Chiefs Arguing with a Co-Worker - Page 2

**gblowfish** · 11-02-2016, 12:15 PM

Since Foles is going to start this week, around the office, the guys were talking about this history of Chiefs QBs. One guy said "I wish we could have Vermeil and Green now...we'd go all the way." I basically said Vermeil was a mediocre coach with his time in KC, and Green was not a successful Chiefs QB. "How can you say that? He's the best QB KC had since Dawson." I said that you could argue that Cassel was as good as Green. Both had taken the team to the playoffs, both had equal playoff wins (zero). Green lost to Indy twice; Cassel to Baltimore at Arrowhead.

The Elephant in the Room for KC has always been the QB position. Here's some stuff to chew on:

KC's all time playoff record is 9-16. No super bowl since the 1969 season. That's 47 years, but who's counting?

Last time Chiefs drafted a QB in the 1st round was Blackledge in 1983.

The Chiefs have always used cast offs from other teams. Here a list of former SF QBs that have started for KC:
DeBerg, Montana, Bono, Grbac, Smith.

Other team castoff QBs that have started for KC over the years:
Dawson, Jaworski, Vlasic, Krieg, Gannon, Moon, Green, Huard, Cassel, now Foles.

Other QBs the Chiefs have drafted since Blackledge, and the round:

1987 Doug Hudson 7th, 1988 Danny McManus, 8th round, 1989 Mike Elkins 2nd Round, 1992 Matt Blunden 2nd Round, 1994 Steve Matthews 7th Round, 1995 Steve Stenstrom 4th Round, 1997 Pat Barnes 4th Round, 2005 James Killian 7th Round, 2006 Brodie Croyle 3rd Round, 2011 Ricky Stanzi, 5th Round, 2014 Aaron Murray, 5th Round. 2016: Kevin Hogan, 5th Round.

And that doesn't count the free agents and other camp invitees like Trick Shot Tanney and Casey Printers.

Chiefs traded their first round pick in 2001 to the Rams for Trent Green. That's the closest they've had to a 1st round QB pick since Blackledge.

Someday, they're going to have to draft and develop a QB. It's been 33 years since the last one. That has to be a record in the NFL. I wonder how many #1 picks the Browns have spent on QBs since 1983?

Chief Pagan · 11-02-2016, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish

"I wish we could have ~~Vermeil and Green~~ the 2003 offensive line now...we'd go all the way."

FYP

**Lzen** · 11-02-2016, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MTG#10

Stopped reading at Cassel was as good as Green.

Yeah, me too. Love reading your 10 things, George but that was dumb.

And Green played about as well as any QB could have played against Indy at Arrowhead. The problem is that he doesn't play defense and he didn't fumble the ball (Priest Holmes).

**Lzen** · 11-02-2016, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

I didn't know Blowfish also suffered multiple concussions this weekend. Get better.

Deberg_1990 · 11-02-2016, 12:56 PM

Ive mentioned this before, but there havent been many first round QBs since 1989 (Beginning of Carls tenure) that the Chiefs passed on that became great.

Aaron Rodgers comes to mind.....

It kills me that when we had the #1 overall, the QB selection was atrocious.

**Lzen** · 11-02-2016, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by KranzDictum

Bill Walsh talks about how Paul Brown taught him to draft a QB every year to have one to develop for your system. Doesn't have to be a high pick.

Guess which GM (hint: in the same division) who believes in drafting every year? 2nd Hint one of those late draft picks are paying off for them as they sit in 1st place right now!

Teams like kc and Chicago need to start drafting QB's and developing them rather than chasing needs. They don't even need to waste a 1st round pick, here is a thought rather than give someone else your 2nd round picks just ID a QB in draft and take him instead.

I get that Andy wanted to win now and thought he was a QB away, he just gave up too much for a guy who is more of an RB than QB.

I think you guys took one late this year, expect you to do it again. If you cut Alex next year his dead money drops to $7 Mill from $25. Then you have an extra roster spot for a young QB.

Chiefs brought in Tyler Bray in 2013, drafted Aaron Murray in 2014, and drafted Kevin Hogan in 2016. Please stop talking of things about which you have no clue.

**Perineum Ripper** · 11-02-2016, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dayze

everyone knows you win Championships with 1st round fatties and awesome tailgating.

This

If anyone disagrees you kick them in the taint.......or lady taint..whichever is appropriate

**Predarat** · 11-02-2016, 01:02 PM

cAssHole as good as Green???

Spott · 11-02-2016, 01:06 PM

That list of QB's is just plain awful.

DJ's left nut · 11-02-2016, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MTG#10

Stopped reading at Cassel was as good as Green.

Yup.

Green was an excellent quarterback that should've been no worse than an AFC Champion at some point in his career and would've won a SB but/for injuries in St. Louis, IMO.

But he can't play defense. Understating his performance here because he was forced to be damn near perfect game in, game out shows an alarming lack of football acumen.

Inane weekly observations or no...

Great Expectations · 11-02-2016, 01:25 PM

The losses to Indy were not Green's fault. He was a very good QB; good enough to win a super bowl.

VAChief · 11-02-2016, 01:42 PM

Green had some good years here, and benefited from some very good offensive lines. That is the case with the majority of quarterbacks. Very few have talent that can overcome below average line play. Elway was one, especially early in his career (as much as I hate to admit).

**pr_capone** · 11-02-2016, 01:46 PM

In no universe is Mark Castle even half the QB that Trent was AFTER he left the Chiefs.

KC_Lee · 11-02-2016, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Ive mentioned this before, but there havent been many first round QBs since 1989 (Beginning of Carls tenure) that the Chiefs passed on that became great.

Aaron Rodgers comes to mind.....

It kills me that when we had the #1 overall, the QB selection was atrocious.

A few QBs of note that KC could have taken since 1989, slim pickings to your point but a few serviceable gems.

Brett Favre 1991 2nd Round
Mark Brunell 1993 3rd Round
Matt Hasselbeck 1998 6th Round
Marc Bulger 2000 6th Round
Drew Brees 2001 2nd Round

**TimeForWasp** · 11-02-2016, 02:02 PM

I remember when he changed his name from Trint.

**Bowser** · 11-02-2016, 02:08 PM

Marc Bulger, lol. Can't see his name and not think of that turd poster here that went by Marc Bulger. Likely a mult, but hey, we're all just Kotter mults anyway.

11-02-2016, 12:15 PM
gblowfish Be Kind To Your Pets Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Glorious Independence, MO Casino cash: $17356178 VARSITY	Arguing with a Co-Worker Since Foles is going to start this week, around the office, the guys were talking about this history of Chiefs QBs. One guy said "I wish we could have Vermeil and Green now...we'd go all the way." I basically said Vermeil was a mediocre coach with his time in KC, and Green was not a successful Chiefs QB. "How can you say that? He's the best QB KC had since Dawson." I said that you could argue that Cassel was as good as Green. Both had taken the team to the playoffs, both had equal playoff wins (zero). Green lost to Indy twice; Cassel to Baltimore at Arrowhead. The Elephant in the Room for KC has always been the QB position. Here's some stuff to chew on: KC's all time playoff record is 9-16. No super bowl since the 1969 season. That's 47 years, but who's counting? Last time Chiefs drafted a QB in the 1st round was Blackledge in 1983. The Chiefs have always used cast offs from other teams. Here a list of former SF QBs that have started for KC: DeBerg, Montana, Bono, Grbac, Smith. Other team castoff QBs that have started for KC over the years: Dawson, Jaworski, Vlasic, Krieg, Gannon, Moon, Green, Huard, Cassel, now Foles. Other QBs the Chiefs have drafted since Blackledge, and the round: 1987 Doug Hudson 7th, 1988 Danny McManus, 8th round, 1989 Mike Elkins 2nd Round, 1992 Matt Blunden 2nd Round, 1994 Steve Matthews 7th Round, 1995 Steve Stenstrom 4th Round, 1997 Pat Barnes 4th Round, 2005 James Killian 7th Round, 2006 Brodie Croyle 3rd Round, 2011 Ricky Stanzi, 5th Round, 2014 Aaron Murray, 5th Round. 2016: Kevin Hogan, 5th Round. And that doesn't count the free agents and other camp invitees like Trick Shot Tanney and Casey Printers. Chiefs traded their first round pick in 2001 to the Rams for Trent Green. That's the closest they've had to a 1st round QB pick since Blackledge. Someday, they're going to have to draft and develop a QB. It's been 33 years since the last one. That has to be a record in the NFL. I wonder how many #1 picks the Browns have spent on QBs since 1983?
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Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $2544454	Ive mentioned this before, but there havent been many first round QBs since 1989 (Beginning of Carls tenure) that the Chiefs passed on that became great. Aaron Rodgers comes to mind..... It kills me that when we had the #1 overall, the QB selection was atrocious. __________________ Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning: Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down. One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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VAChief Comfortably Numb Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Virginia Casino cash: $4004657	Green had some good years here, and benefited from some very good offensive lines. That is the case with the majority of quarterbacks. Very few have talent that can overcome below average line play. Elway was one, especially early in his career (as much as I hate to admit).
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