Football 2017 QB Draft - Page 2

Pitt Gorilla · 08-03-2019, 05:26 PM

The 2017 Draft turned out perfectly for us, clearly (Thank you Bengals et. al). The question is no longer who the best QB from that draft is; it's who is second-best between Watson and Trubisky, as evidenced by threads posing that question on each of their boards.

So, here's my question: Why in God's name did the Bears trade up one spot to take Mitch? What could possibly be the rationale here? There were ZERO other teams dumb enough to trade up to the #2 spot for him, so why not take his inferior ass at #3, especially given the insane amount of draft capital they gave up. I don't get it.

Pitt Gorilla · 08-03-2019, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

Does anybody think Dorsey and Reid settle for their 2nd choice in Watson if the Bears had been smarter and taken Mahomes? Reid said they liked him, but do you think they would have liked him enough to make the same trade? Only for Watson instead of Mahomes?

I actually say no. I think the Texans WERE desperate and would have made that trade. They might have even paid more to move up higher than 12 after the Bears took Mahomes at 2 or 3. But I don't think the Chiefs would have paid what they did for Mahomes to settle for Watson.

Makes Dorsey's ability to work the draft board and know the EXACT sweet spot of when to grab Mahomes even more remarkable.

Even the Texans didn't really want Watson; they wanted Mahomes. That being said, I think the Chiefs stand pat (pun intended) and hope Watson falls to later in the first. When he doesn't, they pick someone else. Fortunately, there were enough useful idiots for the Chiefs do play this perfectly. Huge props to Dorsey and the staff.

Pitt Gorilla · 08-03-2019, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Some NFL scouting departments believed that PMII was a raw prospect who benefitted from the Air Raid system that couldn't read defenses thus relying on his athletic gifts. thus he was rated as a 2nd to 3rd round prospect.

The articles I've read insinuated that Dorsey was on the fence drafting PMII as a 1st round pick in general.

How do those people still have jobs? Jesus.

JD10367 · 08-04-2019, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

How do those people still have jobs? Jesus.

Because it’s hard to compare college production to the pro level. Brady went in the 6th, Jamarcus Russell went #1. Tim Tebow. Johnny Manziel. Rick Mirer at #2 after Drew Bledsoe went #1. Ryan Leaf went #2 after Peyton Manning went #1. It’s hard to measure intangibles, position changes, muscle addition, etc,.

tredadda · 08-04-2019, 06:25 AM

Watson is the better QB between him and Mitch. He would have thrived under Reid with this offense, just not to the same extent that Mahomes has.

**New World Order** · 08-04-2019, 06:41 AM

"couldn't read defenses thus relying on his athletic gifts"

Gee, I would have never guessed. They only averaged 43 ppg.

Whatever

wheeler08 · 08-04-2019, 06:45 AM

Watson would have been Reid’s McNabb. Mahomes is Reid’s Brett Favre

wheeler08 · 08-04-2019, 06:48 AM

I don’t think anyone would be talking about Mahomes now if he had went to Buffalo. I don’t know if even he could save that franchise. I don’t know if I could name 3 players from that team. I could name some receivers that have been busts so far and that QB that tries to challenge Mahomes on social media and gets made fun of

Deberg_1990 · 08-04-2019, 07:38 AM

Why didn’t the Browns or Jags take a QB in the 1st that year??

Best22 · 08-04-2019, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by TLO

The Bills would have ruined Mahomes just like they ruin everything else.

**** Buffalo. And **** the Bills.

Impossible

He wouldn’t win MVP up there but he’d still have more success than an other Bills QB up there since 1999

Chris Meck · 08-04-2019, 08:09 AM

The big takeaway for me is that the pundits don't know ****-all. Most of the scouts are just guessing, and NFL GM's don't know shit either, really, when it comes to QB.

Mental processing is the most important factor, and there's no way to see that the way college football is played now.

I do think you can tell in a kid's make-up if he's a film rat. If he's not, you have no chance.

Mahomes' ungodly arm talent is an unteachable thing, and his overall athletic ability is high, but it's his brain that should be truly terrifying to the rest of the NFL.

The fact that Trubisky went first tells me nobody knows what the **** they're doing. Watson? He's got heart. His weak arm will be a problem. I don't see him being dominant. I see an Alex Smith type ceiling there. Despite the general consensus of the board, that's an above average NFL starter, but he's not winning multiple Super Bowls. Trubisky I still don't know what he'll be; supposedly he was the most NFL-ready, but that appears to not be the case.

penchief · 08-04-2019, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by wheeler08

I don’t think anyone would be talking about Mahomes now if he had went to Buffalo. I don’t know if even he could save that franchise. I don’t know if I could name 3 players from that team. I could name some receivers that have been busts so far and that QB that tries to challenge Mahomes on social media and gets made fun of

I've never bought that argument. His talent is transcendent. Once a team recognized what it had on it's hands, even the most inept organizations would have moved mountains to take full advantage. Obviously, some teams would be more successful than others but no matter where Mahomes landed, his talent and playmaking ability would still be rocking the league.

**RealSNR** · 08-04-2019, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Why didn’t the Browns or Jags take a QB in the 1st that year??

Because they're ****ing morons, that's why.

That's what's so great about the 2017 class. It was supposed to be a huge letdown. Some people thought it could be as bad as 2013. And it could end up being the best class since 2014 when all is said and done.

It currently blows 2018 out of the ****ing water, and that was TEH GREATEST QB CLASS EVAR

BryanBusby · 08-04-2019, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Best22

Impossible

He wouldn’t win MVP up there but he’d still have more success than an other Bills QB up there since 1999

With that line, coaching and weapons? No ****ing way.

KChiefs1 · 08-04-2019, 12:12 PM

The 9 players who were taken before Mahomes.

https://youtu.be/qbjsb4y9lTs
https://youtu.be/4PM37Emufy8

Hoover · 08-04-2019, 12:43 PM

The ONLY thing Mitch has going for him is Nagy IMO.

Perfect coach for their situation. Still - Chicago fans believe their only weakness is at K and TE, and thus bound for a SB, but I think they regress this season and will be at best a wild card team.

I think people are really sleeping on the Packers and the Lions are not awful in that division either. Their schedule isn't easy.

08-03-2019, 05:26 PM
Pitt Gorilla Banned! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: NOT Columbia, MO 65201 Casino cash: $-129806	2017 QB Draft The 2017 Draft turned out perfectly for us, clearly (Thank you Bengals et. al). The question is no longer who the best QB from that draft is; it's who is second-best between Watson and Trubisky, as evidenced by threads posing that question on each of their boards. So, here's my question: Why in God's name did the Bears trade up one spot to take Mitch? What could possibly be the rationale here? There were ZERO other teams dumb enough to trade up to the #2 spot for him, so why not take his inferior ass at #3, especially given the insane amount of draft capital they gave up. I don't get it.
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08-04-2019, 06:25 AM	#19
tredadda Three-Pat Join Date: May 2011 Location: Colorado Springs Casino cash: $-1984947	Watson is the better QB between him and Mitch. He would have thrived under Reid with this offense, just not to the same extent that Mahomes has.
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08-04-2019, 06:41 AM	#20
New World Order Choco Favre Join Date: Jul 2012 Casino cash: $-1235235	"couldn't read defenses thus relying on his athletic gifts" Gee, I would have never guessed. They only averaged 43 ppg. Whatever Last edited by New World Order; 08-04-2019 at 06:50 AM..
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08-04-2019, 06:45 AM	#21
wheeler08 Veteran Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Indiana Casino cash: $4151183	Watson would have been Reid’s McNabb. Mahomes is Reid’s Brett Favre
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08-04-2019, 06:48 AM	#22
wheeler08 Veteran Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Indiana Casino cash: $4151183	I don’t think anyone would be talking about Mahomes now if he had went to Buffalo. I don’t know if even he could save that franchise. I don’t know if I could name 3 players from that team. I could name some receivers that have been busts so far and that QB that tries to challenge Mahomes on social media and gets made fun of
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08-04-2019, 07:38 AM	#23
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $104454	Why didn’t the Browns or Jags take a QB in the 1st that year?? __________________ Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning: Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down. One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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08-04-2019, 08:09 AM	#25
Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $-1375090	The big takeaway for me is that the pundits don't know **-all. Most of the scouts are just guessing, and NFL GM's don't know shit either, really, when it comes to QB. Mental processing is the most important factor, and there's no way to see that the way college football is played now. I do think you can tell in a kid's make-up if he's a film rat. If he's not, you have no chance. Mahomes' ungodly arm talent is an unteachable thing, and his overall athletic ability is high, but it's his brain that should be truly terrifying to the rest of the NFL. The fact that Trubisky went first tells me nobody knows what the ** they're doing. Watson? He's got heart. His weak arm will be a problem. I don't see him being dominant. I see an Alex Smith type ceiling there. Despite the general consensus of the board, that's an above average NFL starter, but he's not winning multiple Super Bowls. Trubisky I still don't know what he'll be; supposedly he was the most NFL-ready, but that appears to not be the case.
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08-04-2019, 12:12 PM	#29
KChiefs1 I’m a Mahomo! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Mid-Missouri Casino cash: $6771021	2017 QB Draft The 9 players who were taken before Mahomes. https://youtu.be/qbjsb4y9lTs https://youtu.be/4PM37Emufy8 __________________ Last edited by KChiefs1; 08-04-2019 at 01:01 PM..
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08-04-2019, 12:43 PM	#30
Hoover Rufus Dawes Jr. Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $-2151821	The ONLY thing Mitch has going for him is Nagy IMO. Perfect coach for their situation. Still - Chicago fans believe their only weakness is at K and TE, and thus bound for a SB, but I think they regress this season and will be at best a wild card team. I think people are really sleeping on the Packers and the Lions are not awful in that division either. Their schedule isn't easy.
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