Sports cards

[Halfcan]

After a quick search on Ebay - I am a millionaire- common Jordan cards are going for $225,000 Wow I am rich!!

PM me if you want one at the discount price of 100K!

[Abba-Dabba]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

After a quick search on Ebay - I am a millionaire- common Jordan cards are going for $225,000 Wow I am rich!!

PM me if you want one at the discount price of 100K!

You too!

One of the biggest laughs for me is when people look at active eBay buy it now listings, picked the highest value and claim they have a small fortune on their hands. They hate it when I show them their 10k card sells at a fraction of that. Most people don't understand that the pricing of cards on eBay is akin to putting a Mercedes price tag on a Yugo.

Ever watch a balloon deflate?

[tatorhog]

If you could get a couple of Jordans, one in 10 and another in 9 (yeah right) and hit on the checklist, Moore, Wilkins, and maybe a low pop scrub, you'll be even. Then if you hit a Cap sticker in high grade and the Jordan as well, you'll be in the green...but man that's a long long long shot. going 9's across the board would be tough. A friend of mine back in the day bought a case (this was before PSA came into play. He also bought up all the 84 Star jordans he could. I was with him when he busted one box and the quality just wasn't there. the box looked good, but the centering and overall quality was meh. The unopened and unknown is the value in that material now.

yeah, f___ PWCC. I had a couple dealings with him on lesser stuff in the past where I thought he was kind of an ass. Then a couple years later he gets blown up for trimming and actually uses some line like "photos aren't evidence". I think he's closely tied to another guy I had dealt with in the past who supposedly warehoused a lot of his collection in the same town. That guy wasn't much better IMO. He's one of the chosen few to have his collection name printed on the label, but it doesn't save him from being dick as well.

I figured as long as the card fills the holder, its a heck of a lot closer to being legit than one that rattles around.

even with the PWCC news, Heritage and other big houses are hitting big numbers, so either it hasn't gotten around or some people just don't care. net54 I think, had a really interesting thread on a Brady rookie that was proven to be trimmed years ago. It was a serialed card that suddenly has less border (some of his foot was missing in the before/after shots of it) and made its way into a nice holder with less foot. Its not just PWCC sadly, that crap has been going on forever and some people simply buy the case and not the card. Hell, even the Holy Grail Wagner has its own mystery of being hand cut from an old sheet.

[Over Yonder]

Originally Posted by tatorhog

If you could get a couple of Jordans, one in 10 and another in 9 (yeah right) and hit on the checklist, Moore, Wilkins, and maybe a low pop scrub, you'll be even. Then if you hit a Cap sticker in high grade and the Jordan as well, you'll be in the green...but man that's a long long long shot. going 9's across the board would be tough. A friend of mine back in the day bought a case (this was before PSA came into play. He also bought up all the 84 Star jordans he could. I was with him when he busted one box and the quality just wasn't there. the box looked good, but the centering and overall quality was meh. The unopened and unknown is the value in that material now.

yeah, f___ PWCC. I had a couple dealings with him on lesser stuff in the past where I thought he was kind of an ass. Then a couple years later he gets blown up for trimming and actually uses some line like "photos aren't evidence". I think he's closely tied to another guy I had dealt with in the past who supposedly warehoused a lot of his collection in the same town. That guy wasn't much better IMO. He's one of the chosen few to have his collection name printed on the label, but it doesn't save him from being dick as well.

I figured as long as the card fills the holder, its a heck of a lot closer to being legit than one that rattles around.

even with the PWCC news, Heritage and other big houses are hitting big numbers, so either it hasn't gotten around or some people just don't care. net54 I think, had a really interesting thread on a Brady rookie that was proven to be trimmed years ago. It was a serialed card that suddenly has less border (some of his foot was missing in the before/after shots of it) and made its way into a nice holder with less foot. Its not just PWCC sadly, that crap has been going on forever and some people simply buy the case and not the card. Hell, even the Holy Grail Wagner has its own mystery of being hand cut from an old sheet.

I thought that was common knowledge in the hobby? I don't do old tobacco cards at all, but it seems like I read somewhere that PSA acknowledged that it was sheet cut, but it was such a rare example, that they let it slide (or something to that effect)

Of course, I could be remembering that all wrong, but it seems like that's what I read.

[tatorhog]

Originally Posted by Over Yonder

I thought that was common knowledge in the hobby? I don't do old tobacco cards at all, but it seems like I read somewhere that PSA acknowledged that it was sheet cut, but it was such a rare example, that they let it slide (or something to that effect)

Of course, I could be remembering that all wrong, but it seems like that's what I read.

I do have some old tobacco cards, but nothing of any real importance. I have some HOFers in the psa 3-5 range. Mostly because they really are cool cards, and for me, in that 3-5 range if the card is centered, then its grade is brought down usually by corners and edges, which if symmetrical still presents nice. I also like the to have a little toning to them too, then its a little better chance they haven't been washed, etc.

The Wagner stuff may be more common than I realize. There are some really old "Xeroxed" clippings and whatnot that have been circulated over the years that kind of retell the story. Its been a long time since I've really thought about any of it (I figure if a guy has the means to own a MLB team, he isn't in much of a hurry to sell that card to me for what I could pay for it, which would be its 1912 price).

I guess as I typed this I did a quick search and it looks like Mastro fessed up to it a few years ago. That's news to me. I had heard mixed stuff about him, and there was the posted research into why people believed so strongly he had altered the card that I vaguely remembered. And with a billionaire owning it now, I don't see any grading company having the power to recall and reslab it as auth-altered. I suppose the jumbo Wagner could have been another victim of his had he gotten ahold of it. For me, with it being oversized and even a little ugly, if I were in that level of collecting, I would have to say that would be THE card now with the new-to-me info about the McNall Wagner.

[Easy 6]

I just scored an Absolute Rookie Roundup Patrick Mahomes card for $20

[Deberg_1990]

Just scored a Kyler Murray Chrome. Yes!!

[Jenson71]

Can someone recommend good starter packs for 2nd - 4th grade students? Either football or basketball.

[Abba-Dabba]

Originally Posted by Jenson71

Can someone recommend good starter packs for 2nd - 4th grade students? Either football or basketball.

Kids from 7-9? Panini Stickers for both NFL and NBA, or NFL Five. You're basically looking for low end and low cost products. Donruss or NBAHoops if you want more of a traditional form of a sports card. You start getting into the opti-chrome like Prizm, Select, Mosaic, or Phoenix(hobby only) cards and cost can skyrocket. Typically look for retail over hobby as hobby would be overkill from a cost standpoint as well.

[Jenson71]

Originally Posted by RubberSponge

Kids from 7-9? Panini Stickers for both NFL and NBA, or NFL Five. You're basically looking for low end and low cost products. Donruss or NBAHoops if you want more of a traditional form of a sports card. You start getting into the opti-chrome like Prizm, Select, Mosaic, or Phoenix(hobby only) cards and cost can skyrocket. Typically look for retail over hobby as hobby would be overkill from a cost standpoint as well.

Awesome -- thanks. I looked up Panini Stickers and a box was $99, a little out of my budget. Here is Panini Prestige for kind of the price range I'm looking at spending:

https://www.amazon.com/Panini-Presti...ustomerReviews

Any concerns there?

[Abba-Dabba]

Originally Posted by Jenson71

Awesome -- thanks. I looked up Panini Stickers and a box was $99, a little out of my budget. Here is Panini Prestige for kind of the price range I'm looking at spending:

https://www.amazon.com/Panini-Presti...ustomerReviews

Any concerns there?

That is a retail blaster box that was sold on the shelf for $25-27. That blaster box has 8 packs for $55. Makes it roughly $7 per pack. I won't mention any disparaging remarks against the reseller as that is business as usual it seems any more. A Sticker box has 50 packs at $100 for roughly about $2 per pack. You might be able to find plenty of single sticker packs at retail stores like Wal-Mart and Target.

FWIW Ebay may save you a couple bucks.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro...l&_dcat=261328

Box of NBA stickers for $65.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/40336466655...UAAOSwRJthvzpb