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**chiefforlife** · 03-10-2019, 12:42 PM

Chiefs’ Jeff Allen praises Antonio Brown for disrupting the system
Posted by Michael David Smith on March 10, 2019, 2:24 PM EDT
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In a league where stars rarely win contract disputes and rarely choose their teams, Antonio Brown did both. Other players are noticing.

Shortly after Brown got his wish of a trade out of Pittsburgh and a new contract, Chiefs offensive lineman Jeff Allen said in a series of tweets that Brown helped show that players can occasionally win a game that is usually won by the owners.

“AB just disrupted a system that’s designed for us to contractually lose in. If you hate it then hate what the other side does everyday,” Allen wrote.

Allen believes that Brown was wise to make waves publicly and force the Steelers’ hand.

“He had to publicly do this to even have a chance of being moved. If he would have quietly tried this which a lot guys do he’d still be in Pittsburgh. Owners can move in silence because they have the power,” Allen wrote.

In Allen’s view, if owners don’t want players to try to force their way out of situations like Brown just did, then owners should guarantee all contracts.

“It’s football you get hurt. It’s a 100% injury rate. I’m fair and honest, you can care about winning along with your check. Guys wouldn’t care about money if contracts were fully guaranteed. AB was already paid he just wasn’t happy in Pittsburgh it’s simple,” Allen wrote. “What does a contract mean when you can get cut after getting hurt while laying your body on the line for your team or cut just because they feel like you aren’t worth what the contract says.”

Allen said he personally wouldn’t do the same thing Brown did, but he knows he doesn’t have the leverage that a four-time first-team All-Pro like Brown has.

“I can’t do what he did, you have to be honest with yourself,” Allen wrote.

At a time when Brown has lost a lot of fans in Pittsburgh, he has surely gained a lot of fans among his fellow players, who are glad to see a player come out ahead in a dispute with his team.

DJ's left nut · 03-10-2019, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefforlife

I suppose that is possible and even probable.

My thoughts immediately go to Berry and Houston. We all thought at the time, they were worth the contracts they were given and they were.
A few years later we are looking for any way to get out from under those deals. Imagine if they were fully guaranteed? Yikes

If they were, we simply wouldn't have 'dead money' to be dealing with and the $$$ wouldn't be as high either. This is all a question of what they can leverage out of teams. If these guys thought they had the ability to go leverage anything close to what they got in guaranteed money from teams, they'd have never extended for what they did. They'd have played on the tag and gone to the market at some point.

There's not a real practical distinction given the ability of players to get signing bonuses that ARE guaranteed and then are pro-rated over the cap. Teams already aware partial guarantees or guarantee X number of years of salary as it stands.

This won't be the market shifter they think it will, IMO. And it would make teams a hell of a lot more risk-averse. It could easily backfire on them.

Chris Meck · 03-10-2019, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

If they were, we simply wouldn't have 'dead money' to be dealing with and the $$$ wouldn't be as high either. This is all a question of what they can leverage out of teams. If these guys thought they had the ability to go leverage anything close to what they got in guaranteed money from teams, they'd have never extended for what they did. They'd have played on the tag and gone to the market at some point.

There's not a real practical distinction given the ability of players to get signing bonuses that ARE guaranteed and then are pro-rated over the cap. Teams already aware partial guarantees or guarantee X number of years of salary as it stands.

This won't be the market shifter they think it will, IMO. And it would make teams a hell of a lot more risk-averse. It could easily backfire on them.

I don't see how it could do anything BUT backfire.

It's going to drive salaries DOWN, not up.

Iconic · 03-10-2019, 01:21 PM

I mean wouldn't the owners still win even if guaranteed contracts were the only option? Owners would simply adapt and never hand out long-term deals. The length of each contract would shorten to avoid getting ****ed over by potential injuries. Every player would basically be playing contract to contract, almost like they are on a 1-2 year franchise tag outside of QBs.

Chris Meck · 03-10-2019, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Iconic

I mean wouldn't the owners still win even if guaranteed contracts were the only option? Owners would simply adapt and never hand out long-term deals. The length of each contract would shorten to avoid getting ****ed over by potential injuries. Every player would basically be playing contract to contract, almost like they are on a 1-2 year franchise tag outside of QBs.

certainly a lot FEWER long term deals. It'd be too much of a risk.

**notorious** · 03-10-2019, 01:40 PM

I think the simple solution to fully guaranteed contracts is that an injured player’s cap hit is void for the games missed.

If a player misses 8 games, the team still has to pay him but the cap hit is only half. Think of our Albatross, Eric Berry. We would still pay him but the cap would have been adjusted to allow us to get a replacement.

I’m sure there are holes in my idea, but it’s a start.

JakeF · 03-10-2019, 01:41 PM

So Antonio Brown is pulling a Terrell Owens. Go to a team, sign a contract ... become a distract to force your way out, sign a new contract. It's going to cost Owens a place in the HOF. Hopefully it will cost Brown the same.

Before all the Pro-player fans around here start cheering, do you like that Houston and Berry might be doing the same in KC?

DJ's left nut · 03-10-2019, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious

I think the simple solution to fully guaranteed contracts is that an injured player’s cap hit is void for the games missed.

If a player misses 8 games, the team still has to pay him but the cap hit is only half. Think of our Albatross, Eric Berry. We would still pay him but the cap would have been adjusted to allow us to get a replacement.

I’m sure there are holes in my idea, but it’s a start.

You'd have savage cap manipulation at that point. I could see it for long-term injuries; maybe guys on the IR. But you'd see 'injuries' that could never be disproven on guys who are just not playing well.

Chief Roundup · 03-10-2019, 01:51 PM

It will be interesting to see this all play out with the guaranteed contract situation.
I am not sure how contracts would actually go down as the owners will still have a spending floor requirements. Is this where the teams get expanded and we go to 18 game regular seasons?

**Rain Man** · 03-10-2019, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JakeF

So Antonio Brown is pulling a Terrell Owens. Go to a team, sign a contract ... become a distract to force your way out, sign a new contract. It's going to cost Owens a place in the HOF. Hopefully it will cost Brown the same.

Before all the Pro-player fans around here start cheering, do you like that Houston and Berry might be doing the same in KC?

Well, it cost Owens a couple of years of Hall of Fame status.

MIAdragon · 03-10-2019, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by alanm

Allen is right though. The holdout in 21 will be over guaranteed contracts. And it's long overdue.

Guaranteed contracts are terrible

JakeF · 03-10-2019, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

Well, it cost Owens a couple of years of Hall of Fame status.

Point taken, he did get in eventually. The distraction everyone talks about when keeping Owen out is because of all the contract double-dipping he did. They just don't say it.

JakeF · 03-10-2019, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MIAdragon

Guaranteed contracts are terrible

Agreed, especially in such an injury-laden sport like football. I doubt the owners will ever agree to it. If they ever do put it into the CBA it will be the end to contracts longer than 2-3 years.

Titty Meat · 03-10-2019, 02:04 PM

But CP told us Brown was a cancer

KChiefs1 · 03-10-2019, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by JakeF

So Antonio Brown is pulling a Terrell Owens. Go to a team, sign a contract ... become a distract to force your way out, sign a new contract. It's going to cost Owens a place in the HOF. Hopefully it will cost Brown the same.

Before all the Pro-player fans around here start cheering, do you like that Houston and Berry might be doing the same in KC?

TO is in the HOF.

staylor26 · 03-10-2019, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat

But CP told us Brown was a cancer

and how the **** does this disprove that?

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