Life Draw Your Line - Page 2

tmax63 · 04-24-2019, 11:59 AM

There's lots of people here who don't mind Clark's history or Hunt and Hill's history either. There's some here who do. Where do you draw the line?

Is it conviction?
Is it "cops called, reports filed"?
Is it multiple incidents?
Is an allegation from college enough?

Is it cultural? Some people were raised to spank their kids and see nothing wrong with a "board of education". Others will scream "Child Abuse" and want to take kids out of the home and throw them into the foster care system.
If you grew up seeing mom and dad fighting how long do you get to figure out that's not how it's supposed to be before you are accountable? What's the appropriate level of punishment?
Polls are to rigid, just looking for your answers.

MTG#10 · 04-24-2019, 03:38 PM

I dont have a line. The Chiefs could bring in AOC and I wouldn't mind if she helped us win a Superbowl.

oldman · 04-24-2019, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by scho63

Innocent until proven guilty-that's always my line

That's kind of where I'm at. We don't know if it was Hill, baby mama, or someone else. It appears the DA doesn't either. In Hunt's case, we all saw the video --- multiple times.

**007** · 04-24-2019, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by scho63

No one knows what happened except Tyreek and his wife. All this speculation that he or his wife intentionally hurt the child is ridiculous.

Could it have happened? Yes.

Could one of them have grabbed the kid by the arm and yanked him to make him listen or some other reason and they accidentally broke the kids arm? Yes

I'm not going to make assumptions and cast aspersions like the DA did. That's bullshit.

I did not say anyone intentionally hurt the child. Just that they are protecting the person that did hurt the child.

tx4chiefs · 04-24-2019, 03:48 PM

This is still America... Innocent until proven guilty. I say conviction. Even Jussie Smollet was arrested and charged, but got off because of politics.

TambaBerry · 04-24-2019, 03:51 PM

I was beat with ping pong paddles and belts, mouth washed out with soap had to take a bite off a soap bar and now days that would be considered child abuse. I've also been yanked really hard for not listening and I never once thought my parents were abusing me

Kiimo · 04-24-2019, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MTG#10

I dont have a line. The Chiefs could bring in AOC and I wouldn't mind if she helped us win a Superbowl.

She's the Sean McVay of Congress

kccrow · 04-24-2019, 04:05 PM

Conviction for domestic assault/abuse is where I lose respect for the player but even then I don't think NFL players should be held to a standard of "role model." Even then, I think there's a huge difference between child abuse and spanking your child as a form of discipline. That's a societal issue though.

We shouldn't allow our children to idolize sports stars in the way that we do. Their role models should be their parents, in reality, and we should strive to be great parents. So, with that said, I don't think playing football should be dependent upon how great of an individual that person is. If they pay their dues to society, that is serve the terms of their conviction, then I have no issue with them being employed by an NFL team.

I don't think though, that it should be the right of the NFL to intervene and suspend the player. The team should be able to suspend it's employee should they see fit and that is where it should end, same as any employer suspending an employee for insubordination and other infractions (such as use of street drugs). The State they live in isn't suspending them from work, for example, but that's how the NFL currently operates.

I think the only things the NFL should have oversight of in terms of suspensions and/or penalties is for performance enhancing drugs and team cheating. They should act as a league oversight board, not a court of law and not the employer.

**Rain Man** · 04-24-2019, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

I think the only things the NFL should have oversight of in terms of suspensions and/or penalties is for performance enhancing drugs and team cheating. They should act as a league oversight board, not a court of law and not the employer.

This describes my views perfectly. They control stuff on the field, and let society handles stuff off the field.

**Rain Man** · 04-24-2019, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MTG#10

I dont have a line. The Chiefs could bring in AOC and I wouldn't mind if she helped us win a Superbowl.

She would have thrived in a Trent Green offense.

Mecca · 04-24-2019, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TambaBerry

I was beat with ping pong paddles and belts, mouth washed out with soap had to take a bite off a soap bar and now days that would be considered child abuse. I've also been yanked really hard for not listening and I never once thought my parents were abusing me

Kinda how much stuff has changed, I got my ass belt beat several times...had my arm yanked on. All sorts of stuff that people would say is abuse now.

Bump · 04-24-2019, 04:39 PM

It doesn't matter anymore. If you try to be the good guy and just cut a good player because he's a criminal or did something bad, some other team just gets to swoop him right up for cheap. **** that, there's no honor in the NFL. We released Hunt and the Browns will reap the rewards for that for the 2nd half of the season, down the stretch. If they are still allowed to play in the NFL, then I don't care. There's no image, nobody still says "boy those Chiefs sure are swell because they did the right thing and released Hunt" nobody gives a shit anymore.

**Rain Man** · 04-24-2019, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Kinda how much stuff has changed, I got my ass belt beat several times...had my arm yanked on. All sorts of stuff that people would say is abuse now.

One of my favorite childhood stories was when I was probably six or seven years old. I was in the pickup with my mom and I was doing something she didn't like. I don't remember my crime. But she got mad at me and said, "I'm either going to take your allowance this week or I'm going to hit you. Which do you want?"

I said, "Well, go ahead and hit me."

She was mad, so she immediately took the offer and smacked me. Then she started laughing that I did that.

mr. tegu · 04-24-2019, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 007

Somebody mentioned this on 810 in regards to Hill. Even though they can't prosecute, Hill is still protecting someone that hurt this child. That alone is a problem whether it's himself or the mother.

If a father spanks a six year old child and causes them to get scared and to hurt themselves and need go to the hospital, and when asked at the hospital what happened the kid says something like dad spanked him and scared him, what should the wife say or do when CPS comes calling? Is her protecting the father a problem in this scenario?

keg in kc · 04-24-2019, 05:16 PM

I don't go for guilt by assocation. I don't go for suspicion. So my line is that the individual in question has to actually - themselves - be verifiably guilty of something.

But it's different for the League. Actions taken by the NFL aren't about punishment or justice. They're about perception. I only have to worry about my conscience. They have millions of fans, hundreds of advertisers and endless media scrutiny.

big nasty kcnut · 04-24-2019, 05:40 PM

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Ok I drew my line now what?

04-24-2019, 11:59 AM
tmax63 Veteran Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Colorado Casino cash: $423600	Draw Your Line There's lots of people here who don't mind Clark's history or Hunt and Hill's history either. There's some here who do. Where do you draw the line? Is it conviction? Is it "cops called, reports filed"? Is it multiple incidents? Is an allegation from college enough? Is it cultural? Some people were raised to spank their kids and see nothing wrong with a "board of education". Others will scream "Child Abuse" and want to take kids out of the home and throw them into the foster care system. If you grew up seeing mom and dad fighting how long do you get to figure out that's not how it's supposed to be before you are accountable? What's the appropriate level of punishment? Polls are to rigid, just looking for your answers.
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04-24-2019, 03:38 PM	#16
MTG#10 Mammoth penis Join Date: May 2006 Location: Springfield Casino cash: $7014386	I dont have a line. The Chiefs could bring in AOC and I wouldn't mind if she helped us win a Superbowl.
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04-24-2019, 03:48 PM	#19
tx4chiefs Starter Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Texas Casino cash: $5156461	This is still America... Innocent until proven guilty. I say conviction. Even Jussie Smollet was arrested and charged, but got off because of politics.
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04-24-2019, 03:51 PM	#20
TambaBerry MVP Join Date: Jan 2013 Casino cash: $-1584459	I was beat with ping pong paddles and belts, mouth washed out with soap had to take a bite off a soap bar and now days that would be considered child abuse. I've also been yanked really hard for not listening and I never once thought my parents were abusing me
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04-24-2019, 04:05 PM	#22
kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $-1370000	Conviction for domestic assault/abuse is where I lose respect for the player but even then I don't think NFL players should be held to a standard of "role model." Even then, I think there's a huge difference between child abuse and spanking your child as a form of discipline. That's a societal issue though. We shouldn't allow our children to idolize sports stars in the way that we do. Their role models should be their parents, in reality, and we should strive to be great parents. So, with that said, I don't think playing football should be dependent upon how great of an individual that person is. If they pay their dues to society, that is serve the terms of their conviction, then I have no issue with them being employed by an NFL team. I don't think though, that it should be the right of the NFL to intervene and suspend the player. The team should be able to suspend it's employee should they see fit and that is where it should end, same as any employer suspending an employee for insubordination and other infractions (such as use of street drugs). The State they live in isn't suspending them from work, for example, but that's how the NFL currently operates. I think the only things the NFL should have oversight of in terms of suspensions and/or penalties is for performance enhancing drugs and team cheating. They should act as a league oversight board, not a court of law and not the employer.
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04-24-2019, 04:39 PM	#26
Bump YOU take YOUR seat Join Date: Nov 2007 Casino cash: $-1754895	It doesn't matter anymore. If you try to be the good guy and just cut a good player because he's a criminal or did something bad, some other team just gets to swoop him right up for cheap. **** that, there's no honor in the NFL. We released Hunt and the Browns will reap the rewards for that for the 2nd half of the season, down the stretch. If they are still allowed to play in the NFL, then I don't care. There's no image, nobody still says "boy those Chiefs sure are swell because they did the right thing and released Hunt" nobody gives a shit anymore.
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04-24-2019, 05:16 PM	#29
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	I don't go for guilt by assocation. I don't go for suspicion. So my line is that the individual in question has to actually - themselves - be verifiably guilty of something. But it's different for the League. Actions taken by the NFL aren't about punishment or justice. They're about perception. I only have to worry about my conscience. They have millions of fans, hundreds of advertisers and endless media scrutiny.
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04-24-2019, 05:40 PM	#30
big nasty kcnut The pizza king of kansas Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Somewhere in the u.s.a. Casino cash: $-2319100	___________________________ Ok I drew my line now what? __________________ When it's grim, be the grim reaper and go get it. Adopt a chiefs Travis Kelce. You woke up the wrong mother****er!
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