2019 Draft Ranking for Positions - Page 2

**chiefforlife** · 03-25-2019, 01:45 PM

Not a good year to try for a CB1 or Safety. Makes DJLN's pick of a center sound even better...

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...est-to-weakest

htismaqe · 03-25-2019, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

They need top end guys pretty quickly. Why wouldn't they?

At CB and S? Several people here just got done saying they don't need them. So which position are you talking about?

htismaqe · 03-25-2019, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefforlife

If you are looking for a CB1, there is ONE who wont be available at 29. So yeah, you could take one in the second but it wont be a 1. Safety may be the same situation.

So, not a good year to use a first round pick on a DB. Could get very similar value in round 2.

There's a couple of guys that COULD be 1's with the right coaching.

I never suggested using a first round pick on a DB. I've said SECOND ROUND multiple times.

O.city · 03-25-2019, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

At CB and S? Several people here just got done saying they don't need them. So which position are you talking about?

I think they need top end guys back there, I don't think anyone in this draft that will be available to the Chiefs will be that, atleast not very quickly.

That would be my reason for taking Bradburry, if they think he's a high end player.

htismaqe · 03-25-2019, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

As for the idea that there's depth to be found that could develop into a CB1 - I reiterate, how is that any different from any draft class?

It isn't. They still need quality depth with the potential to start. That's what the 2nd and 3rd rounds are supposed to be for, are they not?

O.city · 03-25-2019, 02:13 PM

The top end CB's in this draft look to me like the normal guys that go at the end of the 1st/middle of the 2nd every year.

Kind of a high end #2 corner that you can pair with your guy on the other side. It's just damn hard to get a legit guy as they go so early. Kind of the same with, well, every position these days.

htismaqe · 03-25-2019, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I think they need top end guys back there, I don't think anyone in this draft that will be available to the Chiefs will be that, atleast not very quickly.

That would be my reason for taking Bradburry, if they think he's a high end player.

So they need top end guys but since you can't guarantee anybody will be there, you just throw up your hands and give up?

Again, I don't have a problem with Bradbury in the first, as long as they get a DB in the 2nd. Right now, they don't have enough guys in the secondary to even play a game and despite all the attempts to say otherwise, the depth they have there isn't adequate at all.

DJ's left nut · 03-25-2019, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

If that's the case, then this isn't really a great year for anything other than DL, edge, and TE.

I think it's a good year for OL as well.

I mean damn, how many positions in any class do you expect to be good? DL, Edge, OL and TE is not a small number of available 'strong' groups.

I think that's exactly where the line is drawn. Starting with those groups you have various iterations of the same creatures; position groups that are strong in their depth or just flat out bad. WR and DB is the former, I'd say off-ball linebacker is the latter. I've been saying all along that apart from White and Bush, I don't see a great MLB candidate and outside of Walker and Pratt I don't even see a Sam that stands out. It's a flat out bad class for LBs but it's definitely a below average group for CBs.

O.city · 03-25-2019, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

So they need top end guys but since you can't guarantee anybody will be there, you just throw up your hands and give up?

Again, I don't have a problem with Bradbury in the first, as long as they get a DB in the 2nd. Right now, they don't have enough guys in the secondary to even play a game and despite all the attempts to say otherwise, the depth they have there isn't adequate at all.

No I don't throw my hands up. As I said, i'd take the guy rated the highest on my board. Be that a WR (another class that seems a little weak to me), interior OL, pass rusher etc.

I'd take those 2 2nd rounders and look for guys that have the upside to atleast become starters at worst in the secondary but I wouldn't necessarily force it.

O.city · 03-25-2019, 02:17 PM

I've come around to Sweat or one of the DE prospects but those guys tend to get picked pretty quickly

DJ's left nut · 03-25-2019, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

It isn't. They still need quality depth with the potential to start. That's what the 2nd and 3rd rounds are supposed to be for, are they not?

Sure, but it's still all relative.

And relative to other positions and other years, this is a poor class for defensive backs. It's a deep class and so there SHOULD be a solid 2nd day value to be had at CB or safety.

But I think you can say that most years. We're talking maybe one or 2 more guys than is normal in that 2nd tier of 'solid but unspectacular' DB prospects.

htismaqe · 03-25-2019, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I think it's a good year for OL as well.

I mean damn, how many positions in any class do you expect to be good? DL, Edge, OL and TE is not a small number of available 'strong' groups.

I think that's exactly where the line is drawn. Starting with those groups you have various iterations of the same creatures; position groups that are strong in their depth or just flat out bad. WR and DB is the former, I'd say off-ball linebacker is the latter. I've been saying all along that apart from White and Bush, I don't see a great MLB candidate and outside of Walker and Pratt I don't even see a Sam that stands out. It's a flat out bad class for LBs but it's definitely a below average group for CBs.

The offensive tackle class is very, very good. There's probably 5 or 6 guys with first round grades.

But we're talking about interior lineman. Bradbury is the only center that anybody has a first round grade on and even then, a lot of sites have him as a 2nd rounder.

At guard, you have the EXACT situation you're talking about with CB's - there's nobody there that's really worth a first and some guys like Jordan and and Deiter are going to get pushed up because of it.

I mean, NFL Rough Draft, who has the highest success rate picking the top 100 the last 3 years, has ZERO interior linemen with a 1st round grade.

htismaqe · 03-25-2019, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I've come around to Sweat or one of the DE prospects but those guys tend to get picked pretty quickly

I don't like Sweat, I've made my feelings known about that one. I'm definitely in on DL/DE though.

**chiefforlife** · 03-25-2019, 02:20 PM

To simplify things, do you take the 6th best DL or the 7th best Edge guy or the TOP Center?

If we are taking BPA that also happens to be at a position of need, thats what you do.

Of course we are assuming based on Mock drafts and such that this is how things will fall but who knows? Maybe a TOP guy at another position will be there but I doubt it.

O.city · 03-25-2019, 02:21 PM

I actually wouldn't be upset at taking on the of tackles at 29 if they dropped to them in the event Fisher or Schwartz price themselves out next year.

I don't know what you do with said player for a year though. LOL.

O.city · 03-25-2019, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefforlife

To simplify things, do you take the 6th best DL or the 7th best Edge guy or the TOP Center?

If we are taking BPA that also happens to be at a position of need, thats what you do.

Of course we are assuming based on Mock drafts and such that this is how things will fall but who knows? Maybe a TOP guy at another position will be there but I doubt it.

It fell that way in the CP mock. I don't think it will in real time. Teams boards will be all over the place so some of the guys at the top of the 2nd will go mid first etc.

If Bradburry is the best player fine. I don't think the situation where that happens will occur.

03-25-2019, 01:45 PM
chiefforlife Colorado Chief Fan Join Date: Feb 2006 Casino cash: $5493147	2019 Draft Ranking for Positions Not a good year to try for a CB1 or Safety. Makes DJLN's pick of a center sound even better... http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...est-to-weakest
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03-25-2019, 02:13 PM	#20
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-735936	The top end CB's in this draft look to me like the normal guys that go at the end of the 1st/middle of the 2nd every year. Kind of a high end #2 corner that you can pair with your guy on the other side. It's just damn hard to get a legit guy as they go so early. Kind of the same with, well, every position these days.
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03-25-2019, 02:17 PM	#24
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-735936	I've come around to Sweat or one of the DE prospects but those guys tend to get picked pretty quickly
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03-25-2019, 02:20 PM	#28
chiefforlife Colorado Chief Fan Join Date: Feb 2006 Casino cash: $5493147	To simplify things, do you take the 6th best DL or the 7th best Edge guy or the TOP Center? If we are taking BPA that also happens to be at a position of need, thats what you do. Of course we are assuming based on Mock drafts and such that this is how things will fall but who knows? Maybe a TOP guy at another position will be there but I doubt it.
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03-25-2019, 02:21 PM	#29
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-735936	I actually wouldn't be upset at taking on the of tackles at 29 if they dropped to them in the event Fisher or Schwartz price themselves out next year. I don't know what you do with said player for a year though. LOL.
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