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Old 04-21-2020, 09:20 PM  
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LNBS: Did Reid force Dorsey out because he didn’t want to lose Veach
I was explaining to a buddy how Veach was the guy that found Mahomes, and it got me thinking.

Dorsey was fired after Ballard was hired by the Colts, and the timing was weird. I don’t doubt that Dorsey’s issues were part of the reason as well, but something tells me Reid was scared to lose a guy who he knew had a special eye for talent and found his QB.
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Old 04-21-2020, 10:26 PM   #16
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I think this was all Clark. He's a pretty smart guy, and I think looking at the cap situation that had emerged he didn't want to pay up for Dorsey. Not a total indictment of Dorsey, just Clark wasn't enthusiastic enough about Dorsey's overall performance to extend.

Dorsey will always have a special place in my heart for drafting Mahomes. People can give Veach credit all they want but Dorsey had to sign off on it, and it changed this franchise forever. That said, Clark's master stroke might have been to not care about any of that and do what he felt was best going forward.
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Old 04-21-2020, 10:29 PM   #17
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No. _It took 2 months to hire a new GM after Dorsey got fired. Veach was right there, ready and waiting. If this factored into even 20% of the decision to fire Dorsey, then why did Clark wait 2 months?

The timing of Dorsey's firing was directly after Eric Berry getting his panties in a bunch over his contract and Dorsey cutting Maclin abruptly. He clearly pissed off Clark. And based on the stories that came out of Cleveland, it's likely he pissed them off, too, even if they're just a bunch of simpletons.

Dorsey is an asshole who doesn't play nice with others. That's the best explanation for why he got fired.
2 months?

Dorsey was fired late June and Veach was hired early July. It was less than a month. There wasn’t much doubt he was going to be the GM during that time either.
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Old 04-21-2020, 10:30 PM   #18
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Old 04-21-2020, 10:36 PM   #19
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2 months?

Dorsey was fired late June and Veach was hired early July. It was less than a month. There wasn’t much doubt he was going to be the GM during that time either.
Yep. Dorsey was fired June 25th and Veach was hired July 10th.
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Yep. Dorsey was fired June 25th and Veach was hired July 10th.
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Old 04-21-2020, 10:40 PM   #21
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2 months? That’s not true.

Dorsey was fired late June and Veach was hired early July. There wasn’t much doubt he was going to be the GM during that time either.
My memory failed me. I thought he was fired in early May.

I remember several weeks passing since he was fired, though. It took less time for Clark to fire Crennel and hire Reid. Why the hell would we fire Dorsey to ensure we could keep Veach and then wait so long to hire the guy we really wanted?
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My memory failed me. I thought he was fired in early May.

I remember several weeks passing since he was fired, though. It took less time for Clark to fire Crennel and hire Reid. Why the hell would we fire Dorsey to ensure we could keep Veach and then wait so long to hire the guy we really wanted?
Dude, it was two weeks lol. Pretty standard.

All indications were Veach’s a going to be the guy and he was. I have no idea what you’re remembering here!
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Old 04-21-2020, 10:43 PM   #23
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Dorsey was ****ing terrible with the cap too. Hell we have basically the same squad as last year and are under the salary cap. He can get Jones and Mahomes extended somehow without losing critical pieces I’ll let Veach blow me as much as he wants
I think he'd expect that to be the other way around . . .
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Two weeks is especially fast because it was in the middle of the summer and there's was no hurry to hire someone.
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To the people saying it’s all because of Dorsey, why did they have to do it in June? There was no rush, the draft and everything was over. The odd timing is why I think it’s a combination of the two.

They don’t make that move in June without knowing they’re going to hire from within and keep it rolling. Not after they just drafted their franchise QB.
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Dude, it was two weeks lol. Pretty standard.

All indications were Veach’s a going to be the guy and he was. I have no idea what you’re remembering here!
Dorsey is a ****ing asshole. Don't you think that's a far bigger point?
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Dorsey is a ****ing asshole. Don't you think that's a far bigger point?
Bigger? Maybe. Far bigger? No.

It’s pretty obvious Veach is a great young GM. Why is it so hard to believe that Reid saw this coming and didn’t want to lose him?

You can believe both things at the same time, and I think they were probably both equally as important in making that decision when you’re talking about a team that was starting a journey with that young franchise QB. They might at least let Dorsey play out the year if they didn’t have Veach waiting in the wings. What was the rush?
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Bigger? Maybe. Far bigger? No.

It’s pretty obvious Veach is a great young GM. Why is it so hard to believe that Reid saw this coming and didn’t want to lose him?

You can believe both things at the same time, and I think they were probably both equally as important in making that decision when you’re talking about a team that was starting a journey with that young franchise QB. They might at least let Dorsey play out the year if they didn’t have Veach waiting in the wings. What was the rush?
Well, you can choose to believe him or not, but Clark said the timing was such that the new GM could be in place at the beginning of the college football season so that the following draft and offseason could work within the structure of the team without any kind of transition.
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