against that method and cross your fingers the retread way proves to be the right way
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Yeah, tds are good stats. I can be talked into yardage being overrated, but tds not so much
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Not when he's the worst QB in the league for half a season. Figured out.
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Not when he's the worst QB in the league for half a season. Figured out.
Carr threw for 2200 yards, 17 TDs and 10 INT in the last 8 games last year.

That's not even close to "worst QB in the league."
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Yeah, tds are good stats. I can be talked into yardage being overrated, but tds not so much
Stafford threw 41 TD's in year 3. Matt Ryan's had a 30+ TD season early in his career, now he's putting up Alex Smith #'s with Julio at WR. Foles had one of the best 10 or so game stretches in NFL history with his 27 TD's. Blake Bortles just threw 38 TD's in year two, while still having a bad season overall.

If you're going to get a boner over the TD totals that's fine, but let's not ignore the end of the season regression, the interceptions, and the atrocious 4th quarter stats.
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oh god a QB threw more than 10 INTs in a year

whatever will we do
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Carr threw for 2200 yards, 17 TDs and 10 INT in the last 8 games last year.

That's not even close to "worst QB in the league."
During Oakland's final eight games, Carr's QBR dropped to just 35.1, leaving him 28th out of 29 passers

Not the worst, but certainly well below average and one of the worst. Bortles was 29th, another QB people are overrating because of sexy stats. Coincidence? I think not. The potential is obviously there, but they both have a long way to go. Much longer than people want to admit.
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