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Old 09-16-2018, 02:31 PM  
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That's it.
You got major upgrades in the front seven. The corners were not the problem today. Guys running free underneath all ****ing day. NO PASS RUSH, rushing two and three guys and Steeler receivers STILL RUNNING FREE UNDERNEATH. Everytime we blitzed, we rushed the throw. Everytime we didn't, Roethlisberger had all ****ing day. No excuse to rush two and three against a HOF QB.

You got younger, and faster. It's not all on the players. It's the scheme. It leaves the defense on the field until they're gassed and give up the big play.

If the scheme is too complicated for your secondary to run, then CHANGE THE SCHEME.

You have an offense that can score at will. Play aggressive and make them match you big play for big play. blitz, pressure, force them to make a big play or a mistake. Sitting back in loose zones all day is NOT WORKING.

**** Sutton.
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Old 09-16-2018, 02:35 PM   #16
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Maybe if we had better talent we would get turnovers like we did with Berry and Peters that's what this defense thrived on last five years going to the playoffs.
YOU HAVE TO FORCE THE ISSUE.
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Old 09-16-2018, 02:35 PM   #17
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Hey, we've already played 2 of the best QBs we are going to be facing this season. We're currently weathering the worst of the storm.
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Old 09-16-2018, 02:35 PM   #18
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Why not just bring 4+ almost constantly? Would we somehow get torched worse?
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That's it.
You got major upgrades in the front seven. The corners were not the problem today. Guys running free underneath all ****ing day. NO PASS RUSH, rushing two and three guys and Steeler receivers STILL RUNNING FREE UNDERNEATH. Everytime we blitzed, we rushed the throw. Everytime we didn't, Roethlisberger had all ****ing day. No excuse to rush two and three against a HOF QB.

You got younger, and faster. It's not all on the players. It's the scheme. It leaves the defense on the field until they're gassed and give up the big play.

If the scheme is too complicated for your secondary to run, then CHANGE THE SCHEME.

You have an offense that can score at will. Play aggressive and make them match you big play for big play. blitz, pressure, force them to make a big play or a mistake. Sitting back in loose zones all day is NOT WORKING.

**** Sutton.
That performance and DeCastro, their best lineman didn't play. Sutton needs to go. Promote someone.

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Old 09-16-2018, 02:36 PM   #19
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Funny after years of CP defending him, NOW it’s time to bash him? Irony.
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Old 09-16-2018, 02:36 PM   #20
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I'd like to get rid of Sutton.

But fair question... I really wonder how much of the 2nd quarter collapse is him and how much is Reid. Is Reid asking Sutton to play a ton of Prevent when we get a big lead? Because it seems like a Reid thing to do.
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Old 09-16-2018, 02:36 PM   #21
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If we rush 3 on a 3rd and long one more time I'm going to lose my mind. Our secondary is marginal, at best. The fact this clown can't recognize that rushing 3 and giving them 5-7 seconds to throw the ball does not produce positive results is amazingly stupid. He's a liability. I believe this D has the ability to hold teams under 30, but not if he's going to be calling the plays. He's proved - over and over - that he thinks rushing 3-4 on most plays is the way to go. He's been proved wrong - over and over - when we do that we almost never have a positive play. Yet he keeps going to it over, and over, and over.
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Old 09-16-2018, 02:36 PM   #22
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I can't imagine seeing the Chiefs win their second straight game to start the season behind the hottest QB in the league and RUNNING to CP to post this thread. Different strokes, I guess.
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Old 09-16-2018, 02:37 PM   #23
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He's definitely bad but who cares right now? Enjoy the win!
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Old 09-16-2018, 02:37 PM   #24
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Major upgrades in the front 7? Other than Hitchens...who's an upgrade? And how are the corners not a problem? They're literally the biggest problem on the team.
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Not today, IMO. Fuller was great. Nelson was decent, and even Scandrick was decent-plays where Roethlisberger had 8 and 9 ****ing seconds you can't really hang on your secondary.

What killed us was James and Juju in the intermediary flats all ****ing game long. Murray looked like shit in particular; and what the hell is Hitchens and Smith doing covering a WR 30 yards downfield? It's stupid.
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Old 09-16-2018, 02:40 PM   #25
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When they would send 5 or more on Ben we got some stops.

Can't watch that 3 man pass rush anymore.
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I’m not a Sutton fan and I hope he gets canned. BUT:

Pitt had practically no rushing game

KC changed in 2nd Half and rushed more.

Our D line isn’t bad (that’s not saying much) but our secondary needs some real help.

This season is a prep for next year. I imagine we will cut either Houston or Berry, if not both. That will free up some salary cap room and I expect some of our younger players will start to gel.

We played well enough to win against a team many picked to go to Super Bowl.
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Old 09-16-2018, 02:41 PM   #27
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Funny after years of CP defending him, NOW it’s time to bash him? Irony.
I've not been a fan, but was willing to give his scheme one more shot; it was clear that we were outgunned physically last year. DJ was done, corners other than Peters were crap, Safety play was garbage and the only real DL presence was Jones.

Upgrades at both ILB spots (yes I know Ragland came last year), different corners, and Fuller while not being a TO machine is a better all-around player, Williams should be an upgrade; Nnadi and Speaks are certainly upgrades as rotational talent, Houston and Ford both healthy-

It's a misuse of the talent you HAVE. Rush 4 and 5 every ****ing play, man up and MAKE THEM BEAT YOU.

Also, that's not IRONY.
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Old 09-16-2018, 02:42 PM   #28
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Its easy enough to understand the frustration with certain chapters in the typical game book that Sutton usually dials up... I was ready to shitcan him myself at one point

But he walked out of Pittsburgh a winner today, having beaten the Steelers AND the refs

Its impossible to blame him for the constant non-calls for his players, pittsburgh was once again allowed to clutch and grab AT WILL... its an ongoing disgrace and EVERYONE here knows it
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Sutton's scheme was ass. I have no idea why the guy thinks the way to win is to drop 8 back and have them protect squares of space rather than send 4-5 at the person who has to throw the ball.
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Its easy enough to understand the frustration with certain chapters in the typical game book that Sutton usually dials up... I was ready to shitcan him myself at one point

But he walked out of Pittsburgh a winner today, having beaten the Steelers AND the refs

Its impossible to blame him for the constant non-calls for his players, pittsburgh was once again allowed to clutch and grab AT WILL... its an ongoing disgrace and EVERYONE here knows it
I'll cede the fact the Refs were out to make sure Pit was in the game
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